Were masses cancelled because of the Spanish Flu (or other epidemics)?

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With all of the masses being cancelled all over the place due to the Coronavirus, I was curious as to what times this occurred in the past. The most recent major outbreak I can think of is the Spanish Flu. Were there closures of church back then in the way we’re seeing now?
 
Almost anyone old enough to remember is dead, and if there is any information on it, I suspect you could find it on the web.
 
In St. Louis, the city that most successfully dealt with the Spanish flu because of its aggressive action, churches were closed and the people were dispensed from the Sunday obligation.

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The following day, he closed churches for the first time
in the city’s history. That earned him the ire of Archbishop John Glennon, who protested that decision, but he eventually temporarily suspended the weekly Mass obligation for Catholics.
 
From the research I’ve been able to do, it appears that closures were not voluntary but imposed by the government. There was much resistance and defiance when it came to Mass on Sundays unlike today when bishops have slammed shut the churches, banned the Mass for the laity, and limited, if not eliminated, the sacraments. What we have today is basically a flu variant with a slightly elevated death rate than the normal flu. This contrasts sharply with the Spanish flu which was indeed deadly, yet Catholics still went to Mass unless forced out of the churches by the goverment.
 
From the research I’ve been able to do, it appears that closures were not voluntary but imposed by the government. There was much resistance and defiance when it came to Mass on Sundays unlike today when bishops have slammed shut the churches, banned the Mass for the laity, and limited, if not eliminated, the sacraments. What we have today is basically a flu variant with a slightly elevated death rate than the normal flu. This contrasts sharply with the Spanish flu which was indeed deadly, yet Catholics still went to Mass unless forced out of the churches by the goverment.
Slightly elevated? The flu has a death rate of 0.002% in the US. (Source) According to this, the Coronavirus has a death rate of 209 out of 13,859, or 1.5%. A death rate that’s 750 times larger is hardly “slightly elevated.” (And note this is the US–it’s worse in some countries, most notably Italy where the death rate is at 8.3%). Even if we accept, as some have claimed, that the death rate in the US is actually lower because we haven’t been able to count people who have such mild cases they weren’t tested, you’d have to have a crazy amount of the population to be infected already for it to qualify as only “slightly elevated” compared to the flu. (not to mention that if it spreads too much, we end up with overcrowded hospitals which mean less effective medical treatment which of course ups the mortality rate)
 
From the research I’ve been able to do, it appears that closures were not voluntary but imposed by the government. There was much resistance and defiance when it came to Mass on Sundays unlike today when bishops have slammed shut the churches, banned the Mass for the laity, and limited, if not eliminated, the sacraments. What we have today is basically a flu variant with a slightly elevated death rate than the normal flu. This contrasts sharply with the Spanish flu which was indeed deadly, yet Catholics still went to Mass unless forced out of the churches by the goverment.
Your research seems limited to what snapshots you can find to bash our Church. Did you not know that Spanish flu came in 3 waves over 3 years precisely because it took a while to figure out that strict isolation reduced transmission and stopped flareups.
 
From the research I’ve been able to do, it appears that closures were not voluntary but imposed by the government. There was much resistance and defiance when it came to Mass on Sundays unlike today when bishops have slammed shut the churches, banned the Mass for the laity, and limited, if not eliminated, the sacraments.
That speaks very well of today’s bishops. Thank God for them!
 
appears that closures were not voluntary but imposed by the government. There was much resistance and defiance when it came to Mass on Sundays unlike today
Back then, laity were united with the bishops, and were ready, if absolutely necessary, to resist and defy government, and the secular media, if need be.

Today, the Secular culture urges Catholics to resist and defy their bishops. Some of this comes from obviously secular sources. In addition there’s a whole new industry of websites that appear Catholic, but are not in union with the Church. 90 percent of their content is questioning the bishops, blaming the bishops for almost all the evils.
 
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churches were closed and the people were dispensed from the Sunday obligation.
Was that the last time we were given this dispensation before this?
This sort of worldwide pandemic is a once in 100 year event but there’s been cause for Church closures or sporadic availability of Mass in different regions for different reasons such as during the blitz in London and around Europe during WWII. Mass vaccination has made disease epidemics a rare thing in the 20th century and beyond.
 
As more cases are identified, the percentage of deaths is declining. Your figure of 1.7% death rate is half of what it was reported to be last week. The highest death rates are among the elderly and those with other underlying health issues. This is why the death rate is so high in Italy; it has one of the highest percentages of elderly in the world. And is the reaction to this virus overdone? Some in the scientific community are starting to think so. There is a thoughtful article on this topic at statnews online for your consideration. It is the “First Opinion” article for 3/17/2020.

Is it necessary to destroy economies and people’s livelihoods because of what we think might happen? Where is our faith?
 
Yet the Mass was not eliminated. We seem to care more for our health than heaven.
As an unconditionally prolife Catholic, I don’t get this double standard that is manifesting in the traditionalist sphere. Human beings are creatures endowed with such dignity that even the lives of sick and the old are as important as the young and the healthy. Personally I’ve gone to Mass every Sunday at the very least for 58 years. Like the Priests and bishops, this in not an opportunity to skip Mass and get out of ones duties. It comes from a genuine concern for lives that matter. Preventing transmission by isolation is a sacrifice and an act of charity.
 
In the past, there have always been wars when many Catholics were sent away from the Mass and sacraments for long periods of time. The Church did its best to provide chaplains but knew they could not serve all.

In this pandemic everyone is a soldier. We know far more about epidemiology than in prior plagues. The concentration and mobility of the population is far greater than a century ago. The risk of harm by having congregations now is far greater.
 
You have to admit that the laity are getting jaded
When someone says they are jaded, that’s admitting they aren’t thinking clearly and objectively on this particular issue because their mind is clouded by other things.

Maybe it’s clouded by hearing prior things about the bishops. But in addition it’s also clouded by the media. We live in an anti religious authority culture, both obviously secular media as well as the newer websites, which raise money by criticizing bishops.

If there are more jaded, there are far more jaders out there.

No website ever raised money by criticizing Laity. If I consider the few hundred Laity I am familiar with, they (or we) appear worse than what I know about the US bishops, who also aren’t perfect, a few of them deplorable. As are many Laity.

But Church Militant, etc can’t make any money off criticizing laity. If they’re going to complete with OnePeterFive, Remnant, or the other bishop bashers, they gotta out lurid them.
 
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In the past, there have always been wars when many Catholics were sent away from the Mass and sacraments for long periods of time. The Church did its best to provide chaplains but knew they could not serve all.

In this pandemic everyone is a soldier. We know far more about epidemiology than in prior plagues. The concentration and mobility of the population is far greater than a century ago. The risk of harm by having congregations now is far greater.
Very well said
 
Since when did we have the constitutional right to the mass? Or to communion? We live in such a “I have my rights!”, consumer driven, self-satisfying culture that we try to sneak around prudent decisions for the sake of “rights” or personal desires, or legalism, or simply to make a point.

How utterly selfish, even arrogant! Millions are sick, thousands are dying from an unseen, almost completely unknown enemy. Only its via of transmission is known and when action is taken to interrupt that, the laity rises up in indignation!

No wonder we are in such terrible shape.
 
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Since when did we have the constitutional right to the mass? Or to communion? We live in such a “I have my rights!”, consumer driven, self-satisfying culture that we try to sneak around prudent decisions for the sake of “rights” or personal desires, or legalism, or simply to make a point.

How utterly selfish, even arrogant! Millions are sick, thousands are dying from an unseen, almost completely unknown enemy. Only its via of transmission is known and when action is taken to interrupt that, the laity rises up in indignation!

No wonder we are in such terrible shape.
Agreed. I live in Brooklyn and all of NYC is being hit with this especially hard right now. I though this was overhyped until about a week ago. Since then I’m taking it extremely seriously and have sheltered in place since my job allowed us to work from home. I’m still amazed at the people cavalierly going about like nothing is wrong and making the problem worse. The quicker we unite on this the faster it will be over. Some self sacrifice is necessary. I think the problem is that they can’t immediately see the effects. I’ve lived here through the blackout, the transit strike, Sandy and people reacted because they saw the immediate effect. With this I don’t know maybe because they can’t see it, they are in denial.

All that to say, I miss Mass but it’s not worth endangering myself, someone else or prolonging this for. I trust the bishops that decided this. I trust my parish priests who are providing liturgy virtually.
 
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