We had Mormons at Mass on Sunday!

[why_me]

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Gal. 1:8)

There is the problem with mormonism. Mormonism teaches a strange “gospel” with multiple “gods” and all sorts of wierdness that sprung from the fevered mind of Joseph Smith. There is no scriptural basis for mormonism and it is in error. So, if someone (mormonism) comes around selling snake oil, I’m going to tell it like it is. Doesn’t have anything to do whether mormons are good people or not, it has to do with the deception and false teaching of the mormon organization.

I understand. But at times we can get tied up in doctrine and overlook the human being. Mormons are generally decent and good people but imperfect as our catholics. To unite in goodness should be the objective and let doctrine take second fiddle.

 

[hosemonkey]

I understand. But at times we can get tied up in doctrine and overlook the human being. Mormons are generally decent and good people but imperfect as our catholics. To unite in goodness should be the objective and let doctrine take second fiddle.

Doctrine is first. If doctrine was not important, we all may as well be Unitarians, who believe in everything and in nothing. The martyrs did not give up their lives for a 'feel-good" religion. Mormonism preaches false doctrine, therefore it must be opposed.

 

[why_me]

Doctrine is first. If doctrine was not important, we all may as well be Unitarians, who believe in everything and in nothing. The martyrs did not give up their lives for a 'feel-good" religion. Mormonism preaches false doctrine, therefore it must be opposed.

And yet, this opposition must not come between people. This is my point. Mormonism is not a feel good religion. It is a religion that requires discipline and deep faith as does the catholic faith.

And this is another area where mormons and catholics can come together as they struggle to live righteous lives.

 

[why_me]

I notice that mormons seem to do a lot of dodging and redirecting. Is Jesus a created being or not, according to mormon theology? If He is considered created, mormonism is utterly unbiblical.

I see Jesus as a created being since he is a being. Now what do mormons say? I have no idea but I think that the lds church is agreement with this.

 

[hosemonkey]

And yet, this opposition must not come between people. This is my point. Mormonism is not a feel good religion. It is a religion that requires discipline and deep faith as does the catholic faith.

And this is another area where mormons and catholics can come together as they struggle to live righteous lives.

Mormans do not want to come together with those that they regard as “apostate.” Nor should they masquerade as something that they are not, namely, “Christian.” They simply do not meet the criteria. Why have all other mainstream Christian bodies rejected mormons as Christians? Because their doctrines do not square with the Bible. perhaps if mormonism would lose all the artificial doctrines put forth by Joseph Smith, acknowledge that the BOM is fantasy and get honest about their agenda, they would get more respect.

 

[hosemonkey]

I see Jesus as a created being since he is a being. Now what do mormons say? I have no idea but I think that the lds church is agreement with this.

You need to do much more study. That Jesus is a created being is Jehovah’s Witness and mormon heresy. Jesus is the second Person of the Holy Trinity ie" God. God did not create Himself, God IS. You need to get that straight, if you have any aspirations at all of being Catholic. This heresy is one of many that separates mormons and JWs from Christianity.

 

[Good_Daughter]

… Prophets are human, and are not immune from making mistakes, including silly ones. There are plenty of examples of it in the Bible…

When I need to be cautious, I can use the measuring stick for false prophets found in Deut 18:22 “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

OT phophets made mistakes but not when it came to prophecy. Personal shortcomings aren’t necessarily a factor when God chooses to bestow a gift, whether it is prophecy or infallibility. I don’t disregard people like Joseph Smith or Brigham Young as prophets simply because they made mistakes, even Popes are prone to that. As a bible-believer, I have no choice but to disregard those who put forth false prophecies (Joseph Smith, Watch Tower Society, etc.). I’ve never encountered a false Catholic prophet.

 

[why_me]

Mormans do not want to come together with those that they regard as "apostate.

This is not true. The lds church has never encouraged to shun those who have left the lds church. There are families where members have left and everything is fine. Of course, there is sadness but there is still love. I am sure that it would be the same with practicing catholics who have relatives and children who left the catholic faith.

Now if apostate is defined as someone who actively fights against the lds church, then I would say that it would be very difficult for all to come together in peace and love. Likewise for an apostate catholic and his or her family.

 

[Good_Daughter]

But I really do believe that Christ would not be disappointed with the lds lifestyle or how the lds follow him.

Except maybe the part where some unborn Mormon babies are (prayerfully) allowed to be aborted if they are considered unhealthy or conceived in less than ideal circumstances.

I’m not trying to be harsh, this teaching has always seemed so worldly and un-Mormon to me.

 

[why_me]

When I need to be cautious, I can use the measuring stick for false prophets found in Deut 18:22 “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

If you notice your verse you will see ‘the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him’ What does this mean? It means that the person is a prophet who just happened to speak presumptously. It just means that prophets are also human.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

We had a [post=2247296]bat in the chapel[/post] once, but never Mormons!

To prevent bats, keep the doors & windows closed after dark – Not sure how to keep out Mormons.

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I don’t want to know how to keep em out.

I want to get em in! Way in. Baptized in.

 

[why_me]

Except maybe the part where some unborn Mormon babies are (prayerfully) allowed to be aborted if they are considered unhealthy or conceived in less than ideal circumstances.

I’m not trying to be harsh, this teaching has always seemed so worldly and un-Mormon to me.

I can perhaps agree with you about this. Long ago, the lds were encouraged ‘to multiply and replenish the earth’. For some reason that has more or less changed with many lds couples. However, in Utah, the birthrate is still high. In the past, mormons had children out of love and also to allow other spirit children the opportunity to receive a physical body.

I think that I got it correct.

 

[why_me]

I don’t want to know how to keep em out.

I want to get em in! Way in. Baptized in.

Not all mormons are strong in the faith. Some become disillusioned. If they are searching for a different church, this would be a good time to introduce them to catholicism.

However, it is also much better to introduce someone to catholicism (Mormon or not) when they are strong emotionally and not during emotional weakness.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Let me make this clear to you. The lds church and the catholic church are not enemies when it comes to morality and what a moral and god-like life means. Both faiths can work together over moral issues. In fact, listening to EWTN I can see Mormon influence when they advise young people to dress modestly and abstain from excess alcohol consumption. I do believe that many catholics at EWTN do wish that catholic youth have the moral code that lds youth live by.

What makes you think that the Catholic Church has been influenced by the LDS in promoting modesty and moderation?

Incidentally, the LDS teaches temperence, not moderation - total abstinence from alcohol (among other things).

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Not all mormons are strong in the faith. Some become disillusioned. If they are searching for a different church, this would be a good time to introduce them to catholicism.

However, it is also much better to introduce someone to catholicism (Mormon or not) when they are strong emotionally and not during emotional weakness.

There is never a bad time to introduce someone to the Catholic Church.

 

[Aramis]

There is never a bad time to introduce someone to the Catholic Church.

Agreed. The best time is when one is looking at their faith, finding it lacking, and looking for truth they have not found in their current ecclesial community.

Now, any time anyone goes into another faith, there is a chance that it will move them, if only a little…

and in every little crack, the spirit may find purchase.

So, be kind to Mormons, but detest their false faith.

Know that they are a parachristian sect, not truly Christian as most understand the term, but trying to follow Christ in their own charming, and perhaps perverse, way.

 

[why_me]

Agreed. The best time is when one is looking at their faith, finding it lacking, and looking for truth they have not found in their current ecclesial community.

Now, any time anyone goes into another faith, there is a chance that it will move them, if only a little…

and in every little crack, the spirit may find purchase.

So, be kind to Mormons, but detest their false faith.

Know that they are a parachristian sect, not truly Christian as most understand the term, but trying to follow Christ in their own charming, and perhaps perverse, way.

And yet, if I were a antipapist protestant from the past centuries, I could use the same words against catholics. Amazing isn’t it?

 

[why_me]

What makes you think that the Catholic Church has been influenced by the LDS in promoting modesty and moderation?

Incidentally, the LDS teaches temperence, not moderation - total abstinence from alcohol (among other things).

Mainly because the catholic church has said practically nothing about modest dressing for quite awhile. I have seen quite a few loosely clad catholics in my time, especially among the youth.

The catholic church will not ban alcohol even though I am sure that the pope would not mind doing so. But moderation does seem to be quite in line with health requirements.

But I do believe that catholic leaders do envy the mormon stress on modesty and no premarital sex and in keeping their bodies holy as a temple of the lord. Do all mormons follow it? No. But it is taught quite well in mormon youth programs.

 

[Rbt_Southwell]

But I do believe that catholic leaders do envy the mormon stress on modesty and no premarital sex and in keeping their bodies holy as a temple of the lord. Do all mormons follow it? No. But it is taught quite well in mormon youth programs.

whyme:

Forgive this statement but I believe you are gravely mistaken about mormon young people not engaging in premarital sex.

Every mormon couple I knew from High School (all 7 of them) were married very young and had their first child within 5 to 6 months. If you want names and where this occurred, I would be glad to PM you with the information.

They are still married (except for Janet Green and her orthodontist husband).

I guess it’s a medical fact that the first child can arrive at anytime, it’s all the others that take nine months.

Robert

 

[PaulDupre]

And who created Christ? He must have been created also. If Christ is Father then, Lucifer is the son of Christ. But if god created both christ and lucifer, they are brothers.

Where have I missed something?

You certainly are confused! Jesus is God, and God is uncreated.

It is God’s nature to exist as a family of 3 persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. These 3 are God, co-existent, co-eternal and co-equal. It is eternally so.

Lucifer was created as an angel, as all the angels were created. They, like all of creation, were created by Christ.

In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and He was God. He was in the beginning with God. He created everything there is. Nothing exists that He didn’t make. (John 1:1-3)

Everything that is not God is a creation. Angels, you, me everything that is not God are creatures. The bible says it. If you believe that Christ is a creature, then you are not a Christian. You seem like a very decent person, but sadly you are not a Christian.

Sorry,
Paul