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majick275
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no Catholic ever claimed Augustine or clement was a prophet receiving direct revelation from God to instruct the people with. The men in the JoD were (and still are) claimed by the LDS to be “oracles of the Lord”.
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zerinus
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That is a good comparison Aramis. The vast proportion of what is contained in the JoD is edifying inspirational. But they also contain some naterial that is not.
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zerinus
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It is due to a commandment received by revelation from the Lord, known among us as the Wrod of Wisdom, and published as Section 89 of the Doctrine and Covenants. You can read it here.
Yes, they do.
They don’t believe in the Trinity of traditional Christendom (the three in one and one in three idea); but they believe in the Trinity of the Bible, that is, three distinct and separate beings: the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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which is why their baptisms are not valid in the Catholic Church.
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hosemonkey
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Which makes mormons non-Christians. Full stop.
Do you deny zerinus, that mormon “prophets” are believed to receive “revelations”(instructions) directly from the Lord and that the faithful are bound to obey these “revelations”? If so, how do you explain all the changes promulgated by these so-called “prophets” over the years, many of which are directly contradictory?
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zerinus
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Which I suppose is also why Catholic baptisms are not valid in the LDS Church!
Remember, we did it first, before you did! 
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why_me
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And yet, Mormons are followers of Christ and in many respects much better followers of christ than most catholics. But I really do believe that Christ would not be disappointed with the lds lifestyle or how the lds follow him.
It makes me so ‘happy’ that there are catholics on this forum who can judge just who is christian and who isn’t christian. :bowdown2:
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hosemonkey
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I’m not “judging” anyone, mormons simply do not meet the criteria for being Christians. This has been discussed endlessly, the Catholic Church has examined the question and decided that mormon baptisms simply are inadequate.
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hosemonkey
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Nyah,Nyah,Nyah!Which I suppose is also why Catholic baptisms are not valid in the LDS Church!
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PaulDupre
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I think that you should research the writings and sayings of past popes and report them here. We will compare them to the sermons from JS, BY, John Taylor, George Q. Cannon and the other LDS prophets, seers and revelators.
Since you claim to be investigating Catholicism, I think it would be a fruitful exercise. It may provide some useful discussion here as well.
Go for it.
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twosweetgirls
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Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
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why_me
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Please understand that I have also read such sights and was at one time taken in by them. However, the more I searched contrary sources to the antimormon sight, I soon discovered that although the antimormon sights do a wonderful play on words, the other side, the promormon side do have answers.
I am not a professional mormon apologist but I have taken part in many apologetic discussion on the lds apologetic board to realize that most antimormon sites do blow hot air. Unfortunately, many mormons ar gullible and fall for such sights.
I am sure that it is no different for catholics who come across anticatholic sites.
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why_me
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Thank you. And as you must know since you have visited the mormon apologetic site, that I am procatholic on that forum. I must say that Pantsman on the mormon forum can get some negatives about the catholic faith, but no one can write anticatholic paragraphs and get away with it.
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why_me
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And yet, I have never claimed that catholics were not christian. In fact, I have made no such claims against any faith that claims to be christian. However, I would draw the line with certified cults that brainwash individuals centered around one strong leader.
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why_me
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I must say that in the country that I live in, a luthern country, we had the ‘pleasure’ of seeing some of the excesses of the catholic church from an historical perspective on TV. Bad popes and priests were a constant feature dug up from the very distant past.
Did I like the historical documentary? No. Too anticatholic for my taste. But what to expect from a luthern country’s media.
The Catholic Church does have skeletons in its closet. And that is completely natural since the church is run by human beings regardless of religious intent.
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why_me
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Much speculation was put forward about the mark of cain and their ancestors. This is where it all began. The speculation focused on Africans and the mark of cain.
Excommunicated mormons can also attend their service but they cannot partake of the sacrament or hold church positions. I think that I am correct on this.
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why_me
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If you think about it carefully, it would make sense. We are all brothers and sisters. How did satan become satan? The mormons have a pretty good answer to that question, with their war in heaven theory. Satan was cast out of heaven because of his selfishness. His followers followed him and lost their chance for physical bodies. Hence, their anger that we have physical bodies and they do much to destroy our bodies since we are told to keep our bodies holy as a temple of god.
And yes, satan and christ do seem to be brothers since god also created satan who was not satan but the son of the morning. Satan became satan at the time of his rebellion.
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why_me
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The point is: the mormon missionaries were at mass. You have a great opportunity to greet them and invite them to catholic activities, even your home. If you are strong in your faith, you have nothing to worry about. You can be just a good christian helping two young men or women have a meal and share in your catholic families atmosphere. I would call that being a good christian. Mormon missionaries are not similiar to JW’s. They are just young people fullfiling their mission responsibilities away from mom and dad.
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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who did what first?Which I suppose is also why Catholic baptisms are not valid in the LDS Church!
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(I was not being facetious. Unless there is agreement on the meaning of the Trinity, no other religion’s baptism would be valid regardless of the words or formula used.)
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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this is absolutely correct! JWs and Mormons are like night and day in beliefs and motivations. I frequently feed the Mormon missionaries, but I would not let a JW in my house. (I was a JW for 34 years and a Mormon for about 2 years.) (not to say I would not feed a starving JW—but there would be no fellowship. I pray they are converted.)
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