Wedding Dilemma: Our child isn't invited to the wedding reception... should we attend?

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It is pretty simple. The OP’s wife knew she would have to travel 4000 miles to be in the wedding. She said yes. She knew the bride was lukewarm in her faith. She still said yes.

But now because she found out that the bride and groom don’t want to pay for meals for everyone’s children, the OP is upset. It isn’t the bride being selfish or clueless. It is the OP.
I disagree. The OP’s wife was asked to be in the wedding party. The bride knew they would be traveling 4000 miles solely to be in her wedding. The bride knew, I presume, that the OP’s wife has an 18 month old. It has nothing to do with food. It’s about being hospitable and gracious.

To not make an allowance for the childhood friend spending thousands to be in her wedding is a little gauche.
 
• This to me really is a statement about the Faith. We aren’t trying to dictate the B&G’s belief on anything, except to say that our personal actions are a testament to our belief on Family, Life, Children, and what that means. Sure, I believe in time for just my wife and myself. In fact, we just left our daughter for an entire day with someone so that we could go bear hunting together. That being said, I think that Marriage and Weddings shouldn’t be about a day, or a party, or an event, but they should be a statement about what marriage is - especially in today’s world where we constantly are talking about weddings and what marriage is or isn’t. -Joe
So you have no problem leaving your daughter for an entire day so you can go have fun without your daughter.

But you have a problem with the bride and groom that want to do the same thing? They simply want to have a wedding reception without young children running around. I guess have been to too many weddings where children run a muck. I wouldn’t blame any bride and groom that didn’t want to deal with that, in addition to the fact that they pay per head for the privilege.
 
I disagree. The OP’s wife was asked to be in the wedding party. The bride knew they would be traveling 4000 miles solely to be in her wedding. The bride knew, I presume, that the OP’s wife has an 18 month old. It has nothing to do with food. It’s about being hospitable and gracious.

To not make an allowance for the childhood friend spending thousands to be in her wedding is a little gauche.
I agree considering 18 month old babies don’t require a full priced plate. My two year old can share a meal with me…no problem.
 
To not make an allowance for the childhood friend spending thousands to be in her wedding is a little gauche.
For all we know, the bride has a babysitting squad ready to take care of any children. All we know for sure is that when the bride asked the OP’s wife, she said yes. If someone asked me to be in a wedding that involved traveling 4000 miles, with or without my child, I would have asked some questions right then.

It would have been something like this.

Bride: I would love for you to be in my wedding.
Me: Wow, I would love to be in it as well. When will it be?
Bride: Jan of 2012.
Me: My daughter will be kind of young for me to leave her. I don’t know if I can do it

Then the Bride could have said either that she would take care of a baby sitter or that she could find someone else.

But instead then the OP’s wife was asked, she simply said yes, without questioning anything until she got the invite.

And now the OP and his wife are upset that children aren’t included. It is kind of funny. When I got married, I was on the phone with my maid of honor almost every day. We talked about the guest list, the flowers and dresses. Maybe the OP’s wife should have been in touch with the bride a little bit more?
 
So you have no problem leaving your daughter for an entire day so you can go have fun without your daughter.

But you have a problem with the bride and groom that want to do the same thing? They simply want to have a wedding reception without young children running around. I guess have been to too many weddings where children run a muck. I wouldn’t blame any bride and groom that didn’t want to deal with that, in addition to the fact that they pay per head for the privilege.
But it’s one baby of a couple coming 4000 miles. One baby. 18 month old babies do not need their own plate. I’ve been to a few weddings, I’ve had various catered affairs with babies. They tend to sit in their strollers and share with their parents.

Really, I’d tell them I couldn’t come, and send a fruit basket to the honeymoon. One missing bridesmaid isn’t going to invalidate the wedding
 
I agree considering 18 month old babies don’t require a full priced plate. My two year old can share a meal with me…no problem.
When I got married, we paid by the seat. So unless you also planned on holding your child for the evening, we would have had to pay for his/her meal. Generally that is how it works for a sit down meal. If there is a serving line, many times you pay per plate used, so it wouldn’t increase the price any.

Of course the last time I went to a reception with a serving line, the bride’s mother had to stop the children from going through the line with a clean dinner plate when they were only getting a roll. :rolleyes: Each dinner plate used over a certain number was an additional charge.

I just don’t get how hard it is to simply respond “no” to an invitation. If you don’t like that your children aren’t invited to a reception, don’t attend. It is really that simple. 🤷
 
But it’s one baby of a couple coming 4000 miles. One baby. 18 month old babies do not need their own plate. I’ve been to a few weddings, I’ve had various catered affairs with babies. They tend to sit in their strollers and share with their parents.

Really, I’d tell them I couldn’t come, and send a fruit basket to the honeymoon. One missing bridesmaid isn’t going to invalidate the wedding
It is one baby for them. What about the other parents that didn’t bring their children? If you invite one, you invite all. Unless you try to cut them off at a certain age, and if you do that, at what age?

What age do they no longer eat off of their parent’s plate? At what age do they need a seat? Yes, you could leave them in a stroller, but at my reception, that would have blocked the aisle. If a couple of people did it, no one would have been able to walk around. 🤷

I agree with you that the OP should just tell them no. It doesn’t sound like the wife and the bride are that close, if they haven’t talked about the reception at all.
 
HI OP I just re read your first post. This might be a moot point.

Your DW might not be allowed to fly if she is in her third trimester. Especially 4000 miles.

The airline might not let her fly.
 
oh yeah, and they may or may not be invited by the bride to participate in choosing the dress

we have a reality TV show called Bridezillas

for the record, a Catholic wedding in a Catholic Church is public worship and open to anyone

OP’s issue seems to be more about the reception which has nothing much to do with the sacrament itself and is a cultural thing. Would it be great if everyone’s wedding reception reflected their Catholic values? sure, but it can’t be dictated, go or don’t go, it is up to you but there is nothing you say or do that will change what the bride has planned.
The whole wedding reception, not just if kids are invited or not. I’ve been to a few Catholic wedding receptions that got pretty rowdy and wished the kids didn’t have to witness the antics of the guests.

I just wouldn’t be so quick to automatically assume that having a no children policy at the reception is some kind of statement about contraception, as the OP has. It may not even be the bride and groom’s decision, but a parent that wanted it, or even a policy of the place that the reception is being held. Planning weddings and receptions can get very sticky with family members having so many opinions, and perhaps the bride’s hands were tied in this situation.

Its only the reception that the children are not allowed. Nobody can be banned from a Catholic wedding ceremony, we have no such thing as a private ceremony in the Catholic Church as I have come to understand it.
 
sorry is your daughter 18 months or 18 years:confused:
well if she is 18 months old,i would think its only common sense your daughter should go!!!
if i was you i would ring and double check…i really dont think they would say no but if they did each to there own dont go:mad:…i would not let anyone look after my daughter if she was 18 months old:eek: they prob only got certain amount of money to spend on wedding…which is understandable:)
 
But now because she found out that the bride and groom don’t want to pay for meals for everyone’s children, the OP is upset. It isn’t the bride being selfish or clueless. It is the OP.
No, he is not being selfish. Acting in the best interest of one’s family is not selfish. It is parenting. I think any attempt to cast this issue in terms of a moral right or wrong is inappropriate. The bride and groom have every right to choose what is best for them, but every one invited has that equal right. It is a good time for them to learn, if they haven’t already, that choices have consequences. In this case, either having children or not would bring its own set of problems. If the couple expects every one to respect their decision, they should be willing to respect the decision of the OP.

For the record, I would not go.
 
No, he is not being selfish. Acting in the best interest of one’s family is not selfish. It is parenting. I think any attempt to cast this issue in terms of a moral right or wrong is inappropriate. The bride and groom have every right to choose what is best for them, but every one invited has that equal right. It is a good time for them to learn, if they haven’t already, that choices have consequences. In this case, either having children or not would bring its own set of problems. If the couple expects every one to respect their decision, they should be willing to respect the decision of the OP.

For the record, I would not go.
I would not go either!
We have missed the weddings of two of my nephews because we have small children and it would be to much money to get there. We live in PA, one wedding was in Texas, the other in Florida. I love them both very much, but we weren’t going to go into debt for one weekend!
 
Not to get into all the considerations, but if it were me and I *weren’t *pregnant, I’d go alone. If the wedding were that far away and the kids weren’t invited, my husband would have gotten help and stayed home with our kids. This would be particularly true if I were going to be in the wedding party. If the wedding were in our home state and we lived out of state, he’d probably visit the relatives with the kids while I attended the wedding that was over a 2 hour drive away.

In the OP’s case, though, I wouldn’t plan to take a long plane trip in any condition remotely like “very pregnant.” In that case, I’d call the bride at the first opportunity and say, “Sarah, I’m going to be 7 1/2 months along for your wedding. Mike and I have decided that it would be better if I don’t make such a big trip and get myself exhausted. I hate to do this to you, 4,000 miles in a plane and another 150 miles in a car is not a good idea late in the 3rd trimester. Anything could happen, and it could happen at any time on that trip. I need to think about this new baby, and I need to stay home. I’m so sorry. I hope you’ll understand.”

I would not be surprised if your OB/GYN would agree. (And just BTW: If she’s going to be over 8 months, most airlines won’t even let her on board, let alone let her fly on a flight going 4,000 miles.)

Now, mind you, I had twins and was the size most women are at 9 months when I was at 7 months, at which point I went into premature labor and had to be on bed rest until I was allowed to go into labor at 8 months. Having said that, I’d still ask your wife’s doc to weigh in on this scenario. That may be your answer, right there.
 
Excellent answer, but personally speaking . . . I wouldn’t attend a reception 4,000 miles away unless I could bring all of my family. I would politely decline the invitation and explain the reasons.
I agree 100%. If my entire family isn’t invited then I can’t come, that’s far too much travel to have to leave a child.
 
No, he is not being selfish. Acting in the best interest of one’s family is not selfish. It is parenting. I think any attempt to cast this issue in terms of a moral right or wrong is inappropriate. The bride and groom have every right to choose what is best for them, but every one invited has that equal right. It is a good time for them to learn, if they haven’t already, that choices have consequences. In this case, either having children or not would bring its own set of problems. If the couple expects every one to respect their decision, they should be willing to respect the decision of the OP.

For the record, I would not go.
Me either
 
I recently attended a Catholic wedding Mass and reception which were absolutely joyful and beautiful – the matron of honor was very pregnant, the guests were multi-generational, multi-ethnic, multi-faith, maybe a few other multi’s. The children (of all ages) behaved wonderfully, were awestruck during the very reverent Mass, and had FUN at the reception. It was a great way to evangelize children and young adults about this sacrament – about God’s plan for marriage. They heard the homily and the toasts (which mentinoed family values and God), they witness the joyful love between the newlyweds, they got to dance, sing, eat, fellowship and celebrate – and they were just as IMPORTANT as the adults were in the celebration. No one was second-class that day. The newlyweds were royalty, everyone knew that Jesus was part of the day, and as I type this post, I’m choking up with happiness because I cannot think of a single negative thing about that entire day. Well, also because I’m still savoring the hug of the 4-year-old who came running up to me, leaped into my lap and hugged me – the joy of the group was contagious and she had to share it
The newlyweds chose a very nice reception site which honored family and didn’t charge per plate – the food was substantial and good. It was more important to this couple to invite FAMILIES than to offer lobster and filet mignon and an $800 wedding cake (they had a nice cake, but it was simple). It was a very Catholic day – and made it easy to imagine being with our Lord and His mother at that feast in Cana.

Of my earliest childhood memories, two stand out – two weddings involving aunts and uncles. Special, joyful, and formative events in my life.

I thought I would share this for readers who are yet to marry, or who might be asked for advice and help from their adult children preparing for their wedding day.
 
I would look at this more theologically and financially. From a theological and liturgical perspective, there are three rites where children under the age of reason (which varies) can legitimately be excluded: matrimony, ordination and religious profession of vows. These rites focus on adults, not on the entire community. Only adults can really appreciate them; therefore, only adults can really participate in the rite itself. A child at a wedding, ordination or religious profession may be interested for a few minutes or at a few points during the ritual, because something different happens. I have always felt sorry for little kids who are part of the wedding party and have to stand and sit through the mass and wedding rite. Most of them become confused and bored, because they don’t understand what it’s all about. You really need to reach a certain cognitive stage to understand in the simplest terms, not even in very complex terms. Heck, most adults don’t understand the rites, if a theologian or a liturgist stood up and talked you through it in theological and canonical jargon. That’s why it’s not done. You hope and pray that the adults who attend have had proper religious education, if they are Catholic. If they are not, you hope that they have done a little research to understand.

I’m speaking from personal experience… Before I was a religious, I was a widowed father of two very young children. They are now independent adults. No matter how much I tried to explain these three liturgical celebrations to them, they did not understand them until later years and not at the same time either. My daughter got that “I get it look” on her face at about age eight.” My son did not "get it” until about age 10. Not all children reach the same cognitive stage at the same age.

There is also the financial concern. That’s really about the reception, not the liturgy. Often, there is a fee per guest and they do include children as young as toddlers, even if your child eats like a bird. These fees are hefty. They can range anywhere from $50 per guest to $300 per guest. It depends on what you’re serving and where you’re holding your reception.

I’m not a big fan of $20,000.00 wedding receptions. However, that’s the reality. There is nothing immoral about it as long as one is not committing an injustice in order to pay for an expensive reception.

To close, I’d like to share a little story about my religious investiture and profession. When I was invested and 10-years later, when I made perpetual vows, my family and friends attended both masses. This included friends, siblings, my children and nephews and nieces. We’re a large family and everyone is Jewish, except for my children and my mother who was alive at the time. My mother and I are converts. I do have many Catholic in-laws. Half of my cousins, nephews and nieces are married to Catholics. The Jews had done their homework and had an understanding of the rite of investiture and the rite of profession. They knew what to expect and what the different elements meant better than the Catholics. The Catholics more or less knew or they learned as the mass proceeded, because they could hear the prayers, which actually describe what is happening.

I remember three things very clearly. The one moment during the investiture that caught the kids’ attention was the actual divesting. We literally strip down to a pair of shorts and a t-shirt, no shoes, socks or long pants are allowed with the habit. They ARE real shorts, not under clothes.

During the solemn profession, just before you make your profession of vows, you prostrate while the community chants the Litany of Saints. Those were the only parts that caught the children’s attention. The rest of the time I could hear behind me, as my family was sitting in the front pews, “Is it almost over?” “When is it going to be over?”

I also remember 2 other cute moments. After the investiture ceremony, my grand nephews and nieces came running, “Uncle Mike!” I recall my sister saying to her grandchildren, “It’s uncle Jason Richard.” One little button, who was about four said, “No grandma’ it’s not. It’s Uncle Mike.”

I also remember my friend’s grandson asking me, “Dr. Mike, why did that man make you take off your clothes?” Again, his parents said, “It’s not Dr. Mike. It’s Brother Jason Richard.” The little kid looked at me and said, “Why aren’t you Dr. Mike now?”

There was another little story at my solemn profession. One of the little kids asked why we were laying on the floor. I believe that it was my Jewish sister (RIP) who said, “It means that you’re dying so that you can become a new person.” The kid said, “But they didn’t die. They all got up when the singing stopped.”

From my personal experience and my understanding of the theology behind marriage, ordination and religious profession, I can fully understand not including the younger children, because they don’t understand, even when it’s explained to them and there is no role for them in the ritual itself. Even in a wedding, there is no liturgical role for the flower girls and pages. That’s really window dressing. Besides the couple and the deacon or priest, the only other people who have a role are the witnesses, because they stand in place of the State. The deacon or priest and congregation witness for the Church.

I don’t say that we should not include children at these events. I have. I would say that these are adult rituals and not including children is not theologically, liturgically or pastorally out of order. It’s nice to have them there, because you want your family and friends there. However, if it means that you have to host them at a very expensive reception following the ceremony, I can understand excluding them. It is not unfair to do so or contrary to what the Church teaches about these sacraments and rituals.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I agree considering 18 month old babies don’t require a full priced plate. My two year old can share a meal with me…no problem.
Maybe it was just where we had our reception, but they did not charge us the same price per plate for the children as for the adults. I think it was maybe 50%. Still over-priced for chicken fingers & fries, though. 😛

What I keep coming back to is that the bride asked her to be in the wedding knowing it was a 4,000 mile trip and did not disclose that children were not allowed until (surprise!) the wedding invitation shows up. Certainly it’s her right to organize the guest list as she sees fit, but that’s a rather significant detail to leave out when asking someone to be a bridesmaid.

If it were me, my first thought would be that perhaps it was an innocent mistake. Not everyone is familiar with the ins and outs of wedding etiquette, so I wouldn’t presume that the lack of “and children” on the invitation meant they were not invited.

Second, if she confirmed that children were not invited, I wouldn’t feel the least bit bad about changing my plans and not going. Not bringing along a small child changes everything for the parents. At least, it would for me.
 
I would look at this more theologically and financially. From a theological and liturgical perspective, there are three rites where children under the age of reason (which varies) can legitimately be excluded: matrimony, ordination and religious profession of vows. These rites focus on adults, not on the entire community. Only adults can really appreciate them; therefore, only adults can really participate in the rite itself. …
I strongly disagree with your initial point. If the children are not of the age of reason then for sure the are not capable to understand the sacraments of communion and confirmation either. I also want to emphasize that the children that grow in a family with two parents can have a clear understanding what a marriage is about and I doubt that a correlation between wedding and marriage is that difficult to explain.
 
One thing with kids is that you never know how they are going to behave. When my brother got married they wanted my then 3 year old daughter in the wedding party. All started off well. She was perfect at the rehearsal, the pictures at the house, and looked beautiful. When it came time for her to walk down the aisle in front of the bride she screamed and screamed. Needless to say we had to take her outside. I think it was an omen because 3 years later they got divorced. The reception was on a boat and my husband and I spent the entire time chasing after her. BTW we left our 1 year old son home with my MIL. We should have left our daughter home too as we really didn’t enjoy ourselves.
 
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