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"…Just as Senate approaches the final vote on the gay ‘marriage’ bill, C-38, Canada’s national public radio CBC Radio has aired a commentary by a retired professor from the Royal Military College calling for state control over religion, specifically Catholicism. While parliamentarians dismissed warnings by numerous religious leaders and experts that such laws would lead to religious persecution, former professor Bob Ferguson has called for “legislation to regulate the practice of religion.”

“Given the inertia of the Catholic Church, perhaps we could encourage reform by changing the environment in which all religions operate,” Ferguson began his commentary in measured tones yesterday. "Couldn’t we insist that human rights, employment and consumer legislation apply to them as it does other organizations? Then it would be illegal to require a particular marital status as a condition of employment or to exclude women from the priesthood. "

Ferguson continued, “Of course the Vatican wouldn’t like the changes, but they would come to accept them in time as a fact of life in Canada. Indeed I suspect many clergy would welcome the external pressure.”

The former professor pitched his idea as a boon to religious freedom. “We could also help the general cause of religious freedom by introducing a code of moral practice for religions,” he said. “They will never achieve unity so why not try for compatibility? **Can’t religious leaders agree to adjust doctrine so all religions can operate within the code?” **

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If I were in Canada I would begin to get the feeling that Christians there may be heading toward their own “crystallknacht”.

Well we can’t say we weren’t warned where they were going with these ideas…remember this post:

Canadian Justice Minister Irwin Cotler said last week that he cannot guarantee full protection to religious organizations that refuse to marry homosexuals under the Liberal government’s same-sex marriage legislation, reported the Canadian Press.

Churches will not be forced to perform same-sex weddings, but it’s beyond his legal reach to protect provincial marriage commissioners or religious organizations who turn away same-sex couples, Cotler said June 8.

In Canada, the federal government has the jurisdication to define marriage, but provincial governments have the jurisdiction over the solemnization of marriage. In other words, provincial governments grant marriage licenses and marriage commissioners answer to provincial governments.

Marriage commissioners in several provinces, including Manitoba, Newfoundland, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan, have resigned in recent months after receiving orders to perform same-sex unions against their beliefs.

According to the CP report, Conservative justice critic Vic Toews said Cotler must work with the provinces to enact “corresponding legislation that will protect religious organizations and those who object to same-sex marriage for reasons of conscience."

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PS Good to be back “home” again…now to see if I can stay in the forum for longer than the in and out I was experiencing before the “renovation”… 😃
 
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HagiaSophia:
If I were in Canada I would begin to get the feeling that Christians there may be heading toward their own “crystallknacht”.
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I have been refaining myself from using the term “krystallnacht” here, but I have seen a “krystallnacht” type event building up by the left for some time. Their hatred for anything that does not fall in line with their myopic view of things has been building for some time. Soon I see it exploding on both sides of the border.😦

PF
 
Another comment from the Ferguson interview offered by Touchstone:

"…Some of the features of this proposal, which, no doubt, some think worthy of serious consideration. In Ferguson’s words:

A key item would have to be a ban on claims of exclusivity. It should be unethical for any RRP to claim that theirs was the one true religion and believers in anything else or nothing were doomed to fire and brimstone. One might also expect prohibition of ritual circumcisions, bans on preaching hate or violence, the regulation of faith healers, protocols for missionary work, etc.

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Would like to hear some comments from our Canadian brothers and sisters about how they feel about all this. I have seen where they are planning a voting drive to remove some of their elected officials.

Deacon Tony
 
If Canadians don’t take action against this sort of ideology right now, I think it will be the end of religious freedom in Canada. How can you legislate a religion anyway?
 
Deacon Tony560:
Would like to hear some comments from our Canadian brothers and sisters about how they feel about all this. I have seen where they are planning a voting drive to remove some of their elected officials.
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I was listening to Al Kresta today and he had on one of the Conservative MP (I think that is what they call them over there). He painted a bleak picture of the future in Canada if something does not change.

PF
 
smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_145_25.gifI do wonder about our good neighbors to our immediate North. Its hard to accept the negative attitudes toward our Catholic Faith. Having the glorious experience of attending Catholic Youth Day with our Holy Father John Paul II in Toronto - I took in the sites of the city, folks on the subway, busses, shopping, restaurants and the Toronto newspaper. Woah! The columnists and editorials were from someplace reminding me of the years of the Soviet Union! I know there is some kind of resentment that has built up towards America in the last twenty years regarding American so-called ignorance and some of this is displayed by the Canadians who winter in our Sunshine State of Florida. Too much interchange with the French and Cuba, plus an overload of people from the Mideast and Asia has impacted on the regular, homegrown Canadian. Maybe we need to pay more attention through our State Department and through the large companies that have operations there. An example of testy interaction is the older Americans who insist that they need to get their medical prescriptions from Canada in order to afford them. They have been sold on this through the “free” AARP magazine that bombards folks with biased info. Prescriptions are available to the elderly right here at home but because of the rush across the border, Canadians have been resentful that Americans are coming over and using up their pharmacy facilities - getting in their way. Also, the problem of border control has had its moments. The Canadian side might upset an American through extensive delay and searching of vehicles or vice-versa. I suppose the vice-versa is more common! Anyhow, our neighbor fences need mending and at the same time, we Catholics must defend our Faith. Its okay to fight back when attacked! How many Saints defended our Faith so that we could have it? Its nothing new!
And, may I add, lets look around us at home as well cause “it ain’t pretty” around here!
 
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WanderAimlessly:
I was listening to Al Kresta today and he had on one of the Conservative MP (I think that is what they call them over there). He painted a bleak picture of the future in Canada if something does not change.

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The Conservatives have been trying to ‘leverage’ Catholics. They say well they would love to do something to help us but they need to get elected first. Meanwhile, they are strong against SSM but all over the map about abortion. In every other respect, the Conservatives are untrustworthy and a failed party. Cold day in Hell before I vote Conservative. Likewise for the Liberals, NDP, and Green.

As for how I feel about living in Canada: my fantasies drift to running a hotdog stand in New York.
 
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smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_145_25.gifI do wonder about our good neighbors to our immediate North. Its hard to accept the negative attitudes toward our Catholic Faith. Having the glorious experience of attending Catholic Youth Day with our Holy Father John Paul II in Toronto - I took in the sites of the city, folks on the subway, busses, shopping, restaurants and the Toronto newspaper. Woah! The columnists and editorials were from someplace reminding me of the years of the Soviet Union! I know there is some kind of resentment that has built up towards America in the last twenty years regarding American so-called ignorance and some of this is displayed by the Canadians who winter in our Sunshine State of Florida. Too much interchange with the French and Cuba, plus an overload of people from the Mideast and Asia has impacted on the regular, homegrown Canadian. Maybe we need to pay more attention through our State Department and through the large companies that have operations there. An example of testy interaction is the older Americans who insist that they need to get their medical prescriptions from Canada in order to afford them. They have been sold on this through the “free” AARP magazine that bombards folks with biased info. Prescriptions are available to the elderly right here at home but because of the rush across the border, Canadians have been resentful that Americans are coming over and using up their pharmacy facilities - getting in their way. Also, the problem of border control has had its moments. The Canadian side might upset an American through extensive delay and searching of vehicles or vice-versa. I suppose the vice-versa is more common! Anyhow, our neighbor fences need mending and at the same time, we Catholics must defend our Faith. Its okay to fight back when attacked! How many Saints defended our Faith so that we could have it? Its nothing new!
And, may I add, lets look around us at home as well cause “it ain’t pretty” around here!
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I agree with everything you have said. We are Catholics first. I constantly duck Canadians who have anti-American vitriol in mind when they eye me for a conversation. I don’t put up with it. Neither should you. Bring on the boycotts. Money talks.
 
We will fight the good fight. I am resigned to the possibility of facing physical abuse, harm, prosecution and possible imprisonment for my faith. All of these are realistic possibilities in the Canadian future on our present course. I am pledged to defend the clergy to the best of my ability and remain loyal to the Church, and as a Catholic above all I am committed to remain loyal to Jesus Christ.

I for one am not too proud to ask for aid from our American Catholic neighbours. We may need some logistical support along the way as well as your prayer support.

It is not too late to see a change in direction. There is always hope. St. Joseph is the patron saint of Canada and I pray that he will intercede for us.
Ani Ibi is about right on the political landscape. Our choices are between bad and worse. Trying to find the best of that lot is a discouraging excercise. Realistically, a revolution might fix it, but people tend to get hurt and killed in that process.

Meantime, we may have to go underground, just like in the former Soviet Union. If there was a enough grass-roots support against religious persecution I would support and help in organizing a national strike, something like what Lech Walesa led in Poland. Solidarity! In memory of John-Paul the Great. That might get the attention of the powers that pull the levers.
 
Les Richardson:
We will fight the good fight. I am resigned to the possibility of facing physical abuse, harm, prosecution and possible imprisonment for my faith. All of these are realistic possibilities in the Canadian future on our present course. I am pledged to defend the clergy to the best of my ability and remain loyal to the Church, and as a Catholic above all I am committed to remain loyal to Jesus Christ.
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Hi Les. Where are you? I am in Toronto. I can see the writing on the wall. I could see it there years ago, but now disaster is imminent. This week I am going through my house and throwing out unnecessary stuff and putting rarely used stuff in boxes. I know I will have to flee my house and most likely my city in the very near future. The overt attacks against me because of my faith have escalated and there is no recourse in the justice system. I am having fantasies of running a hotdog stand in New York.
Les Richardson:
I for one am not too proud to ask for aid from our American Catholic neighbours. We may need some logistical support along the way as well as your prayer support.
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Support taking the following forms:
  1. Boycotts of Canadian goods and services, including tourism.
  2. Sending missionaries.
  3. Demonstrations at our embassies and at the border.
Les Richardson:
It is not too late to see a change in direction. There is always hope.
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With much sacrifice, however.
Les Richardson:
St. Joseph is the patron saint of Canada and I pray that he will intercede for us.
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St Michael the Archangel is the patron saint of Toronto.
Les Richardson:
Ani Ibi is about right on the political landscape. Our choices are between bad and worse. Trying to find the best of that lot is a discouraging excercise. Realistically, a revolution might fix it, but people tend to get hurt and killed in that process.
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Not so far in the future. One of the principal reasons we were not consumd by American Manifest Destiny was the Catholicism of Quebec. The English made ‘concessions’ to French Catholic Quebekers in order to keep Canada distinct from Protestant America. Quebec is no longer Catholic. They have never given up their desire for sovereignty. Sooner or later they will separate. When they do, the provinces will Americanize.
Les Richardson:
Meantime, we may have to go underground, just like in the former Soviet Union.
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We already have.
Les Richardson:
If there was a enough grass-roots support against religious persecution I would support and help in organizing a national strike, something like what Lech Walesa led in Poland. Solidarity! In memory of John-Paul the Great. That might get the attention of the powers that pull the levers.
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It never ceases to amaze me the originality of people’s ideas. This could work. Catholics make up the largest religious group in Canada and a sizeable group at that. A National Strike would drive home a lot of talking points, including our role in creating this country in the first place. And of course money talks louder than anything else. Organize it, dude. I’ll back you. Pope Benedict has said that Catholics should be prepared to make sacrifices including losing their jobs. He said this to Spaniards with respect to resisting the erosion of marriage in that country. Let’s talk. Perhaps start a brainstorming thread for Canadians on Catholic Answers. Ani.
 
Ani Ibi:
I know I will have to flee my house and most likely my city in the very near future. The overt attacks against me because of my faith have escalated and there is no recourse in the justice system.
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My goodness, I can’t believe things up there have gotten this bad! :eek: Let me know if you need shelter, we have a finished basement with a full bath that will serve refugees just fine–just a little south of New York here.
 
what we get in Michigan, coming across the border, is a neverending caravan of truckloads of crwasteap… and polls that say a majority of Canadian teens think the best word to describe America is evil.

ohhhhh Canadaaaaa emphasis on da
 
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what we get in Michigan, coming across the border, is a neverending caravan of truckloads of crwasteap… and polls that say a majority of Canadian teens think the best word to describe America is evil.

ohhhhh Canadaaaaa emphasis on da
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There is a lot of anti-Americanism up here. It is the easy way out. Blaming things on the Americans is a way to avoid looking at our culpability in things.
 
Ani,
if you flee, come to Cleveland.
(Or you may not have much time…we might have to smuggle Canadian Catholics in a Canadian Underground Railroad). What’s to say that the government there pass a law limiting immigration to the U.S. for those who want to leave Canada (i.e like the former Communist U.S.S.R.)

If Quebec were to vote and become their own county, then I am sure a lot of faithful Catholics would go there.

The boycotts could be a big dent in the Canadian economy, but you’d have to get support from ourside…especially those people who LOVE to gamble in your cacinos. Or boycott the Canadian side of the Falls?
 
HagiaSophia said:
"**Can’t religious leaders agree to adjust doctrine so all religions can operate within the code?" **

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I think this is the horrifying consequence of the Islamic extremist terrorists. People are getting desparate to stop the religious hate and they feel that changing all relgions to be in line with a kind of new age, “god is love and you are god” kind of thing will solve all problems.

We, as Catholics need to stand firm in our beleifs and not let modernism in the extreme push us out of the Church.
 
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