We have a POPE!!!!

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JamesCaruso said:
I see no change in the Church with the new Pope. He is merely opening our eyes to what was already there to begin with. The Church has always stood for the virtue of humility. The previous Pope was a humble man as was his predecessor. Pope Francis is making more demonstrable what others possessed more quietly. He is now bringing attention to what has always been the Church’s great concern, the poor and disadvantaged. He is now speaking the very same words of truth with a more pleasing dialect, if you will. The message is the same; the messenger is reaching more people by the method of his delivery. We should all thank God for this new revelation of our Catholic faith, if we missed it before. And do not forget that each of us is also a unique expression of our Catholic faith, so we should take Pope Francis’ example, and be ourselves, so that others can see that there is nothing carbon copy about the expression of our faith. Glory to God!
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I think you are absolutely correct. I feel like I am back in the church I grew up in. My faith has never change, but I was starting to encounter people, who was presenting their faith in sure a judgment way, saying in was our duty to point out others sins, something I feel uncomfortable with as I too am a sinner. It seems Pope Francis wants to focus more on positive things we can offer one another and accept that we all have something to share with the world. That bring me hope. Again, I think you are right, this what the church has always been about. God house should always be welcoming and forgiving.
 
Maybe it’s because I’m a convert, but just do not understand peoples emphasis on nationality, or if the pope chooses to ride in the popemobile. To me religion is about theology. What happens when the next pope is elected and he yet another Italian? Is that a sign too? Are people going to stop going to church then, hey he isn’t from their country so what God has turned their backs on people of that nationality? Does Christ think there is something wrong with the popemobile? This is just superficial silliness. I can only hope that people that are returning to church as a result of these “signs” will be hearing sound theology from their priests and that they grow in true faith instead of focusing on non signs and non theological issues.
 
shelby_sun said:
I think you are absolutely correct. I feel like I am back in the church I grew up in. My faith has never change, but I was starting to encounter people, who was presenting their faith in sure a judgment way, saying in was our duty to point out others sins, something I feel uncomfortable with as I too am a sinner. It seems Pope Francis wants to focus more on positive things we can offer one another and accept that we all have something to share with the world. That bring me hope. Again, I think you are right, this what the church has always been about. God house should always be welcoming and forgiving.
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You can’t ask for forgiveness if you don’t know it’s a sin and you can’t learn it’s a sin if others are ignoring the sin with silence.

From the CCC

1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
  • by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
  • by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
  • by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
  • by protecting evil-doers.
1869 Thus sin makes men accomplices of one another and causes concupiscence, violence, and injustice to reign among them. Sins give rise to social situations and institutions that are contrary to the divine goodness. “Structures of sin” are the expression and effect of personal sins. They lead their victims to do evil in their turn. In an analogous sense, they constitute a "social sin."144
 
shelby_sun said:
Can please ask what you mean? I have really only known the Jesuits so I am extremely happy That Pope Francis is our new Pope. I was having a great struggle with where the Catholic church was going and how some were presenting their faith to others. I too have new hope for the church under Pope Francis.
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The years since Vatican II have been filled with confusion and really odd junk “in the name of Vatican II”.

I have great hope that Papa Francesco will build on the proper understanding of Vatican II begun by JPII the Great and Pope Benedict XVI 🙂
 
Cider said:
Maybe it’s because I’m a convert, but just do not understand peoples emphasis on nationality, or if the pope chooses to ride in the popemobile. To me religion is about theology. What happens when the next pope is elected and he yet another Italian? Is that a sign too? Are people going to stop going to church then, hey he isn’t from their country so what God has turned their backs on people of that nationality? Does Christ think there is something wrong with the popemobile? This is just superficial silliness. I can only hope that people that are returning to church as a result of these “signs” will be hearing sound theology from their priests and that they grow in true faith instead of focusing on non signs and non theological issues.
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I’m what you call a cradle Catholic and the pope’s nationality makes no difference to me. St. Peter wasn’t from my neck of the woods and neither were any of his successors. This hullabaloo about the Pope’s nationality started with the election of JP2. Until then, we more or less accepted that the Pope would be Italian. The media love to hype a story and they wouldn’t do it if it didn’t sell advertising. Most of the journalists hyping the story know as much about Catholicism as I know about quantum physics.
 
I can’t blame the media for the emphasis on nationality and other things, when there are quotes from actual Catholics that are saying these are the reasons they are coming back to the Church.
 
Yes, coming back to the Church until they realise that this pope is just as Catholic as his predecessors. They’ll be the ones leaving the Church in the future because they are “so disappointed” and “feel so let down” by the Pope when he hasn’t sold the vatican and all its contents and passed the proceeds over to their local school.
 
Mariem2 said:
I’m what you call a cradle Catholic and the pope’s nationality makes no difference to me. St. Peter wasn’t from my neck of the woods and neither were any of his successors. This hullabaloo about the Pope’s nationality started with the election of JP2. Until then, we more or less accepted that the Pope would be Italian. The media love to hype a story and they wouldn’t do it if it didn’t sell advertising. Most of the journalists hyping the story know as much about Catholicism as I know about quantum physics.
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You are so very right. In reality, the Pope’s nationality is of no consequence. In terms of perception, however, many people may be lured to the Church via conversion or reversion simply because he is Latin American. I’m fine with that. Others are attracted by his personality, actions, and reputation. That is okay too. Whatever puts bodies in Church pews is fine by me!
 
Not that I think it matters, theologically, but I’m glad he’s not Itallian. Because I hate Itallians. (Just joking! Put down those stones!). I see the pope’s South American home as being a symbol of the universalism of the Church. As others have pointed out here (and I confess that I haven’t read all 57 pages of comments) that his tone or mode of expression is different, and some of that may be because he needed to talk to people in a different cultural background.

As the scriptures can be said to be truly written by the Holy Spirit and the Sacred Authors, so too the words of the pope are both the words of the Church and the words of the man.

And who knows – maybe the people who are lured back because this pope sounds different, will stay because they find Jesus in the Church when they get there.

Tom A.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
You are so very right. In reality, the Pope’s nationality is of no consequence. In terms of perception, however, many people may be lured to the Church via conversion or reversion simply because he is Latin American. I’m fine with that. Others are attracted by his personality, actions, and reputation. That is okay too. Whatever puts bodies in Church pews is fine by me!
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Well, I wholeheartedly agree with you, but I’d prefer hearts in pews, but I’ll settle for bodies, too, which will at least give the Holy Spirit more opportunities to work on them. That’s why I insert my own body in the pew; maybe God can do something with me in spite of myself. :sleep::o
 
meteoric said:
Not that I think it matters, theologically, but I’m glad he’s not Itallian. Because I hate Itallians. (Just joking! Put down those stones!). \

Tom A.
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Not too funny, TBH. 😦

His father and mother were both Italian. They didn’t cease being Italian when they left and I am sure that their home was an “Italian” one. I know mine is, and I am in similar circumstances. Just sayin…😉
 
JamesCaruso said:
I see no change in the Church with the new Pope. He is merely opening our eyes to what was already there to begin with. The Church has always stood for the virtue of humility. The previous Pope was a humble man as was his predecessor. Pope Francis is making more demonstrable what others possessed more quietly. He is now bringing attention to what has always been the Church’s great concern, the poor and disadvantaged. He is now speaking the very same words of truth with a more pleasing dialect, if you will. The message is the same; the messenger is reaching more people by the method of his delivery. We should all thank God for this new revelation of our Catholic faith, if we missed it before. And do not forget that each of us is also a unique expression of our Catholic faith, so we should take Pope Francis’ example, and be ourselves, so that others can see that there is nothing carbon copy about the expression of our faith. Glory to God!
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Exactly!
 
meteoric said:
Not that I think it matters, theologically, but I’m glad he’s not Itallian. Because I hate Itallians. (Just joking! Put down those stones!). I see the pope’s South American home as being a symbol of the universalism of the Church. As others have pointed out here (and I confess that I haven’t read all 57 pages of comments) that his tone or mode of expression is different, and some of that may be because he needed to talk to people in a different cultural background.

As the scriptures can be said to be truly written by the Holy Spirit and the Sacred Authors, so too the words of the pope are both the words of the Church and the words of the man.

And who knows – maybe the people who are lured back because this pope sounds different, will stay because they find Jesus in the Church when they get there.

Tom A.
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We would never stone you. We might measure you for cement shoes, however. :hmmm:
 
Pope appoints Group of Eight Cardinals to advise on Curia reform

(Vatican Radio) Pope Francis has appointed a Group of Eight cardinals to advise him in the governance of the Universal Church. In a communique issued Saturday the Secretariat of State announced that the Holy Father decided to set up the Council following on from discussions that emerged during the General Congregations in the lead up to the Conclave which elected him the 265th Successor to St Peter.

The group of Cardinals will be coordinated by Card. Oscar Andrés Maradiaga Rodríguez and is drawn from across the Universal Church. It will also help Pope Francis revise the Apostolic Consitution on the Roman Curia Pastor bonus.

The group is composed of :
Card. Giuseppe Bertello, President of the (name removed by moderator)ate of Vatican City State;
Card. Francisco Javier Errazuriz Ossa, Archbishop emeritus of Santiago del Cile (Chile);
Card. Oswald Gracias, Archbishop of Bombay (India);
Card. Reinhard Marx, Archbishop of München und Freising (Germany);
Card. Laurent Monswengo Pasinya, Archbishop of Kinshasa (Democratic Republic of Congo);
Card. Sean Patrick O’Malley. O.F.M. Cap., Archbishop of Boston (U.S.A.);
Card. George Pell, Archbishop of Sydney (Australia);
Card. Oscar Andrés Maradiaga Rodríguez S.D.B., Archbishop of Tegucigalpa (Honduras);
Mons. Marcello Semeraro, Bishop of Albano, Council secretary.

The first meeting of the Council will take place October 1-3, 2013. Pope Francis however is already in contact with all of the above mentioned Cardinals.

Briefing press Saturday the Holy See Press Office Director, Fr. Federico Lombardi, noted that the communiqué comes exactly one month since Pope’ Francis election to the Pontificate and shows that the Holy Father “listens attentively” to the suggestions of the College of Cardinals – his closest collaborators.

He also noted that the Group will have no legislative power and that its main function is to “help” and “advise” the Pope. Fr. Lombardi added that the Group will not in any way interfere in the normal functions of the Roman Curia, which helps the Pope in the daily governance of the Church.
 
kelvinf said:
Pope appoints Group of Eight Cardinals to advise on Curia reform

(Vatican Radio) Pope Francis has appointed a Group of Eight cardinals to advise him in the governance of the Universal Church. In a communique issued Saturday the Secretariat of State announced that the Holy Father decided to set up the Council following on from discussions that emerged during the General Congregations in the lead up to the Conclave which elected him the 265th Successor to St Peter.

The group of Cardinals will be coordinated by Card. Oscar Andrés Maradiaga Rodríguez and is drawn from across the Universal Church. It will also help Pope Francis revise the Apostolic Consitution on the Roman Curia Pastor bonus.

The group is composed of :
Card. Giuseppe Bertello, President of the (name removed by moderator)ate of Vatican City State;
Card. Francisco Javier Errazuriz Ossa, Archbishop emeritus of Santiago del Cile (Chile);
Card. Oswald Gracias, Archbishop of Bombay (India);
Card. Reinhard Marx, Archbishop of München und Freising (Germany);
Card. Laurent Monswengo Pasinya, Archbishop of Kinshasa (Democratic Republic of Congo);
Card. Sean Patrick O’Malley. O.F.M. Cap., Archbishop of Boston (U.S.A.);
Card. George Pell, Archbishop of Sydney (Australia);
Card. Oscar Andrés Maradiaga Rodríguez S.D.B., Archbishop of Tegucigalpa (Honduras);
Mons. Marcello Semeraro, Bishop of Albano, Council secretary.

The first meeting of the Council will take place October 1-3, 2013. Pope Francis however is already in contact with all of the above mentioned Cardinals.

Briefing press Saturday the Holy See Press Office Director, Fr. Federico Lombardi, noted that the communiqué comes exactly one month since Pope’ Francis election to the Pontificate and shows that the Holy Father “listens attentively” to the suggestions of the College of Cardinals – his closest collaborators.

He also noted that the Group will have no legislative power and that its main function is to “help” and “advise” the Pope. Fr. Lombardi added that the Group will not in any way interfere in the normal functions of the Roman Curia, which helps the Pope in the daily governance of the Church.
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Interesting. Looks like Pope Francis is rolling up his sleeves and getting right to work. I had to look up the Pastor Bonus. Appears it’s greater involvement by priests and bishops in roles formerly held only by cardinals and was an initiative of Pope John Paul II back in 1988.
 
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