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PiousTemplar
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It was a Low Mass. Absolutely wonderful. In all honestly why did they change the Mass from the Latin… the quote comes to mind ‘Why fix what isn’t broken’…
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Boulder257
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It is beautiful, isn’t it? I think it is important to remember that while they “changed” it, they didn’t eliminate it either. The beauty is that now we get to encounter and experience the Sacrament in two forms of celebration. Pretty neat when you think about it.
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PiousTemplar
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Very true.
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TrueLight
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That’s awesome!
It took me a little while to get used to the low mass. I’m sure you’ve seen my ramblings on CAF about this.
Are you going to try a sung mass soon?
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I_Thirst
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And there are more than just two ways to celebrate the Eucharist. The Anglican Use is the newest in the West.
Additionaly, there are 22 Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with Rome – each one offers a way to celebrate the Eucharist. Experience the Catholic Church in as many ways as possible.
fyi …
ewtn.com/expert/answers/catholic_rites_and_churches.htm
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JRKH
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Glad you were moved by it. Is there a high mass available in your area as well?
The reason for the change, frankly, was because there were many who simply did not feel a real connection in the Latin mass. In the “old days” when what we call the EF was the norm, there were issues of disconnect, people having no real idea of what was going on, not following along with the prayers, going to the mass at which the priest could mumble his way through the quickest…etc.
Though I was young at the time, I was aware of such things in the adults around me and even in myself.
It was felt that the changes (facing the people and in the vernacular) would bring the community more fully into the celebration of the mass. Making it more alive to the whole of the community.
I think that initially and in many places this was true. Of course, as we all know along with “good” changes, came new abuses of the liturgy.
We continue to hope that the inclusion of the EF grows and that, by it’s influence on folks like you and me and our up and coming priests, that influence towards reverence, beauty and glory, will spill over into more proper, more reverent and more fulfilling OF masses.
Peace
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Thomas_Francis
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I went to my first few Tridentine Masses last weekend, all at a monastery. My first was on Saturday, it was a Pontifical High Mass, and then a Low Mass and Solemn High Mass on Sunday. It was absolutely wonderful, and the reverence of it all blew me away.
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Boulder257
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Yes, I certainly didn’t mean to leave anything out.
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PiousTemplar
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Hopefully! I went on a friday evening because a lady who went there - an incredibly devout lady I might add, told me about it when she visited my normal parish. I will have to squeeze a Sung Mass in some time, but at the moment I am serving at my parish on both Satuday Vigil and Sunday morning Mass.
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PiousTemplar
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Thanks for all that info!
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PiousTemplar
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It did to me too. The reverence was just amazing!
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TrueLight
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My first mass was a high mass. God knows how much of a sinner I am and how I would need something really mind-blowing to propel me into Catholicism.
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NewsTheMan
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The jealousy I feel right now is borderline sinful 
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AntiqueCatholic
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If you think the Roman Catholic mass is a mystical rite aimed at pleasing a powerful god and getting benefits from him, then the changes made after the 1920’s make no sense.
If you think it’s a community celebration aimed at edifying the congregation, then they do.
If you think you can have it both ways, retaining the effect of something sacred while having laypeople in civvies in the holy place, handling the sacred object and doing it in the native language, then you are going to be wringing your hands and making apologia for the latest innovations.
The TLM: attend it in peace.
If you think it’s a community celebration aimed at edifying the congregation, then they do.
If you think you can have it both ways, retaining the effect of something sacred while having laypeople in civvies in the holy place, handling the sacred object and doing it in the native language, then you are going to be wringing your hands and making apologia for the latest innovations.
The TLM: attend it in peace.
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christosdavid
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I like the sung mass, especially when its polyphonic and written by Vittoria or of course Mozart…
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roadsend
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Interesting that with all of these well meaning changes, the percentage of folks who attend Mass weekly has dropped from 80% to what it is today.
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roadsend
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That is great for the folks who have reasonable access to the TLM, the Anglican Use and the 22 Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with Rome.
The overwhelming majority of us in the northwestern U.S. have only the OF usually accompanied by numerous abuses as well as OCP pop-slop.
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promethius
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All true, but I would posit that the problem with that is the secularist militancy and materialism ravaging the west. Mass attendance in the East and in Africa is at record highs… following the changes in the mass.
In other words, we have to recognize that it is either NOT the fault of the OF that the west is failing, or we have to likewise give credit to the OF for the explosion in the east and the fact that there are now more catholics attending mass (and in fact, if we count the east, there are likely more catholics attending mass every week today than there were catholics worldwide in the '50s).
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promethius
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Very astutely framed!
The question is why… was it a result of the OF, or was it the result of the conservative (and so called “loyal”) clergy who abandoned the priesthood rather than celebrate the new form? Could the sedevacantism of many orthodox catholics have had an effect?
I would posit that the abuses that came along would not have been NEARLY so sweeping had the church not lost much of its anchoring force by so-called loyal catholics showing their true colors in their disobedience.
I certainly agree with the sentiment and hope for the same, but I think it more important that we realize that it is not specifically the form of a liturgy that gives it worth or protects it from abuse either. I went to an EF mass just this last weekend and it had some of the most grave abuses and mispractices I have ever seen in any mass. Reverence is not based in the form of the liturgy, but in the people and the leadership of the parish (which it gets, hopefully, from the leadership of its bishop).
The problem is disobedience in both local abuses and in the perceived “degeneration” of the OF… when we fail to be obedient, we fail to uphold the liturgy.
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asd72
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I am going to try and go to the Brompton Oratory which is near to me. to the Extraordinary Form Mass and to hear some traditional Catholic music.
I really have no idea of Catholic music, we have no instruments, choirs or hymns at my Parish, although we sometimes sing the Mass.
I really have no idea of Catholic music, we have no instruments, choirs or hymns at my Parish, although we sometimes sing the Mass.
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