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Dorothy
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As I looked back further in this fast growing thread, I noticed that you found the Scapular Catechesis that I was looking for. Yay!!!
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Tis_Bearself
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Yes, sadly the original domain seems to have expired. But I found it in Internet Archive and bookmarked it, because as you know we need to post it here about every 2 weeks
One problem. Fr Morello seems to say there are restrictions on which priests can invest people. Has this changed?
Would appreciate any clarification. Theosis cited the Sisters of Carmel, who are not Carmelites and not a reliable source.
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Dorothy
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There is a paragraph that answers this question that is in the article. I will type the last sentence of that paragraph.
Question: Who may invest people with the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel?
“The official ritual provided by the Holy See makes no provision for someone other than a priest or deacon to bless the scapular.”
I’d like to add that one does not have to be “enrolled”.
Question: Who may invest people with the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel?
“The official ritual provided by the Holy See makes no provision for someone other than a priest or deacon to bless the scapular.”
I’d like to add that one does not have to be “enrolled”.
Tis_Bearself
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This is true. As I mentioned, one can simply wear it and get the same spiritual benefits.
From the catechesis:
Regarding enrollment, it seems like any priest can bless, but if one specifically desires to be enrolled in the confraternity (Which is not necessary, but some of us like to do it), one seeks out a priest or other person authorized to act in the name of the order.
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Theosis
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https://traditionalcarmelite.com/live/brown-scapular-of-our-lady-of-mount-carmel/
Can we now agree, my brother/sister in Christ, that any Priest or even Deacon can bless and enroll you in this scapular? Forgive my haste in siting the Sisters of Carmel initially as a link.
God bless and keep you and my Our Lady of Mount Carmel pray for us all!
Lord, have mercy!
Christ, have mercy!
Lord, have mercy!
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Tis_Bearself
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I’ll believe it when I hear it from a Carmelite Father, and will ask the next time I visit their monastery.
It is rather a moot point because as we have noted, you don’t have to be enrolled to gain the same benefits, and in USA there are no Scapular Confraternity chapters where they would be tracking your enrollment.
I do like to post correct information on the forum, so I will simply set the question aside for further research, rather than agree at this point.
I myself was enrolled twice - once at the Blue Army shrine and once at the Carmelite Monastery in Philadelphia.
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Dorothy
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Thanks for adding that to the information.
The article is quite lengthy and is sold in booklet form by the Institute of Carmelite Studies…along with other information.
There is so much misunderstanding that is generated due to the fact that the average Catholic is given different information by many others, and I don’t expect them to read that lengthy article and fully understand it!
The article is quite lengthy and is sold in booklet form by the Institute of Carmelite Studies…along with other information.
There is so much misunderstanding that is generated due to the fact that the average Catholic is given different information by many others, and I don’t expect them to read that lengthy article and fully understand it!
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Theosis
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Please, let us know what the Carmelite Father says.
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Theosis
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Kyle,
I truly hope that you find some encouragement in all this. I pray that you see, without doubt, that if you genuinely desire to wear, in faith, the heavenly garment of the Brown Scapular given to St. Simon Stock by our Lady, Ever-Virgin, Holy Mother of God the Son, that she, in fact, is calling you to herself through that holy desire. Humbly listen to her words and the instruction of the Church.
Do not be troubled and be “of little faith, why did you doubt?” (Matt 14:31). Instead, listen to our Lord’s words and take courage! Our Lord has said, “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock” (Matt 7:24-25) so that “when the crowds saw this they were struck with awe and glorified God who had given such authority to men” (Matt 9:8). I am writing to you as one brother to another, sinner that I am…
In the end, we share the same Mother as our Lord through grace by faith and the Lord will show you the way and confirm what I have said. May our Lady of Mount Carmel, Mystical Rose, guide you to the blessed fruit of her womb, Jesus Christ, our Lord and God.
Praised be Jesus Christ!
I truly hope that you find some encouragement in all this. I pray that you see, without doubt, that if you genuinely desire to wear, in faith, the heavenly garment of the Brown Scapular given to St. Simon Stock by our Lady, Ever-Virgin, Holy Mother of God the Son, that she, in fact, is calling you to herself through that holy desire. Humbly listen to her words and the instruction of the Church.
Do not be troubled and be “of little faith, why did you doubt?” (Matt 14:31). Instead, listen to our Lord’s words and take courage! Our Lord has said, “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock” (Matt 7:24-25) so that “when the crowds saw this they were struck with awe and glorified God who had given such authority to men” (Matt 9:8). I am writing to you as one brother to another, sinner that I am…
In the end, we share the same Mother as our Lord through grace by faith and the Lord will show you the way and confirm what I have said. May our Lady of Mount Carmel, Mystical Rose, guide you to the blessed fruit of her womb, Jesus Christ, our Lord and God.
Praised be Jesus Christ!
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Lost_Sheep
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I used to wear the Brown Scapular but I don’t anymore. I didn’t see my life as being any better for wearing it so now I don’t bother with it.
Tis_Bearself
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Since that’s not why we use sacramentals, and the point of wearing a scapular is not to make your life on earth “better”, perhaps it’s for the best that you do not wear it.
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Lost_Sheep
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Then what good is it? Why are we supposed to wear it then?
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RolandThompsonGunner
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It’s a devotional aide. It’s not a magic talisman that is going to cure your depression, take three inches off your waist, and make your boss give you a raise.
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Kyle2253
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Follow up question for those who wear the brown scapular about some of the “practical aspects”. Obviously to bathe you need to remove the scapular, but what other times do you take it off? I can imagine swimming/going to beach and things such as that. But what about while you sleep?
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ThomasMT
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Innocent question, please dont flip out…
Regarding the scapular, the info may not be current, but can one really go “WRONG” following the traditional guidlines?
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Cor_ad_Cor
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My first scapular experience (albeit naive) was as a teenager. I removed the scapular for showers, sleeping (sometimes - if you move about in your sleep, it’s easily broken and potentially dangerous to get wrapped around your neck), and for any physical activity that might generate a good deal of perspiration, such as those farm chores I’m no longer able-bodied enough to do (a blessing in the disguise of pain? 
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The only thing I’m considering doing differently now as I return to this devotion is that there is the scapular medal, and this can be used in place of the cloth scapular(s) for any reason where the cloth one may not be suitable. The booklet I received with mine specifically mentioned that the scapular medal could be sewn into a bathing suit as an example.
).The only thing I’m considering doing differently now as I return to this devotion is that there is the scapular medal, and this can be used in place of the cloth scapular(s) for any reason where the cloth one may not be suitable. The booklet I received with mine specifically mentioned that the scapular medal could be sewn into a bathing suit as an example.
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Tis_Bearself
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When they’re not the guidelines of the order that owns the devotional, but rather the guidelines of a schismatic group and they differ from the guidelines of the order, then yes, it’s wrong to follow them.Regarding the scapular, the info may not be current, but can one really go “WRONG” following the traditional guidlines?
Tis_Bearself
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I don’t have a problem sleeping in mine, but if you do then I suppose you could take it off for sleep. Basically it’s the equivalent of a religious order habit. You don’t sleep or go swimming in a habit so it’s okay to take it off for those activities.
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kikiki32
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I can’t be completely sure, but I think my parents enrolled me as an infant on the day of my baptism.
What I know is that I’ve worn the golden brown scapular medal for all my life, since I have memory. In my earliest memories as a child, I was wearing it. In the oldest photographs of my childhood, there it was, around my neck. It slowly became like a part of my identity. Except for very concrete situations, I can’t remember myself not wearing it.
Even in the moments where I was the furthest from God, in which I didn’t pray at all and I was completely trapped in sin, I still wore it. I feel protected when I wear it. Not in a superstitious way (because the object itself is ‘magical’), but because it’s a great reminder of Mary, and a visible sign of my faith.
What I know is that I’ve worn the golden brown scapular medal for all my life, since I have memory. In my earliest memories as a child, I was wearing it. In the oldest photographs of my childhood, there it was, around my neck. It slowly became like a part of my identity. Except for very concrete situations, I can’t remember myself not wearing it.
Even in the moments where I was the furthest from God, in which I didn’t pray at all and I was completely trapped in sin, I still wore it. I feel protected when I wear it. Not in a superstitious way (because the object itself is ‘magical’), but because it’s a great reminder of Mary, and a visible sign of my faith.
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Dorothy
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I wear the scapular in my sleep. We do not need to be fearful when removing it for various reasons.
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