Were there any non-Catholic Bibles before the Protestant Reformation?

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I’m a Bible Christian thinking about becoming a Catholic. My Protestant friends tell me the Catholic Bible can’t be trusted. I think the KJV was the first English language Bible written in 1611 but were there any non-Catholic Bibles in any language before the Protestant Reformation?
 
You have to say what you mean by ‘Bible’. If you mean ‘collections of scripture considered authoritative by faith groups which considered themselves Catholic’, then yes, most Christian groups (name any ‘heresy) had such collections. Indeed the decision on which books were canonical was made in part to exclude these other groups’ books. Remember that the reformation was in part enabled and in part driven by the development of printing. Before that all books were rare and absurdly expensive (think mainframe computer in the 1960s v an iphone today). There were English Bibles (e.g. Wycliffe) before the KJV0. There were also translations into old and middle English, and saga-style stories in those languages based on the bible. I recommend you watch some Youtube lectures or read Bart d. Ehrman for an introduction. He is an agnostic Bible expert.
 
I don’t know the answer to the question for sure but i would have to say yes, because the Orthodox have more books in the bible than Catholics. So i would assume the Orthodox had a diferent bible they used.
 
I’m a Bible Christian thinking about becoming a Catholic. My Protestant friends tell me the Catholic Bible can’t be trusted. I think the KJV was the first English language Bible written in 1611 but were there any non-Catholic Bibles in any language before the Protestant Reformation?
It was at the time of the Reformation that Martin Luther decided to exclude six books of the Bible. He almost excluded James because James said “Faith without works is dead.”

Your Protestant friends have been taught many things about Catholics that are untrue.
 
I’m a Bible Christian thinking about becoming a Catholic. My Protestant friends tell me the Catholic Bible can’t be trusted. I think the KJV was the first English language Bible written in 1611 but were there any non-Catholic Bibles in any language before the Protestant Reformation?
Short answer: No there was no non-Catholic ‘Bibles’ circulating that we would recognise as the Bible.

Long Answer: Yes, heretical movements throughout the West (I am unsure about the East, our Orthodox brothers would have to educate me in the struggles of the East) had collections of Scripture. However many of them were heavily edited Catholic Bibles, or already condemned (and non accepted) Canons. Also if you mean ‘non-commissioned’ Catholic Bibles, there were English Bibles that did not have permission to be printed or translated, most of them were highly erroneous in their translations
 
To clarify, I mean were there any non-Catholic translations before the Reformation.

Here’s what I mean by differences:

Matthew 5:32
Protestant - “whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery (NKJV)”

Catholic - “whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery (NAB)”

The Protestant translations says if your wife cheats on you, then you are able to get a divorce. The Catholic translation says you can’t. You can only annul a marriage that was never valid.
 
Probably because like i said before the Orthodox have more books in their bible, but most of the tranlation would have been similar, as most of there beliefs are the same as Catholics, unlike Protestants tranlations.
 
the bible was in latin and almost always there was a copy of a bible in a native tongue.

as for english translations:

Yet we may safely assert, and we can prove, that there were actually in existence among the people many copies of the Scriptures in the English tongue of that day. To begin far back, we have a copy of the work of Caedmon, a monk of Whitby, in the end of the seventh century, consisting of great portions of the Bible in the common tongue. In the next century we have the well-known translations of Venerable Bede, a monk of Jarrow, who died whilst busy with the Gospel of St. John. In the same (eighth) century we have the copies of Eadhelm, Bishop of Sherborne; of Guthlac, a hermit near Peterborough; and of Egbert, Bishop of Holy Island; these were all in Saxon, the language understood and spoken by the Christians of that time. Coming down a little later, we have the free translations of King Alfred the Great who was working at the Psalms when he died, and of Aelfric, Archbishop of Canterbury; as well as popular renderings of Holy Scripture like the Book of Durham, and the Rushworth Gloss and others that have survived the wreck of ages. After the Norman conquest in 1066, Anglo-Norman or Middle-English became the language of England, and consequently the next translations of the Bible we meet with are in that tongue. There are several specimens still known, such as the paraphrase of Orm (about 1150) and the Salus Animae (1050), the translations of William Shoreham and Richard Rolle, hermit of Hampole (died 1349). I say advisedly ‘specimens’ for those that have come down to us are merely indications of a much greater number that once existed, but afterwards perished. We have proof of this in the words of Blessed Thomas More, Lord Chancellor of England under Henry VIII who says: ‘The whole Bible long before Wycliff’s day was by virtuous and well-learned men translated into the English tongue, and by good and godly people with devotion and soberness well and reverently read’ (Dialogues III). Again, ‘The clergy keep no Bibles from the laity but such translations as be either not yet approved for good, or such as be already reproved for naught (i.e., bad, naughty) as Wycliff’s was. For, as for old ones that were before Wycliff’s days, they remain lawful and be in some folks’ hand. I myself have seen, and can show you, Bibles, fair and old which have been known and seen by the Bishop of the Diocese, and left in laymen’s hands and women’s too, such as he knew for good and Catholic folk, that used them with soberness and devotion.’
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EDIT : yes there was Gnostic and arian bibles and some other bible but they were largly heretical and easily disproved by history and hermanutics
 
I’m a Bible Christian thinking about becoming a Catholic. My Protestant friends tell me the Catholic Bible can’t be trusted. I think the KJV was the first English language Bible written in 1611 but were there any non-Catholic Bibles in any language before the Protestant Reformation?
I’d be curious to know why your friends think that the “Catholic” bible is not to be trusted…And which of the many “Catholic” bible translations they might be referring to.

While the NAB might be the “official” English translation in as much as it is the one used in the mass, it is hardly the only one available.

Any Bible that contains the Imprimatur and Nihil obstat would be completely acceptable and using more than one translation can be quite educational in understanding subtle differences in translation from the Greek or the Hebrew.

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It was at the time of the Reformation that Martin Luther decided to exclude six books of the Bible. He almost excluded James because James said “Faith without works is dead.”

Your Protestant friends have been taught many things about Catholics that are untrue.
Just to clarify, Martin Luther segregated the books, considering them to be non-inspired, but left them between the covers of his bible. Other men later removed them altogether.
 
I’m a Bible Christian thinking about becoming a Catholic. My Protestant friends tell me the Catholic Bible can’t be trusted. I think the KJV was the first English language Bible written in 1611 but were there any non-Catholic Bibles in any language before the Protestant Reformation?
The bible is a Catholic Book. It was preserved and passed in pristine form down through the ages from the time of Christ. The only non-Catholic Christians before the reformation were the Orthodox, who used essentially the same Bible.
 
I’m a Bible Christian thinking about becoming a Catholic. My Protestant friends tell me the Catholic Bible can’t be trusted. I think the KJV was the first English language Bible written in 1611 but were there any non-Catholic Bibles in any language before the Protestant Reformation?
A readable short history on the Bible…catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/wbible.htm

The Bible, as you know it today…the canon was first defined in AD382 by Pope Damasus. He later commissioned St. Jerome to translate the writings in Latin…which became the Latin Vulgate, completed around AD390 or so…this was Christian bible…till the protestant reformation started tinkering with the Bible.

So, all translations were based on the Catholic Latin Vulgate…so your friends bible translation came from the Catholic church.
 
A readable short history on the Bible…catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/wbible.htm

The Bible, as you know it today…the canon was first defined in AD382 by Pope Damasus. He later commissioned St. Jerome to translate the writings in Latin…which became the Latin Vulgate, completed around AD390 or so…this was Christian bible…till the protestant reformation started tinkering with the Bible.

So, all translations were based on the Catholic Latin Vulgate…so your friends bible translation came from the Catholic church.
Just to say, Pope St Athanasius of Alexandria was the first to define the Canon as we know it in 367AD. Pope St Damasus of Rome accepted the Canon as defined by the Second Synod of Carthage, the Synod of Hippo & the Council of Rome (which I speculate knew of the Canon as defined by St Athanasius of Alexandria) which was then given to St Jerome for translation.

However I do note the Synod of Hippo decreed that the Canon was ‘pending approval from the Church across the Sea’ which would be the Apostolic See of Rome.

Just a small correction 😉
 
I’m a Bible Christian thinking about becoming a Catholic. My Protestant friends tell me the Catholic Bible can’t be trusted. I think the KJV was the first English language Bible written in 1611 but were there any non-Catholic Bibles in any language before the Protestant Reformation?
That depends on what you mean by a “non-catholic” Bible. If you mean an incomplete canon which has the 7 deuterocanon texts removed, then even the KJV would have been considered a “catholic” Bible in that regard. The 7 deuterocanon were only moved to the end of the Bible, not removed until after all the original reformers had passed away.

As to other English language Bibles, or just vernacular Bibles in general, there were MANY written before the KJV. Several of them were good copies, and several were unauthorized works that were so rife with error that they introduced horrendous blasphemy (and, in cases, even said things vile towards God because they were such poor works). Initially one of these, the Bishops Bible, served as a basis for the translation of the KJV, and early copies of the KJV still included many of the bishop’s bibles’ errors (although future revisions removed them). This sparked the translation and creation of the douey-rhiems bible (which Catholics generally regard as one of the best translations available). Another gravely flawed version was the tyndale Bible… produced by a rogue Catholic employee with such little translation skill that his Bible was put on a burn on site list for it’s grievous errors. Another common error riddled text was the wycliff bible.

Partial translations include the hexateuch, the wessex gospels, the book of psalms, the Gospel of John (as translated by the venerable Bede), Lindisfarne Gospels, and the ormulum.

In other words, the church has NEVER been against translating the Bible into vernacular (provided it was done WELL) and almost immediately after English became a language known to the church there was work to begin translating the Bible into English. 🙂
 
I’m a Bible Christian thinking about becoming a Catholic. My Protestant friends tell me the Catholic Bible can’t be trusted. I think the KJV was the first English language Bible written in 1611 but were there any non-Catholic Bibles in any language before the Protestant Reformation?
The KJV was NOT the first English translation of the Bible.

The Douay-Rheims (an excellent Catholic bible) was the first English translation of the Bible.
 
thistle is absolutely correct (not that he/she needs my confirmation of that fact 🙂 )

The KJV actually USED as a “base” the Duoay Rheims (the first english translation of the existing Latin manuscripts that had been handed down for several hundred years).

Most Protestants don’t know that fact, and those who do, do not like to admit it. But “honest” protestant biblical scholars acknowledge what thistle said as indeed true.
 
Just to clarify, Martin Luther segregated the books, considering them to be non-inspired, but left them between the covers of his bible. Other men later removed them altogether.
Thank you for the clarification.
 
There were at least three other English translation Bibles preceding the Douay Rheims Bible and the King James Bible that were produced by “reformers”. The first English translation was the Tyndale Bible, published throughout the 1520’s. However, it was never completed, so I’m not sure it can be officially counted as a Bible. The second Bible was the so called Great Bible authorized by King Henry and published in 1539. The other Bible is the Geneva Bible…I’m surprised there hasn’t been more talk about that Bible on this thread. It was first published in 1560 and was instantly very popular. Both of the second works were heavily influenced by Tyndale’s work.

I haven’t researched a lot about these Bibles but I know the Catholic Church considered them flawed and banned at least some of them from being read by the laity. Some protestants use that as some sort of reproach for the Church saying that the Church didn’t want the laity to know the Scriptures. This is not true. The Geneva Bible is very flawed with anti-Catholic bias which the authors added to the Scriptures. For example, Rev11:7 in the Geneva Bible says “The beast that cometh out of the bottomless pit is the Pope, which hath his power out of hell and cometh thence” I think it also refers to the pope as the anti-Christ in Rev 17. As an opinion, I can only say that these additions poisoned the protestant movement even after they were removed out of the KJV which became a more popular version. They were never part of the Word of God, yet were added to fuel hatred toward the Church. Interestingly, all three of those Bibles contain the deuterocanonical books but considered them apocryphal. It was only in the later KJV that we see them completely removed.

Lastly, I know that Martin Luther’s German Bible was complete in 1534. I don’t know much about it except that he used the recent 1516 critical Greek edition of Erasmus, a text which was later called texts receipts. He was also a friend of Tyndale.
 
The KJV was NOT the first English translation of the Bible.

The Douay-Rheims (an excellent Catholic bible) was the first English translation of the Bible.
I like the Douay. It is a translation from the Vulgata Clementina, isn’t it?
 
Just to say, Pope St Athanasius of Alexandria was the first to define the Canon as we know it in 367AD. Pope St Damasus of Rome accepted the Canon as defined by the Second Synod of Carthage, the Synod of Hippo & the Council of Rome (which I speculate knew of the Canon as defined by St Athanasius of Alexandria) which was then given to St Jerome for translation.

However I do note the Synod of Hippo decreed that the Canon was ‘pending approval from the Church across the Sea’ which would be the Apostolic See of Rome.

Just a small correction 😉
Further clarification…:D…St Athanasius was the bishop of alexandria…his festal letter would have prevailed only within his see…and would not have universalality. It was only when Pope Damasus, after the Council of Rome, in his proclamation, would the canon resulting from the Council would be used universally.

I do not think there were any questions as to what would constitute the Bible canon after AD382 and when Jerome completed the LV.
 
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