"We Will Not Comply": Obamacare Upheld By Supreme Court

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Hesychios said:
Actually, considering the increased public burden uncared for persons represent, this may be justifiable.

It is similar to a government taxing smoking, I guess.
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Are people forced to buy cigarettes and pay taxes on them or do they have a free choice?
 
ACCT said:
“We will not comply with this socialistic and oppressive law that forces us to not only purchase insurance we may not want, but more importantly, forces us to violate our consciences and fund abortion coverage,” said Troy Newman, President of Operation Rescue and Pro-Life Nation. “We must demand that Congress change the law for the good of our nation. If Congress will not change it, we still will not comply.”
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I propose this challenge to anyone who believes the health care law will fund abortions:
Give me a real-life example of the health care law funding an abortion.
 
Not_Sure said:
The Supreme Court ruled that killing a child in the womb was a constitutional right.
It still is not. Neither a natural right, nor a right mentioned, or hinted at in the constitution.
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An unjust law is no law at all. We have a duty as Catholics to defy all unjust laws. We will NOT serve the socialist state and their unjust laws.
 
Seeker1961 said:
Anything as complicated as health care, with all the variables is going to take a lot of pages.

And the question is, can we as a nation afford NOT to reform health care?

Honestly, my only real objection was paying for elective abortion and the lack of a conscience clause. I am all for Americans not being one serious accident or illness away from bankruptcy, forcing people to take responsibility and pay their premiums and forcing insurance companies to stop denying or canceling policies on people who dare to have pre-existing conditions.
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If you are for the government forcing Americans to do anything, you are not for freedom. Without private property, we have no political or economic freedom!
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Your final statement does not follow from any of the definitions you quoted. The definitions refer to control over the means of production and distribution. The ACA exerts control over neither of these areas. In fact it is more free market than it could have been with a single payer system. At least you get to choose which private sector insurance company you buy from. That is not socialism according to the definitions you quoted.
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The philosophy of socialism is failure. I have only one word for the Socialist States of America: DEFAULT! The Euro is toast. The funny money that you have in your bank account was created out of thin air by the central bankers (Federal Reserve) and it will become toast. Americans who do not listen will have to feel the pain.
 
TheTrueCentrist said:
I propose this challenge to anyone who believes the health care law will fund abortions:
Give me a real-life example of the health care law funding an abortion.
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It’s not about funding abortion.

Its about dismembering infants in their mother’s womb - cutting their arms and legs off and cutting their heads off with wires - and sucking their body parts into jars, which the culture of recreational sex demands.

It’s about 70% of black children and 40% of white children born into families with no fathers. It’s about an entire generation of young men addicted to the foulest pornography and the divorce that it causes. It’s about sexually transmitted disease and AIDS.

And it’s all created by the rack of condoms right next to the flintstone vitamins and the $4 generic birth control pills available to sixteen year olds at Walmart.

It’s about hell, and the millions of souls that will go there because of all this. That’s what its about.

And it’s about what God is going to do to us some day if we don’t stop this nonsense. That’s what its about.

-Tim-
 
Seeker1961 said:
If the plan were socialist, private insurance companies would not be involved. Government would have taken over United Healthcare, Blue Cross and every other private health insurance company and we would have single payer coverage. While all those companies are still making tidy profits for their shareholders and CEO’s you can’t call it socialism.

The happiest people in America today are the health care insurance companies. This law was created by and for them. Go back to the 1990’s and look at the original version of this law. It was created by the GOP in response to Hillary’s plan. How quickly everyone forgets!
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We are not free when the government is our partner. Hitler also had a partnership with big business in the 1930s.
 
Seeker1961 said:
No, they don’t. Healthy people, particularly young people were NOT buying insurance coverage simply because they were young and healthy. Adding them into the system will pay for those who need the care. Social Security works the exact same way.
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Social Security is a socialist failure. It was on the Socialist platform of 1928. FDR put Social Security on the Democrat platform in the 1930s. Ditto for the socialist policy of the minimum wage. All failures! Add to that the failure of the Federal Reserve that was created in 1913. This country has commited suicide! Feel the pain of creating a world without God.
 
Keith_W_OR_USA said:
No one has to buy health insurance. If you don’t want health insurance then you just pay a $700 tax to the government.
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I will not pay! Additionally, I will not hire one employee because I have to pay the government for the privilege of hiring an employee.

I had a very successful business; however, I let go all of my 45 employees. I now work out of my home in a virtual office. Managing employees is too much work for too little pay. The goverrnment also does not pay me for the paperwork involved with payroll taxes and now Omamacare.
 
TimothyH said:
It’s not about funding abortion.

Its about dismembering infants in their mother’s womb - cutting their arms and legs off and cutting their heads off with wires - and sucking their body parts into jars, which the culture of recreational sex demands.

It’s about 70% of black children and 40% of white children born into families with no fathers. It’s about an entire generation of young men addicted to the foulest pornography and the divorce that it causes. It’s about sexually transmitted disease and AIDS.

And it’s all created by the rack of condoms right next to the flintstone vitamins and the $4 generic birth control pills available to sixteen year olds at Walmart.

It’s about hell, and the millions of souls that will go there because of all this. That’s what its about.

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And it’s about what God is going to do to us some day if we don’t stop this nonsense. That’s what its about.

-Tim-
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Seeker1961 said:
He needs to learn what “socialist” actually means.

The law needs repair, but it is not socialist.
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It is socialism, because it is fascist…I ain’t gonna explain because I don’t want to type a 10-page essay…but here’s a

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Though of course, if you yourself are a Socialist of the Karl Marx or Mussolini kind…then I guess this will have absolutely no effect on your opinion, since both fascism and socialists hate each other, the same way communists and socialists fight all the time. 🤷
 
If you want to have an inkling of where I am coming from, do an Internet search of three Marian apparitions:
  1. “Our Lady of Guadalupe” (“She Who Crushes the Serpent”), Guadalupe, Mexico, 1531
  2. Lourdes, France, 1858 (“I am the Immaculate Conception”)
  3. Fatima, Portugal, 1917 (“Queen of the Rosary” – the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart and the end times)
Mary wears combat boots. Satan is leading our country and the world. The Unsupreme Court yesterday reaffirmed an unjust law.

I have no respect for the Unsupreme Court. They cannot even get Roe versus Wade right. The country and Europe are defaulting on their debts and the chastisements have not even started yet. What God cannot purify, He will destroy. Look at the signs of the times! Satan is ready to take over the world with the intent of destroying the world.
 
ACCT said:
The goverrnment also does not pay me for the paperwork involved with payroll taxes and now Omamacare.
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:rotfl::rotfl:

I haven’t heard this version of his name before. Do you mind if I borrow it?😃
 
Remember, the government cannot give anything to anyone that they have not first taken away from someone else.

Remember this: November is Take out the Trash Day!
 
GratefulFred said:
But the US Supreme Court ruled today that if you do not buy health insurance, the government, under this President’s health care law, CAN TAX YOU.
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Go brush up on history. The US SC has upheld such savory things as slavery, segregation and abortion.
 
Keith_W_OR_USA said:
No one has to buy health insurance. If you don’t want health insurance then you just pay a $700 tax to the government.
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That is the starting amount. It goes up from there, as Congress raises the penalty. Soon, we will be between a large rock and a hard place.

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ACCT said:
If you want to have an inkling of where I am coming from, do an Internet search of three Marian apparitions:
  1. “Our Lady of Guadalupe” (“She Who Crushes the Serpent”), Guadalupe, Mexico, 1531
  2. Lourdes, France, 1858 (“I am the Immaculate Conception”)
  3. Fatima, Portugal, 1917 (“Queen of the Rosary” – the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart and the end times)
Mary wears combat boots. Satan is leading our country and the world. The Unsupreme Court yesterday reaffirmed an unjust law.
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On what Catholic principles is this law unjust? Unwise, maybe. Cumbersome, maybe. A highly imperfect attempt to deal with a difficult issue, certainly. But unjust?

This is entirely separate from the question of contraception coverage, which was not before the Supreme Court.

Edwin
 
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