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It seems to me that you are trying to serve two masters. You are posting on a Catholic forum and say that you have aspirations to become Catholic and yet you defend what is clearly error. You cannot serve two Gods. It is either the God of Abraham or the “god” of Joseph Smith. One is not equal to the other.
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Dauphin
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You mean “gods” of Joseph Smith.
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dosdog
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“There’s a sucker born every minute”
P.T. Barnum
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dosdog
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To many Jews, “baptized” has a greater emotional reaction because to them — and me — to posthumously baptize a Jew is to rape his soul.
deseretnews.com/dn/print/1,14…037136,00.html
It appears obvious that one of the reasons a Mormon may wish to distance himself from the Journal is because it contains information with which he may personally disagree. I too am glad that discerning individuals recognize that the Journal contains some bizarre notions that should not be believed. However, Mormons who hold to this conclusion cannot escape the fact that they are also being intellectually dishonest if they extol such spokesmen as prophets and apostles of God while being fully aware that they taught things that are considered blatant heresy by their church today. Sadly, that is the double standard many Latter-day Saints choose to employ.
If LDS leaders really feel that the Journal is unreliable they need to quit quoting it and admit to their members that Mormon prophets are quite capable of leading the church astray. The fact that the church has yet to offer an official statement denouncing the Journal also tends to speak volumes.
mrm.org/topics/miscellane…-eternal-truth
Old Heresy never dies they just change thier name to LDS
- Called by its followers “the New Prophecy”, this movement is known to us as Montanism after its founder Montanus, a convert to Christianity. Around the year 170 he began to proclaim to his fellow believers that he was a prophet, that he was the very mouthpiece of that Spirit which the Lord had promised would “teach all things and guide into all truth” (John 14:26; 16:13).
2. Montanus and his companions represented a revival of the apocalyptic spirit and announced the forthcoming end of the world. The Lord was about to return, and the new Jerusalem would be set up in the vicinity of the town of Pepuza in Phrygia. As preparation for the end of all things they purified themselves and cut themselves loose from their attachments to society. The Phrygians, as they were frequently called, fasted longer and more elaborately than other Christians and discouraged marriage.
theologywebsite.com/history/montanus.shtml
Montanism- , apocalyptic movement of the 2d cent. It arose in Phrygia (c.172) under the leadership of a certain Montanus and two female prophets, Prisca and Maximillia, whose entranced utterances were deemed oracles of the Holy Spirit. They had an immediate expectation of Judgment Day, and they encouraged ecstatic prophesying and strict asceticism. They believed that a Christian fallen from grace could never be redeemed. Prisca claimed that Christ had appeared to her in female form. When she was excommunicated, she exclaimed “I am driven away like the wolf from the sheep. I am no wolf: I am word and spirit and power.”
The belief that the prophecies of the Montanists superseded the doctrines proclaimed by the Apostles
education.yahoo.com/reference…entry/Montanis
newadvent.org/cathen/10521a.htm
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READ MY BLOG
To many Jews, “baptized” has a greater emotional reaction because to them — and me — to posthumously baptize a Jew is to rape his soul.
deseretnews.com/dn/print/1,14…037136,00.html
It appears obvious that one of the reasons a Mormon may wish to distance himself from the Journal is because it contains information with which he may personally disagree. I too am glad that discerning individuals recognize that the Journal contains some bizarre notions that should not be believed. However, Mormons who hold to this conclusion cannot escape the fact that they are also being intellectually dishonest if they extol such spokesmen as prophets and apostles of God while being fully aware that they taught things that are considered blatant heresy by their church today. Sadly, that is the double standard many Latter-day Saints choose to employ.
If LDS leaders really feel that the Journal is unreliable they need to quit quoting it and admit to their members that Mormon prophets are quite capable of leading the church astray. The fact that the church has yet to offer an official statement denouncing the Journal also tends to speak volumes.
mrm.org/topics/miscellane…-eternal-truth
Old Heresy never dies they just change thier name to LDS
- Called by its followers “the New Prophecy”, this movement is known to us as Montanism after its founder Montanus, a convert to Christianity. Around the year 170 he began to proclaim to his fellow believers that he was a prophet, that he was the very mouthpiece of that Spirit which the Lord had promised would “teach all things and guide into all truth” (John 14:26; 16:13).
2. Montanus and his companions represented a revival of the apocalyptic spirit and announced the forthcoming end of the world. The Lord was about to return, and the new Jerusalem would be set up in the vicinity of the town of Pepuza in Phrygia. As preparation for the end of all things they purified themselves and cut themselves loose from their attachments to society. The Phrygians, as they were frequently called, fasted longer and more elaborately than other Christians and discouraged marriage.
theologywebsite.com/history/montanus.shtml
Montanism- , apocalyptic movement of the 2d cent. It arose in Phrygia (c.172) under the leadership of a certain Montanus and two female prophets, Prisca and Maximillia, whose entranced utterances were deemed oracles of the Holy Spirit. They had an immediate expectation of Judgment Day, and they encouraged ecstatic prophesying and strict asceticism. They believed that a Christian fallen from grace could never be redeemed. Prisca claimed that Christ had appeared to her in female form. When she was excommunicated, she exclaimed “I am driven away like the wolf from the sheep. I am no wolf: I am word and spirit and power.”
The belief that the prophecies of the Montanists superseded the doctrines proclaimed by the Apostles
education.yahoo.com/reference…entry/Montanis
newadvent.org/cathen/10521a.htm
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Correct me if I am wrong, but Is it not the Mormons who claim that Jesus and Satan are brothers and that people of color are cursed by God? Again correct me if I am wrong.
So why were they allowed in mass if this is true?
So why were they allowed in mass if this is true?
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I think it’s aboriginal people that are considered cursed by God.
Even the worst sinners can attend Mass. Even excommunicated people are compelled to attend Mass under Canon Law. Receiving communion is a different matter altogether, though…
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MMLJ
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So aboriginal are cursed by GOD? Wow. And what about the cultic belief that Jesus and Satan are brothers, is this in their belief?
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MMLJ
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So aboriginals are cursed by GOD? Wow. And what about the cultic belief that Jesus and Satan are brothers, is this in their belief?
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hosemonkey
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zerinus, you are all confused. Dosdog is NOT a member of the mormon organization, P.T. Barnum was, I think, refering to them.
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hosemonkey
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I think that you are mistaken, people who were not “white and delightsome” were cursed by God. This is why black people were denied “priesthood” until, not wanting to look too much like the Ku Klux Klan, the mormon “prophet” had a “revelation” and presto changeo!!! Blacks were “worthy” to be equal with whites. Isn’t that amazing? And this in spite of the fact that Brigham Young, Joe Smith’s successor, said that any white who married a black was to be instantly killed.
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“There’s a sucker born every minute”–P.T. Barnum
“This way to the Egress!” --P.T. Barnum
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hosemonkey
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Until 1981 2 Nephi 30:6 in the Book of Mormon taught that dark-skinned Lamanites would eventually experience a change in the color of their skin should they embrace the Book of Mormon. This passage of Mormon scripture read:
“…their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people.”
However, in 1981, the LDS Church decided to change “the most correct book on earth” and switched the word “white” with the word “pure.” Some Mormons insist that this was a clarification since the word was never meant to refer to a person with dark skin pigmentation who would magically turn white based upon a conversion to the Mormon gospel; rather, it is claimed that the change referred to a cleaner state of heart. This assumption is definitely not supported in the Book of Mormon since 2 Nephi 5:21 says,
“And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.”
Furthermore, we find another reference to a change in skin color in 3 Nephi 2:15. This passage reads:
“And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.”
Brigham Young gave this chilling warning:
“Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol 10, page 110)
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Aramis
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Likewise, St Augustine and the Epistles of Clement both get quoted by catholic theologians… but neither is in the Catholic canon.
Just because it is a teaching book doesn’t make it scripture.
(The epistles of Clement didn’t say anything Sts Peter and Paul hadn’t.)
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Delraek
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Just out of curiosity, what is the reason that Mormons are prohibited from drinking coffee or tea?
Also, do Mormons believe that Jesus is God? I understand that they don’t believe in the Trinity, right?
Also, do Mormons believe that Jesus is God? I understand that they don’t believe in the Trinity, right?
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dosdog
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Many of the ideas expounded on in the Journal, such as blood atonement, the Adam-God theory, plural marriage, and the exclusionary Negro doctrine
The Journal of Discourses (often abbreviated J.D.) is a 26-volume collection of public sermons by early leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The first editions of the Journal were published in England by George D. Watt, the stenographer of Brigham Young. Publication began in 1854, with the endorsement of the church’s First Presidency,[1] and ended in 1886. The Journal is one of the richest sources of early Mormon theology and thinking. It includes 1,438 sermons given by 55 church leaders, including most numerously Brigham Young, John Taylor, Orson Pratt, Heber C. Kimball, and George Q. Cannon.
journalofdiscourses.org/
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