Were masses cancelled because of the Spanish Flu (or other epidemics)?

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It’s statistics. It does not diminish the tragedy. It does highlight that those most vulnerable need to take more precautions.
 
And what about the ICU admission rate? Even if the true rate is half what is reported, it will still saturate ICU capacity.

No math degree here, but a degree in chemistry. So my math isn’t too bad either…
 
SueinsoCal said:
It’s statistics. It does not diminish the tragedy. It does highlight that those most vulnerable need to take more precautions.
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You bet. And the best precautions they can take are making sure the rest of us don’t go out in public and spread the disease during a pandemic. I may not have a math degree – but I do have one in theology. Sometimes, it’s not just about the statistics.
 
SueinsoCal said:
It’s statistics. It does not diminish the tragedy. It does highlight that those most vulnerable need to take more precautions.
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It’s mind blowing that even Communist China saw fit to lock down the country to protect the vulnerable and yet traditionalists in the US are basically saying meh let the vulnerable sort themselves out!
 
Probably local emergencies like hurricane and wildfire evacuations, blizzards.
 
You sound like a Jesuit. Faith and reason go hand in hand - inseparable.

Faith withour reason is radical Islam. Reason without faith is Soviet Communism. There is a better, a third way.
 
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Does anyone know how to get unlisted, unsubscribed, removed, whatever, from Catholic Answers
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After turning off notifications, log out of your account and don’t log in again. Your posts will remain as you agreed to that upon signing up but after logging out, you never need see CAF again! Hope that helps.
 
MikeInVA said:
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Since when did we have the constitutional right to the mass?
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Since the First Amendment.
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The Free Exercise Clause does not prohibit the government from enacting policies that restrict religious practice so long as the policies are meeting a legitimate government goal (“compelling interest”) and are not enacted with the specific goal of targeting the religious practices.

This has been repeatedly affirmed by Supreme Court justices of all ideological stripes. Obviously, there has been disagreement as to what laws do count as meeting those requirements, but there has never been disagreement that you can enact laws that restrict someone’s right to practice their religion so long as they’re enacted for a legitimate purpose and the affecting of religious practice is incidental and not the target.

For example, a jihadist’s free exercise of religion would be outlawed by laws making murder a crime, but one would hardly argue that is a violation of the Free Exercise Clause.
 
Thank you. I wanted completely out of the system but I guess that’s the best I can get.
 
I think that when all the data is in and analyzed, we’ll see that the numbers were overstated. ICU admission rates could be higher for any number of reasons such as hospitals becoming hyper-cautious.
 
Should we do the same for other flu virus outbreaks? The rate of death for the elderly and those with compromised health is higher with all corona viruses. Just something to think about. I’m leaving the forum so I won’t know what you think but this COVID-19 scare will die down as the virus runs its course. I’m pretty sure when all the data is in and analysed it will prove to have been much less of a threat than was thought. Good bye and God bless you all!
 
I’m not sure that will end up being the case. This virus causes sudden respiratory distress in a significant proportion of cases. My father-in-law died of it years ago, from another cause. It’s sudden and a serious medical emergency requiring intubation and intensive care.

The death rate from COVID-19 confirmed cases is over 10% in Italy, but less than 1% in Germany. The Italian case should be a serious warning to everyone of what happens when a country’s ICU capacity is overwhelmed. It’s reached the point in Italy that if you need critical care and you’re over 60, you’re largely out of luck regardless of whether you have the virus or some other critical condition. If it is the virus, you die alone drowning in your own body fluids, and multiple organ failure. It is not a pleasant way to go.

You cannot treat this as a simple mathematical analysis absent of the epidemiological considerations, health care system capacity, moral and ethical issues and simple human decency (something we as Catholics are commanded to).
 
In how many flu outbreaks were entire nations running out of enough respirators to keep people alive?
 
I recently read an article about the 1918 flu in Ireland that stated Mass was suspended. The article also stated that Catholics were more likely than Protestants to fall ill due to Catholics having a higher rate of church attendance.
 
I have faith, but I’m not going to go out of my way to catch COVID-19 to test my faith. I’ll listen to the health experts and self-quarantine. I have faith, but I also have reason
 
Stalin said that a million deaths are a statistic while one death is a tragedy. I usually don’t go grounding quoting Stalin, but there it is…
 
I agree with you. My wife, her elderly parents, her two even more elderly living grandmothers, many of her relatives, my relatives, oh, and myself all have underlying health conditions. Yes, many in both our families have underlying illnesses, and most of us aren’t taking any risks by coming into contact with others who may have the virus.
 
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