Again, if Messiah came to replace the Law why did He follow any of the Jewish customs/holy days, etc.???
Peitho - I will pray for your friends father and I ask all on this board to do the same. May God speak through you if you have a chance to speak with him and may your words enlighten his mind.
The covenants are God’s covenants made with Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Christ. Christ is the “new and everlasting” covenant.
They cannot accept the "words literally because if they did they would realise that they have left the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Church founded on Peter and the Apostles. The Church which holds the Keys to the Kingdom. The Church with the priesthood which has been left in charge of bringing to earth Jesus and giving Him to us to feed us for the journey.I have read the words of John 6 many many times and it is a mystery to me why our non Catholic Christian friends of whatever stripe:shrug would not come to the conclusion that Christ meant exactly what He said…over and over. People who put so much emphasis on reading and studying the Bible ( including my own family ) will not see the meaning of Christ’s words because, it seems, it is outside the realm of their understanding and teaching. " We believe every word of the Bible…literally." I have heard those words spoken by many non Catholics but when it comes time to take the words literally…what happens…" This is a hard saying…who can accept." and they walk away…go figure.
Anybody who can explain this …please do.
Amen!
The Holy Spirit is working toward unity, one step at a time. Witness: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3247655&postcount=1But then he also said that we aren’t supposed to teach Jews they can abandon Torah, it will stand until heaven and earth pass when everything is complete. So if someone wants to say they are a Jew they still need to observe Torah, if not then they can be Gentiles and do a few things stated in Acts 15.
Again, why would G-d say they are an EVERLASTING ordinance if they were only to be for a period of time and then abolished?
Why would G-d expressly command His people NOT to eat/drink blood, and then later say, “Go ahead, drink blood.” G-d is not capricious. Neither does He contradict Himself.
Actually, it’s the other way around. Those disciples left because they DID take His words literally. Now based on your own logic, who did those disgruntled “ex-disciples” prefigure?
So because I reject transubstantiation I am not Christian?
But no Jew is “under” Torah today . You grossly error if you teach them that they are.
You are absolutely correct. Let’s listen to the prophet: Isaiah 43:18-20 “Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it? I am making a way in the desert and streams in the wasteland. The wild animals honor me, the jackals and the owls, because I provide water in the desert and streams in the wasteland, to give drink to my people, my chosen…”
Do not condemn yourself! If you are validly baptized into the Body of Christ, you are Christian. We consider you a separated brother in Christ, and we love you as a brother. We simply call you to the fulness of truth. If you are delighted with the partiality of the truth, just imagine how blissful the fulness is.
If their belief was a simple misunderstanding, why would Christ, who taught orally and corrected error as he taught, allow them to leave? This train of thought tends to make Christ appear either heartless, or as a charlatan. You can rest assured that neither is true.
Christ explains why He let them leave, and, why, in fact, they did leave in Jn 6:64-65:**John 6:64-65
One point: the Eucharist. Roman Catholicism teaches that the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ, even though polls indicate that most Catholics, at least in this country, don't believe in this dogma. Personally, I find it somewhat gross that we would consume body and blood at communion. It smacks of mystery cults that flourished during the time of Christ - like Mithraism and such - where the faithful could become like god by consuming god through such cultic practices.
I believe that Christ is in the elements at communion but only as Christ is everywhere - in church, in school, here with me at my computer, etc. The Holy Spirit is everywhere - in front of us, behind us, under and over us, and within us.
On the other hand, if most Catholics want to believe that Christ is offered up as a sacrifice in each mass, so be it. Protestants value their freedom of belief, and they differ among themselves. Some see communion as simply a memorial. Others find Christ in a special way during communion because they open their hearts more fully at such times. I believe Lutherans talk of consubstantiation. Etc.
Frankly, I think it must grieve God that we argue over such things. When Jesus was asked point-blank how to inherit eternal life, he said nothing about the Eucharist but only that we must love God and one another - then illustrated it with the parable of the Good Samaritan. This debating of doctrine is interesting but should be done in an atmosphere of mutual respect without arrogance and condemnation. We are members of the same family and should rejoice in this.You didn’t answer my question. Based on YOUR logic, who are the one’s prefigured in John six?