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I think the same way as I do.
But creating divisions among ourselves will not help the RCC in any way. You and I know our conviction and faithfulness to the Magisterium and the Holy See. **There is no need to brag about it. Because, I do believe, when you are differentiating if I am more or less Catholic than you, you are abandoning any type of humbleness. **
That’s why I insist.
We know what we are. We could later face St. Peter at the gates of Heaven without any problem, knowing we did the best we could when we had to. Let’s focus on ourselves.
The people you call “cafeteria” Catholics would later have to face for themselves St. Peter. So why should we worry?
God bless.
I was not ‘bragging’ about how I practice my Catholic faith. Nor did I say anything specific about ‘cafeteria Catholics’. Be careful how you read and interpret other people’s posts, or don’t add your own commentary.
 
What’s your sample size on your own “hardline” assertion above? Nonsense.
I took it as anecdotal, not hard-line, a term he used to mean strict in reference to Opus Dei values, I believe. . Are you Opus Dei? That is a “group” I have been interested in for some time, but there is scant information on its activities in my locale, which is Fairfax, VA.
 
I took it as anecdotal, not hard-line, a term he used to mean strict in reference to Opus Dei values, I believe. . Are you Opus Dei? That is a “group” I have been interested in for some time, but there is scant information on its activities in my locale, which is Fairfax, VA.
Well, when I see such statements I like to reach out and feel for the data. We’ll wait for hard evidence. Often people wrongly classify people in Opus Dei as narrow, goose-stepping, authoritarians. And the truth is completely different.

Yes, I am in Opus Dei, and one of the beautiful points of its teaching is on “freedom” (vs “hardline”). I know a fair number of Catholic families, some with members of the Work in it, and many not. The statement above doesn’t square at all with my own, albeit, imperfect sampling.

To give you a better sense what I mean you might want to scan (or thoroughly read!) a marvelously written article that captures the spirit of family life, one that is strongly consistent with the spirit of Opus Dei. It was written by a priest of Opus Dei.

It’s called “Bright and Cheerful Homes”. It’s free and downloadable here:

scepterpublishers.org/product/samples/5797.pdf

I can’t tell you how many people unaffiliated with the Work (Catholics, Christian, others) I have given this article to; and everyone seems to come back and say “Yes…this is PRECISELY the Christian home!”.

Lastly, you’re not too far from various Opus Dei activities in the Va and DC area. Look up the Reston Study Center.

“Tampa Dave” (above) is contact with the Work in that area. PM me if you have any questions.
 
Well, when I see such statements I like to reach out and feel for the data. We’ll wait for hard evidence. Often people wrongly classify people in Opus Dei as narrow, goose-stepping, authoritarians. And the truth is completely different.

Yes, I am in Opus Dei, and one of the beautiful points of its teaching is on “freedom” (vs “hardline”). I know a fair number of Catholic families, some with members of the Work in it, and many not. The statement above doesn’t square at all with my own, albeit, imperfect sampling.

To give you a better sense what I mean you might want to scan (or thoroughly read!) a marvelously written article that captures the spirit of family life, one that is strongly consistent with the spirit of Opus Dei. It was written by a priest of Opus Dei.

It’s called “Bright and Cheerful Homes”. It’s free and downloadable here:

scepterpublishers.org/product/samples/5797.pdf

I can’t tell you how many people unaffiliated with the Work (Catholics, Christian, others) I have given this article to; and everyone seems to come back and say “Yes…this is PRECISELY the Christian home!”.

Lastly, you’re not too far from various Opus Dei activities in the Va and DC area. Look up the Reston Study Center.

“Tampa Dave” (above) is contact with the Work in that area. PM me if you have any questions.
Your link was an interesting read. It seemed to be a mixture of common sense and idealism, a kind of Ann Landers for Catholics. I was put off by the section that claimed if you are this way your children will turn out such and such a way, which is untrue, Two kids in the same family will more often than not turn out differently no matter how their parents are-- I see it all the time. But to put a good construction on it, maybe the author was just trying to emphasize that the faults of parents greatly affect their children. That goes without saying.

Also, it was narrow in its scope. For example, I am married to a Jewish woman, and my wife would not be modeling the Holy Family, but she might, if so disposed and if so knowledgeable, model the best of Jewish tradition as I’m sure Mary and Joseph most have done.

The one inspiration I did come away with was that if we manifest the love of God in how we carry out our roles as parents, how we interrelate with each other and with our children, there is a good chance out children will respond in kind and be molded by that love. This can only happen to perfection when both parents are deeply steeped in spiritual life of the Church, and not in any strictly external way, but in their inmost hearts and souls. Then all the admonitions of the article are satisfied naturally by the transforming power of the Spirit in all their relationships; then they can throw away the Manual, because they have the Author directing them. I never was one for the do-this-and-don’t-do-that approach. Change the heart and correct actions follow suit, maybe not effortlessly, but most surely. Trying to do it right when it isn’t right in one’s heart will never work-- it might look good, but it is false.

Was this an Opus Dei article? I wouldn’t know it from any other.

What is “The Work?” This is a new term for me. I have no idea what you mean.

The only things I know about Opus Dei is that (1) a young priest I once knew and respected was a member, (2) it is a conservative Catholic organization or movement, (3) it was grossly mis-characterized by Dan Brown, and (4) it is established around the idea that we should live our Christian walk in whatever situation, job and circumstances we find ourselves in-- at least, that’s the gist of what I’ve heard. What it is beyond that, I have no idea.

PS-- the ideas about OD expressed in the other post may be peculiar to his country or city or limited exposure. You have a chance here to clarify if you wish, but maybe in a different thread. I intend to search for a thread regarding OD after I leave this post. Thanks for the information. Peace.
 
Your link was an interesting read. It seemed to be a mixture of common sense and idealism, a kind of Ann Landers for Catholics. I was put off by the section that claimed if you are this way your children will turn out such and such a way, which is untrue, Two kids in the same family will more often than not turn out differently no matter how their parents are-- I see it all the time. But to put a good construction on it, maybe the author was just trying to emphasize that the faults of parents greatly affect their children. That goes without saying.

Also, it was narrow in its scope. For example, I am married to a Jewish woman, and my wife would not be modeling the Holy Family, but she might, if so disposed and if so knowledgeable, model the best of Jewish tradition as I’m sure Mary and Joseph most have done.

The one inspiration I did come away with was that if we manifest the love of God in how we carry out our roles as parents, how we interrelate with each other and with our children, there is a good chance out children will respond in kind and be molded by that love. This can only happen to perfection when both parents are deeply steeped in spiritual life of the Church, and not in any strictly external way, but in their inmost hearts and souls. Then all the admonitions of the article are satisfied naturally by the transforming power of the Spirit in all their relationships; then they can throw away the Manual, because they have the Author directing them. I never was one for the do-this-and-don’t-do-that approach. Change the heart and correct actions follow suit, maybe not effortlessly, but most surely. Trying to do it right when it isn’t right in one’s heart will never work-- it might look good, but it is false.

Was this an Opus Dei article? I wouldn’t know it from any other.

What is “The Work?” This is a new term for me. I have no idea what you mean.

The only things I know about Opus Dei is that (1) a young priest I once knew and respected was a member, (2) it is a conservative Catholic organization or movement, (3) it was grossly mis-characterized by Dan Brown, and (4) it is established around the idea that we should live our Christian walk in whatever situation, job and circumstances we find ourselves in-- at least, that’s the gist of what I’ve heard. What it is beyond that, I have no idea.

PS-- the ideas about OD expressed in the other post may be peculiar to his country or city or limited exposure. You have a chance here to clarify if you wish, but maybe in a different thread. I intend to search for a thread regarding OD after I leave this post. Thanks for the information. Peace.
"was put off by the section that claimed if you are this way your children will turn out such and such a way, which is untrue, "

Well I don’t think Father is claiming a strict A => B relationship. He’s saying the best in your family and your kids will mostly result if you live as enormously generous parents. That’s not Ann Landers by the way. That’s Jesus’s message. Landers had too much “reciprocity” in her script. Parental and marital love is not about reciprocity; it’s about total self donation and abandonment.

If you’re married to a Jewish woman…you’re already closer to the starting point of the Holy Family than I was! Mary was Jewish.

“The one inspiration I did come away with was that if we manifest the love of God in how we carry out our roles as parents, how we interrelate with each other and with our children, there is a good chance out children will respond in kind and be molded by that love…”

All well said. Yes.

It was just an article written by an Opus Dei priest, but it does express sort of the positive, stretchy, generosity that is often encouraged in Opus Dei (also known as the Work). “Smiling asceticism”.

I think your other points, too, are good characterizations. Misunderstood. St Josemaria once said that we get “kicked around like a bag of seeds”. Those seeds though have a way of finding good ground.
 
"was put off by the section that claimed if you are this way your children will turn out such and such a way, which is untrue, "

Well I don’t think Father is claiming a strict A => B relationship. He’s saying the best in your family and your kids will mostly result if you live as enormously generous parents. That’s not Ann Landers by the way. That’s Jesus’s message. Landers had too much “reciprocity” in her script. Parental and marital love is not about reciprocity; it’s about total self donation and abandonment.

If you’re married to a Jewish woman…you’re already closer to the starting point of the Holy Family than I was! Mary was Jewish.

“The one inspiration I did come away with was that if we manifest the love of God in how we carry out our roles as parents, how we interrelate with each other and with our children, there is a good chance out children will respond in kind and be molded by that love…”

All well said. Yes.

It was just an article written by an Opus Dei priest, but it does express sort of the positive, stretchy, generosity that is often encouraged in Opus Dei (also known as the Work). “Smiling asceticism”.

I think your other points, too, are good characterizations. Misunderstood. St Josemaria once said that we get “kicked around like a bag of seeds”. Those seeds though have a way of finding good ground.
Smiling asceticism. Says volumes.

Also, I like the bag of seeds metaphor. 🙂

In my browsing tonight I learned that Padre Pio had a habit of saying 35 or more 15-decade rosaries a day besides his regular duties. Ponder that for a while.
 
I missed your previous post I guess. I can see how you could get the meaning that I was saying everyone spoke Italian, but I, and my friend I think, only meant that it was the second most spoken language in Argentina. In North America, I would say that Spanish is the second most spoken language in the US, and perhaps French is the second most spoken language in Canada. Is Italian, as my friend thought, the second most spoken language in Argentina?
It looks like you’re right on that, according to Wiki.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Argentina
Argentina has more than 1,500,000 Italian speakers; this tongue is the second most spoken language in the nation. Italian immigration from the beginning of the 20th century made a lasting and significant impact on the pronunciation and vernacular of the nation’s spoken Spanish, giving it an Italian flair. In fact, Italian has contributed so much to Rioplatense that many foreigners mistake it for Italian.
Added note from me: Italian has made the similar impact on Church Latin pronunciations as well, mostly pushed by Pius X.
 
It looks like you’re right on that, according to Wiki.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Argentina

Added note from me: Italian has made the similar impact on Church Latin pronunciations as well, mostly pushed by Pius X.
Our choir director has this big thing about Latin pronunciations. I remember in High School being taught pronunciations different from what I am now learning for singing purposes. Also, there has been mention of an Anglicized version of Latin, sometimes comically referred to as trash Latin. For a dead language, it sure seems quite alive and brimming with changes. As I recall in High School there was a preference for the Italian over the Germanic pronunciation, if memory serves. There were also little spelling differences such as whether to use a J as in Jesu, or an I, Iesu. Now, for the first time I am pronouncing mihi (learned, meehee) as meekee for singing purposes anyway. The big taboo in singing in Latin is to never, never pronounce i as in the word in the same as the i in the English word begin-- alway een as in the English words, spleen or marine. Dead, indeed not! --at least, not the way it’s spoken.
 
I took it as anecdotal, not hard-line, a term he used to mean strict in reference to Opus Dei values, I believe. . Are you Opus Dei? That is a “group” I have been interested in for some time, but there is scant information on its activities in my locale, which is Fairfax, VA.
It was anecdotal. As far for the Italian thing, I am yet to confirm you that.
 
Several close friends and acquaintances. Opus Dei has a strong force here in Argentina and also in Chile.
I’m not lying, just making a remark. I’m not generalizing.
Your original point was on hardline parents, and your response here is, well, not substantiating on that point.
 
Are Jesuits not permitted to join Opus Dei?
Opus Dei is a vocation, as is the life of a religious priest. So from a strict membership point of view pursuing both would be incompatible from a vocational perspective.

Now, there are diocesean priests who have joined what is called the Priestly Society of the Holy Cross which is part of Opus Dei. They received their priestly formation elsewhere, but have come to want additional formation for their own struggle toward holiness from Opus Dei. This association enables them to receive formation, spiritual direction, to help with retreats, hear Confessions related to the activities of Opus Dei.

Now this doesn’t mean that a religious can’t benefit from the formation or activities of Opus Dei; it just means they can’t have split/dual vocations.
 
I’m confused between this:
Opus Dei is a vocation, as is the life of a religious priest. So from a strict membership point of view pursuing both would be incompatible from a vocational perspective.
and this:
Now this doesn’t mean that a religious can’t benefit from the formation or activities of Opus Dei; it just means they can’t have split/dual vocations.
Can a Jesuit priest be a member of Opus Dei or can’t he? In other words, can he have some kind of associate membership of Opus Dei that doesn’t conflict with his being a priest of the Jesuit Order?
 
I’m confused between this:

and this:

Can a Jesuit priest be a member of Opus Dei or can’t he? In other words, can he have some kind of associate membership of Opus Dei that doesn’t conflict with his being a priest of the Jesuit Order?
Sorry. No he can’t. He can attend activities, receive help, direction, but not membership. A priest of Opus Dei answers to the Prelate of Opus Dei. A Jesuit has his own superior.
 
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