"We must do everything possible"-'No more war'

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@Divine3 I talking about your posting style, you keep shifting the goal posts, likely to debate to where you think you can score some points, abandoning your last point when it is refuted.

I see no value in engaging such posting, it’s not sincere.
 
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At this point not following the criticism and most likely need to go back to the original post of not my words but St. John Paul. My opinions are not vital but St. John Paul’s are vital for peace.
http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/angelus/2003/documents/hf_jp-ii_ang_20030316.html
The next few days will be decisive for the outcome of the Iraqi crisis. Let us pray, then, that the Lord inspire in all sides of the dispute courage and farsightedness.

The political leaders of Baghdad certainly have the urgent duty to collaborate fully with the international community to eliminate every reason for armed intervention. To them I direct my urgent appeal: the fate of your fellow-citizens should always have priority.

But I would also like to remind the member countries of the United Nations , and especially those who make up the Security Council, that the use of force represents the last recourse, after having exhausted every other peaceful solution, in keeping with the well-known principles of the UN Charter.

That is why, in the face of the tremendous consequences that an international military operation would have for the population of Iraq and for the balance of the Middle East region, already sorely tried, and for the extremisms that could stem from it, I say to all: There is still time to negotiate; there is still room for peace, it is never too late to come to an understanding and to continue discussions.

To reflect on one’s duties, to engage in energetic negotiations does not mean to be humiliated, but to work with responsibility for peace.
Etc. again as we all see this was written in 2003…and what have we learned?
@Theo520 the suggestion I am making, which might differ from yours, is we never understood the middle east ,its culture and we still don’t.
 
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“No more war” - was brought before the UN by Pope Paul VI… decades ago…

And has or does any nation ever fall in line with any pope?

While No More War - is most understandable that folks would want -
it is unavoidable - for reason of Scriptural Prophecy via Jesus
as well as Tradition and Catholic Church Teaching…
declare that (paraphrased) war shall progressively get worse,
before the Return of Jesus…

As we speak… Nations continue to stand stronger and stronger against Nations.

No defining or Re-Defining of, e.,g Just War Doctrine
shall have any impact upon current and future war-faring

For… Scriptures must be fulfilled.

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Well, let’s not stop there. Obama had the CIA doing his dirty work: the first drone strike was in Waziristan, Pakistan (actually two strikes), killing as many as 20 civilians; that was 3 days after being sworn in as President. 540 drone strikes later, he left the Presidency, having carried out non-war zone strikes in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia. And these were done with zero pressure from the legislature, who with few exceptions were the biggest cheerleaders of the strikes. Yes, there may have been a few critics of the takeout of Osama. And I would invite you to come up with some method of dealing with those planners of asymmetrical warfare, done with the knowledge and permission, and often direct assistance of nation states who wish to bring death and destruction to those they perceive as their enemies.
 
Well, let’s not stop there.
Who said we were stopping? Bush, Obama, and Trump’s drone war is a series of thousands of war crimes and all three deserve to spend the rest of their lives imprisoned in The Hague.
 
Having served in the military, I know there are few people who are against war more than those I served with, for a very simple reason: we know that it is our lives, individually and collectively who are the first in line to be killed.

I would love to have a world of peace; and I am enough of a realist to know that will not happen until the Second Coming. “War” may not have started with Cain and Abel, but killing did, and there has been and continues to be evil in the world. Christ conquered evil, but He did not eliminate it. It is our duty to work for peace; and some of that duty means we will be at war. That is simply a reality, one that many people do not want to accept, because rather than operating on logic and reality, they “wish” and “feel”.

I pray for peace, and I do it often. I also know that when confronted by evil, that evil must be itself confronted and that often means war - a point which becomes more difficult when we move from the set-piece of the battlefields of the past to asymmetrical warfare of the here and now.

Because the nation states will not turn over those who plan and execute asymmetrical warfare, we have to find a way to stop the further planning and killing. Those who plan and carry out the terrorism are warriors, they plan and execute war at the behest and with the support of nation states, and we have a moral right to interdict their actions and planning. Theologians may need to get busy on the just war theory, but just it is to find and fight those who plan and carry out the terrorism which has been unleashed over the recent decades and will be in the future.

I have close friends who have been and are conscientious objectors and I support their decisions to not serve. I thoroughly went over both conscientious objections and just war theory and I chose to serve. I have been criticized, called a baby killer (literally) and spat on (literally) and it has not moved my decision one iota. I completely support the military strike on Soleimani as an act of war against an unjust aggressor, not only against the US and Israel but also against a multitude of non-combatants in the Middle East and I find the labeling of that as an “assassination” to be intellectually, factually and morally a lie. And with that I will bow out of the conversation.
 
Having served in the military, I know there are few people who are against war more than those I served with, for a very simple reason: we know that it is our lives, individually and collectively who are the first in line to be killed.
I Too Fact Is,
whenever I walk down the street and ask anyone, “Would you like to be in a war?” - they all say, No!’

So I asked myself the question… “Why is there War?”

It took a long bout of Research - to come to the possibility - that as has occurred in History,
some wars connect with the desire to own this Globe - Hook, Line and Sinker…

Others before have tried… and there’s no saying that it’s not occurring as we speak.

WARS? Are the most expensive ‘things’ imagineable …Many $$$ per second of time.

YOU SAID…
I completely support the military strike on Soleimani as an act of war against an unjust aggressor, not only against the US and Israel but also against a multitude of non-combatants in the Middle East and I find the labeling of that as an “assassination” to be intellectually, factually and morally a lie. And with that I will bow out of the conversation.'

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The current strife is widespread and global. and is still in its sort of infant stage. maybe.

Sides Aside There are… Two Sides…

With “Nukes” being increasingly bantered back and forth
it strongly smells of early WWIII which reminds of Armageddon…

Ultimately - however things unfurl . it shall be only those who are with God - who are the Victors.

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I completely support the military strike on Soleimani as an act of war against an unjust aggressor, not only against the US and Israel but also against a multitude of non-combatants in the Middle East and I find the labeling of that as an “assassination” to be intellectually, factually and morally a lie.
The murder/assassination was against the tenets of just war doctrine, the CCC.
 
It’s not about an eye for an eye. It’s about letting the Iranian government know that they can’t attack us without repercussions. Iran admitted accidentally shooting down a civilian airliner, and now the protests in the streets are “Death to the dictator,” and “USA is not our enemy.” Neither is Iran in any position to complain about militants who do not wear uniforms being targets of airstrikes.
 
It’s not about an eye for an eye.
So you are changing what you said, “They killed one of ours, so we killed one of theirs so that we could make peace”?
It’s about letting the Iranian government know that they can’t attack us without repercussions.
Yeah, well their aggression preceded our aggression preceded their aggression, etc etc. We have also learned that we cannot attack them without repercussions, and this time the repercussion is that Iraq wants us out of there completely.
Iran admitted accidentally shooting down a civilian airliner, and now the protests in the streets are “Death to the dictator,” and “USA is not our enemy.”
So you are buying the idea that now the US is popular there because Iran accidentally shot down an airliner? Where did you get that?
Neither is Iran in any position to complain about militants who do not wear uniforms being targets of airstrikes.
Not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps “militants not wearing uniforms” are what we actually call “civilians”. Shouldn’t we all complain about airstrikes on civilians?
 
Apparently all it takes to avoid being a terrorist is being drafted by some nation’s military. I wonder why there was so much ansgt over Chief Gallagher’s acquittal then? After all, he is a decorated member of OUR armed forces; certainly he should be treated the same by those who objected to his acquittal as Gen. Soleimani, right?
 
It’s pretty amazing that people are still trying to defend General Salami even though the Iranian people have no love for him and are actively protesting the brutal, totalitarian, evil regime he fought for.
Some are protesting the airliner accident, not Soleimani. And no one’s defending him, just noting that if his assassination was justified then, for example, there are hundreds if not thousands of U.S. officials who other countries would be justified assassinating.
 
Equating things that aren’t equal is a defense, which is what you just did.

Oh, and I appreciate you thanking me for providing you those sources you asked for.
 
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What is Soleimani accused of that would justify his assassination? You can’t argue that it was an ‘imminent’ threat given Trump gave the order to assassinate him 7 months ago, so what other reasons warranted his murder?
 
I explained that days ago in an earlier post on this thread (somewhere around #80 maybe). I won’t repeat myself.

And since you won’t acknowledge that your incredulity was unwarranted, I have to assume you’re not willing to reevaluate your positions based on new information. So I don’t feel the need to discuss anything further with you.
 
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