Wearing a Veil?

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I have to admit, I’ve been curious about veiling for some time. My concern is more that I would be the only woman in my parish who did (both at my old parish, and my new one), and I worry that my FH would think I was being silly, or that others would chastise me, or accuse me of being holier-than-thou. How did you ladies deal with it?
Here, I don’t worry about it. I wear a pashmina. The one time I wore a cap, I was actually asked to remove it by the usher.
Stateside, I would wear a simple beret or news cap. I have never seen anybody chastised for wearing a mantilla, or scarf. The reason is generally understood. They are also becoming more popular. Back when head covering was mandated, some women placed a small chapel cap or even a handkerchief on their heads. Those, I think I would avoid.
 
I started veiling with sheer type scarves then progressed to various types of mantillas. I have several mantillas and various scarves to wear for Mass, Confession, and other devotions when inside a church building. I wear black mantillas mainly for Mass but have worn them other times for Confession and stuff. I’ve only worn a white mantilla at OF for Easter, and will wear them for Latin Masses as I won’t stick out like a sore thumb wearing white at those Masses. I believe the Holy Spirit nudged me into the covering inside church and also with the covering, I also began dressing much more modestly at all times.
 
I recently stopped veiling after over a year of it. No one in our church does it, but that didn’t bother me too much. I ended up wearing this black knitted snood, and I even had a lady tell me “nice hat” during the sign of peace once!

But I write just to say that I think I understand why the Lord led me to veil for this time frame. Going in, I did not accept a wife’s role in marriage, and I did not dress very femininely. My clothes weren’t terribly immodest, but through this experience I was able to make some concrete changes and think critically about what my modesty standards are and why.

Through veiling, God has taught me to embrace my femininity and come to appreciate my husband’s role as head of our family. It was during this time that my husband had his own faith conversion and is now very open about his faith and has gotten us both involved with various things at church.

Just wanted to add this perspective that the Lord may not be calling everyone to veil just for the sake of veiling. I was actually quite opposed to the idea initially, but learned obedience to the Holy Spirit’s prompting even when we don’t know the reason or end result. :byzsoc:
 
How did you ladies decide to veil? And if it wasn’t by a request from your husband or other man in your life, how did you approach the subject with them?
 
How did you ladies decide to veil? And if it wasn’t by a request from your husband or other man in your life, how did you approach the subject with them?
I’m actually a bit uncomfortable with the term veiling. Perhaps, that is because I am older and wearing a head covering of some type for Mass, or even entering a church was expected. It was not called “veiling.” When I think of a veil, I think of a wedding veil, or a hat with veiling that covers the eyes. That being said, I understand the modern day use of the term as simply wearing a head covering.
There is currently no man in my life, so another person’s views are not a consideration. Over the years, like most women, I gradually stopped wearing hats and scarves to Mass. I was never comfortable wearing them. I had never found one that made me feel good or was flattering. A watch cap was simply a way to keep the head warm in winter. A baseball cap kept the sun out of the eyes during the summer.
One day, I was in JC Penny. A woman I did not know asked me to try on a Fedora. She showed me how to wear it, and then bought it for me. It was her pleasure to introduce young women ( I was in my early 30s) to wearing hats. I turned wearing the hat into a prayer, and asked God to bless the woman who had purchased it for me each and every time I wore it. When I wore it, men would approach me. They built up my ego by telling me how confident a woman looked wearing a hat. Occasionally I even wore the hat to Mass, but not when I was lector or EMCH.
I guess you could say that wearing a head covering to Mass did not start in Church. It started with the confidence that developed wearing a hat in ordinary life. That meant discovering the styles that worked, and why those I had previously tried to wear didn’t.
Although I currently live in a Muslim country, wearing a hajib is not required. I primarily wear my pashmina when attending Mass, removing it when I leave Church.
 
There are a few older women at our church who wear veils. One homily our favorite pastor talked about how the Church never really said that it was OK to stop wearing head coverings. I guess it was a miscommunication, people started spreading this misconception that you didnt have to wear coverings anymore after vatican 2 and the Church never really spoke out to correct people. Anyway, he said that really woman still should. That got me thinking and reading about it. I think i would like to wear a veil? I might be self conscience at first but i think its really important too.

Anyway before i could come to a conclusion on what i was going to do my 6 yr old daughter pointed out one of the woman at our Church who wears one and said…I WANT ONE TOO! she walks around the house wearing one and being like Mary she says. One Sunday morning she was wearing her makeshift veil and wanted to wear it to Church and my husband wouldnt let her. So i researched veils and childrens veils. I sat down with her and explained that you can only wear a veil if you wear a veil over your heart and understand the role of a woman in the Church and in her family. She really seems to grasp it, she wants to practice being humble like our Heavenly Mother and i want to encourage it.

What do you all think about wearing a veil, either for yourselves or your children?? Do any of you wear one in a church where most of the woman don’t? Is that odd? I will be ordering veils for all our girls and myself this weekend and would love to hear your thoughts as well as what type and colors are most appropriate.

THANKS!
~Angela
Just make sure its for the right motives.
Eg. wearing a weil to
  • look cute, look pretty, look holy, look like Mary… are reasons to wear weils but then at least be honest with yourself and teach also your child the difference.
If you wear it because the Bible encourages it and Paul talks about it, then you should consider wearing it at all times, because thats what he talked about too, and not just in church. Paul talkes about “while a woman is praying” and we are called to pray unceasingly…
 
Just make sure its for the right motives.
Eg. wearing a weil to
  • look cute, look pretty, look holy, look like Mary… are reasons to wear weils but then at least be honest with yourself and teach also your child the difference.
If you wear it because the Bible encourages it and Paul talks about it, then you should consider wearing it at all times, because thats what he talked about too, and not just in church. Paul talkes about “while a woman is praying” and we are called to pray unceasingly…
Which is why Mennonite and Amish women always wear a cap or hat.
 
How did you ladies decide to veil? And if it wasn’t by a request from your husband or other man in your life, how did you approach the subject with them?
I am not married nor in a steady relationship at this time. The men in my family do not pay attention to what I wear on my head in church as not all of them attend Mass on a regular basis, and those that do go to Mass may not go to the same church and times I do.

My calling I think was a nudge by the Holy Spirit as I was returning to my faith after a short time of going rarely to Mass & not practicing my faith as I should. Mass attendance, devotions and other items are more important to me now, and I feel better mentally that I practice my faith & actively participate to the best of my abilities & what my work schedule permits.
 
I get veils at weddings, as part of the whole virginity now being surrendered to her husband thing…it’s a nod to old customs and ideas, a symbol.

But in everyday life? I am glad the Church removed the requirement. I am not any more evil or sinful than my husband, and I am not any more an instrument of leading people into sin than my husband. So if he is not required to cover his head, why should I be? Because the whole point of the veil’s origins was that women should cover their beauty, as it leads men into sinful thoughts to look at it. (An idea best relegated to the oppressive Islamic countries that still teach it…:mad: )

I have more regard for men and their self-control than that. It’s their responsibility to guard their thoughts, not mine. And it’s not on me if they don’t. I don’t go around purposely trying to attract lustful thoughts, so it’s not my problem if they occur. And besides, my husband is way cuter than me… is he to blame if some woman sees him on the street and starts fantasizing inappropriately? Somehow that idea never gained currency, so if we can’t blame men for other people’s sins, then we can’t blame women for other people’s sins, either.

I have no problem with a woman who chooses to wear a veil. I get that it’s done out of a sense of modesty and respect. I just don’t think I should be forced to do it, and it certainly shouldn’t be church law. Just because of the origins of the idea of covering women more than men, and the reasons for it. I know there are tons of ways that the Church treats women differently from men, and some of them may even make some sense, but lets try to make sure that only the ones that make sense are being enshrined into laws.
It has nothing to do with how sinful we are. It has to do with the fact that it says that in the Bible it says that womens should wear a head covering in the Prescence of the Lord (meaning His Prescence in the Eucharist,) women should wear a head covering. It also says that men should not cover their heads. It says this in 1 Corinthians 11:3-16.
 
Funny you should bring this up b/c I just looked this up myself as there is a church nearby where i live that still does the old Latin Mass and encourages wearing veils. I didn’t think they were still mandatory, so I looked it up.

What your priest told you is only half the story: yes there was a miscommunication after Vatican 2 about wearing veils. I guess some reporter asked a bishop if veils would still be required after Vatican 2 and he said “no comment” but the story got printed as “veils won’t be required” so people stopped wearing them. Even when the Church said that it wasn’t true, so many people had stopped that the Church didn’t bother enforcing it. In 1983, however, the Church did officially remove the requirement from canon law. So up until 1983, your priest was correct ;).

I don’t wanna wear a veil, but maybe that’s b/c I’m young and don’t remember the days of veil-wearing women to church (I was just born in 1983 when the rule was removed, for goodness sakes) so maybe I see it as “old-fashioned”. I think it’s wonderful if your children wanna wear one, I don’t see what it can hurt!
It was only removed from Canon law because of feminists protesting in the 70’s.
 
It was only removed from Canon law because of feminists protesting in the 70’s.
Do you really think that Holy Mother Church would be influenced to change Canon Law because of “feminists protesting”? I doubt it sincerely.
 
Do you really think that Holy Mother Church would be influenced to change Canon Law because of “feminists protesting”? I doubt it sincerely.
I doubt it, but since it was a discipline, they might have evaluated it and decided that it was not helping people spiritually to require it (hoping that those who found the practice helpful spiritually would continue to teach the young ones that it was a laudable practice). The protests of the feminists might have been a consideration, though not the whole picture of why the requirement was dropped.
 
It was only removed from Canon law because of feminists protesting in the 70’s.
You give feminists way too much credit. Don’t you think if this were true, we’d also have women priests by now, and birth control would be OK?

I understand the practice when it is applied wholesomely… as part of a feminine modest outfit. When the headcovering blends with the outfit to the point where you may not even be able to tell if a woman is “trying to be holy” or if it’s just part of the outfit (like hats, scarves in winter, etc.), then I think the spirit of the practice is followed most closely.

But when it becomes an end in itself, with women wearing shorts and sneakers and a chapel veil, I have to wonder what got lost in the translation for them? I’ve also heard that back in the day some women would pin a hankerchief or even paper towel on their head if they forgot their mantilla. Seriously? What is feminine, modest, or respectful about making a clown out of yourself? If the purpose of the head covering is to not attract excess attention to yourself from the opposite sex, then random stuff on one’s head certainly doesn’t cut it.
 
I have to admit, I’ve been curious about veiling for some time. My concern is more that I would be the only woman in my parish who did (both at my old parish, and my new one), and I worry that my FH would think I was being silly, or that others would chastise me, or accuse me of being holier-than-thou. How did you ladies deal with it?
So far I’ve never gotten a negative comment at Mass in real life. People are weird when I have my hair covered when I’m out and about with the girls, but even that has varied widely depending on where we’ve lived and generally that sort of hostility seems to come from women of a certain age who apparently think I’m oppressing myself and who usually express themselves in the grocery store with head shaking and glares. Mass, from a very liberal parish to the Latin Mass we attend during the school year, to quite a few parishes in between, has never been the problem that I imagined it would be when I started out.

I personally began by setting a date in the future when I would start covering, because I was so nervous, and then following through with it and discovering that it really wasn’t bad at all!
How did you ladies decide to veil? And if it wasn’t by a request from your husband or other man in your life, how did you approach the subject with them?
DH wasn’t against the idea when I began to feel drawn to it. I imagine it would have been much more of a struggle if he hadn’t been supportive from the start…
It was only removed from Canon law because of feminists protesting in the 70’s.
Generally Inter Insignores isn’t really seen as a document that feminists love, and it’s where Pope Paul VI said: “But it must be noted that these ordinances, probably inspired by the customs of the period, concern scarcely more than disciplinary practices of minor importance, such as the obligation imposed upon women to wear a veil on their head (1 Cor 11:2-16); such requirements no longer have a normative value.”

It’s also where he explained why women can’t be priests. So I don’t think he was trying to get feminists to love him in that one.
If you wear it because the Bible encourages it and Paul talks about it, then you should consider wearing it at all times, because thats what he talked about too, and not just in church. Paul talkes about “while a woman is praying” and we are called to pray unceasingly…
Many women cover as a sign of respect and humility before the Eucharist. I collected some of my favorite reasons and explanations over the years here. I’ve know quite a few women who began to cover, myself included, because they felt a tug on their heart to do so… and they followed where it led. Not everyone feels drawn to the same devotions, but there’s certainly value for many women in this one for many of us.
 
I doubt it, but since it was a discipline, they might have evaluated it and decided that it was not helping people spiritually to require it (hoping that those who found the practice helpful spiritually would continue to teach the young ones that it was a laudable practice). The protests of the feminists might have been a consideration, though not the whole picture of why the requirement was dropped.
What happened was that the practice of wearing a headcovering no longer had what is referred to as “normative value”; it simply had lost significance in the culture. Cardinal Burke refers to this, as did the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith as far back as 1976, well before the change in Canon Law. This is from Inter Insigniores, their document discussing women and the priesthood:

“Another objection is based upon the transitory character that one claims to see today in some of the prescriptions of Saint Paul concerning women, and upon the difficulties that some aspects of his teaching raise in this regard. But it must be noted that these ordinances, probably inspired by the customs of the period, concern scarcely more than disciplinary practices of minor importance, such as the obligation imposed upon women to wear a veil on the head (1 Cor 11:2-6); such requirements no longer have a normative value”.
 
I wear a headcovering a lot of the time. It has nothing to do with what the bible says, it has more to do with wanting to be closer to our Blessed Mother. She wore a veil and I do as well so that I can be reminded to act as she would.
 
You give feminists way too much credit. Don’t you think if this were true, we’d also have women priests by now, and birth control would be OK?

I understand the practice when it is applied wholesomely… as part of a feminine modest outfit. When the headcovering blends with the outfit to the point where you may not even be able to tell if a woman is “trying to be holy” or if it’s just part of the outfit (like hats, scarves in winter, etc.), then I think the spirit of the practice is followed most closely.

But when it becomes an end in itself, with women wearing shorts and sneakers and a chapel veil, I have to wonder what got lost in the translation for them? I’ve also heard that back in the day some women would pin a hankerchief or even paper towel on their head if they forgot their mantilla. Seriously? What is feminine, modest, or respectful about making a clown out of yourself? If the purpose of the head covering is to not attract excess attention to yourself from the opposite sex, then random stuff on one’s head certainly doesn’t cut it.
What happened was that the practice of wearing a headcovering no longer had what is referred to as “normative value”; it simply had lost significance in the culture. Cardinal Burke refers to this, as did the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith as far back as 1976, well before the change in Canon Law. This is from Inter Insigniores, their document discussing women and the priesthood:

“Another objection is based upon the transitory character that one claims to see today in some of the prescriptions of Saint Paul concerning women, and upon the difficulties that some aspects of his teaching raise in this regard. But it must be noted that these ordinances, probably inspired by the customs of the period, concern scarcely more than disciplinary practices of minor importance, such as the obligation imposed upon women to wear a veil on the head (1 Cor 11:2-6); such requirements no longer have a normative value”.
I don’t remember when wearing a head covering was no longer compulsory, but it does seem that it was long before 1976. The idea that a woman could not enter a church without something on her head did place emphasis on wearing a hat or scarf over worship, the reason that we go into any church. Sometimes, the hat became a fashion statement.
By the 1960’s, wearing a hat (or scarf) was no longer a normal part of a woman’s daily attire. And yes, women did pin handkerchiefs or tissues on their heads simply to meet the rule. I actually heard that in the 1950’s, a woman might pin one of her gloves on her head. The mantilla was not commonly worn. The advantage of a mantilla or chapel veil was that it would fit into a woman’s purse making it available for the woman–a much better alternative than a handkerchief. They did become popular in the 1960’s.
Anything that we wear should fit with our outfit so that it presents a whole and one clothing piece does not distract from the rest of the outfit. That being said, I have seen many young women wearing mantillas with jeans. It does not bother me, but seems to fit with the overall casual appearance. A mantilla may be worn whether a women dresses up or down.
 
I see nothing wrong with wearing a head covering if that’s what you want to do.

I actually think some head coverings can look really cool/stylish with certain outfits.

I know several years back I had a bandana I used to wear with sort of a hippyish looking outfit. Lol I used to think it was the coolest thing ever, but I got a lot of compliments on it so I guess it was. 😉

Go for it, and have fun!
 
Do you really think that Holy Mother Church would be influenced to change Canon Law because of “feminists protesting”? I doubt it sincerely.
Dear dixieagle,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

That the Code of Canon Law 1983 did officially abrogate the requirement for a woman to don a veil at Holy Mass, admits of no doubt. However, to say, as many modern Catholic women are wont to do, that veiling is now entirely optional and can therefore be discarded, is a fallacy and an oversimplification.

The tide of feminism, dear friend, was overwhelming in the Western world, particularly in the English speaking world, and multitudes of Catholic women accepted, either wittingly or unwittingly, the anti-Christian propaganda of this aberrant movement uncritically. It is surely highly probable that the Vatican did find a potential problem with the old 1917 Canon Law, requiring women to veil, as it could be used to bolster the feminist argument. Thus it is possible that for this reason the Vatican dropped the veiling requirement from the 1983 Code of Canon Law. Under the old 1917 Code, women could theoretically be coerced under penalty to wear a veil against their will. The problem with this, dear friend, was twofold: First, this canon could be employed as a case to prop up the erroneous feminist argument against the veiling of women. Second, the Canon actually defeated the authentic Catholic reason for donning a veil in the first place.

The authentic Catholic reason for wearing a veil is the biblical reason, which is either mostly ignored today or explained away as not having perpetual validity. Notwithstanding, it is something that all Catholic women are supposed to do, not becuase they are compelled to do so, but rather becuase they want to do so in obedience to Sacred Scripture. The fact, my dear friend, that Holy Mother Church has decided to no longer enforce this pious custom through the Canon Law, simply means that she does not wish to be our nanny. The veil is a custom for women to do voluntarily in obedience to the teaching of Sacred Scripture. The idea is that women are to read the biblical directives and be thoroughly convinced according to what is written therein. For veiling to be an authentic token of holiness and humility, it must be done voluntarily without any coercion; women are supposed to be veiled in divine worship, but it is never to be forced.

The biblical case for veiling is to be found in I Corinthians 11: 2-16 and that passage cannot be dismissed as being timebound or irrelevant, because it does not sit comfortably with modern egalitarian notions of womanhood, foisted upon us by radical aberrant feminism. The tradition of the veiling of women comes from God, by way of the Holy Spirit, through St. Paul, for the Apostle states later in the same epistle, “What I am writing to you is a command of the Lord. If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized” (I Cor. 14: 37-38).

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
If you wear it because the Bible encourages it and Paul talks about it, then you should consider wearing it at all times, because thats what he talked about too, and not just in church. Paul talkes about “while a woman is praying” and we are called to pray unceasingly…
Dear GraceDK,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

Your above remark is incorrect, dear friend, St. Paul’s discussion (I Cor. 11: 2-16) of the veiling of women has specific reference to divine worship only and has always been so understood by the Church. In this passage of Sacred Scripture “We now have two very strongly worded sections about order and decency at Christian worship. 2-16 Women are not to be bare-headed at worship” (A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture, Thomas Nelson and Sons Ltd, 1953, p. 1093, emphasis mine). True, we are exhorted to pray unceasingly, but the Corinthians passage has reference to order in divine worship. Indeed, St. Paul makes this quite clear at the conclusion of his discussion of veiling when he says, “If any one is disposed to be contentious, we recognize no other practice, nor do the churches of God” (v. 16, emphasis mine). Thus his discussion only had regard to church worship.

From chapter 11 through to the conclusion of chapter 14, dear friend, St. Paul is addressing disorders within the context of public worship. In chapter 11 he treats first the decorum and dress of women. It appears that in their new-found freedom, women had put off the veil which was, and is, the recognized symbol of their subordination to man. His argument is that equality in redemption (Gal. 3: 28) does not set aside the requirement of the social order which even nature teaches us to respect.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
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