Western Wall site of a Satanic Ritual?

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The following video was brought to my attention “Satan at the Wailing Wall” (youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ).

I wonder if anyone better educated on these matters than myself could comment on the historical accuracy of the following claims made in the video:
  1. That the Western Wall is not a remnant of the Second Temple but is rather the remains of an ancient Roman fortress named Fort Antonia which was built north of the original Temple site; and that the rock on which the Dome of the Rock was built was actually the centerpiece of Fort Antonia.
  2. That the Western Wall is the seat of a satanic ritual outlined by the 13th century Jewish occult system known as the Kabbalah, as expounded in the Zohar and expanded upon by the 18th century Hasidic movement.
  3. That the alleged divine presence at the Western Wall is actually the Kabbalistic feminine emanation of the shekhinah.
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Sounds pretty wacky Hans. I wouldn’t buy into everything that is on YouTube.
Whether its the actual Temple wall or a Roman fort, one has to ask what the purpose of the video is?
Old rocks have no power in them.
 
The human condition is often plagued with an unhealthy degree of fear, suspicion, mistrust
and religious bias.

As for the Western Wall, it is part of the wall that **surrounded **the Temple and the Temple Mount.

After 1967, archaeologists found that the wall extended all the way around the Temple Mount and is part of the city wall near the Lion’s Gate. Thus, the Western Wall is not the only remaining part of the Temple Mount. Currently, Robinson’s Arch (named after American Edward Robinson) remains as the beginning of an arch that spanned the gap between the top of the platform and the higher ground farther away. This had been used by the priests as an entrance. Commoners had entered through the still-extant, but now plugged, gates on the southern side which led through beautiful colonnades to the top of the platform. One of these colonnades is still extant and reachable through the Temple Mount. The Southern wall was designed as a grand entrance. Recent archeological digs have found thousands of mikvehs (ceremonial bathtubs) for the ritual purification of the worshipers, as well as a grand stairway leading to the now blocked entrance. Inside the walls, the platform was supported by a series of vaulted archways, now called Solomon’s Stables, which still exist and whose current renovation by the Waqf is extremely controversial. The temple itself was constructed of imported white marble that gleamed in the daylight.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple

shalom
 
HansTrappist said:
Here is what I found on Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah) regarding the second claim which you say is not correct:

“Kabbalah, also spelled Cabala or Qabbālâ etc. (different transliterations now tend to denote alternative traditions, Hebrew: קַבָּלָה‎ literally “receiving/tradition”), is an esoteric method, discipline and school of thought. Its definition varies according to the tradition and aims of those following it, from its religious origin as an integral part of Judaism, to its later Christian, New Age, or Occultist syncretic adaptations. Kabbalah** is a set of esoteric teachings** meant to explain the relationship between an unchanging, eternal and mysterious Ein Sof (no end) and the mortal and finite universe (his creation).”

Now, I don’t need to check Wikipedia to know what Esotericism or the Occult are. They are a set of beliefs connected to the ancient mystery religions which our Early Church Fathers condemned. They are just a fancy name for Satanism.

In authentic Judaism - the Judaism of the Old Testament and Moses and Abraham and Adam (not the Judaism of “the Kabbalah”) - Satan was always evil. Who do you think the serpent who tempted Adam was? An “angel in the service of God.” Such a claim is an insult and a offense to the Old and New Testaments.
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You must read carefully what you quoted about Kabbalah from Wikipedia, which states that: “its definition VARIES ACCORDING TO THE TRADITION AND AIMS of those following it, from its religious origin as an INTEGRAL PART of Judaism, to its later Christian, New Age, and OCCULTIST SYNCRETIC ADAPTATIONS.” The definition distinguishes between the meaning of Kabbalah for Jews and Christians, as well as New Age and Occultist ADAPTATIONS. The latter signifies the meaning of the Kabbalah was interpreted in different ways by occultists, who used it for their own purposes. This is NOT the way Hasidic Jews interpret the Kabbalah. The latter use it, in conjunction with the Talmud, to better understand the meaning of the Torah in the Hebrew Bible. It has NO Satanic meaning for Hasidic Jews or any other denomination of Jews in the modern age or throughout the history of the Kabbalah. And I repeat that, for Judaism, Satan assumes different roles, including that of the Tempter of humans in order to test our free will and love of G-d; the role of the Angel of Death; and that of the Accuser in the Heavenly Tribunal, who requires us to defend the righteousness of our lives before G-d. Satan is not a fallen angel who revolted against G-d, according to Jewish belief. The very idea that another entity could be powerful enough to defy G-d to such an extent is too much for Jews to credit.
 
As dshix says…🍿 lol

You can relate the Western Wall to many Christian sites throughout the world. We can never really know for sure if The Church of the Holy Sepulchre or The Church of the Nativity are actually the true sites of the events. Our faith tells us yes and we believe that by going there, we become closer to God.

Western Wall has that same effect. IMO, whether it is part of the Second Temple or a Roman fort, it is a place where people come to and desire to connect with God. If Satan is at the Western Wall, he is failing badly lol.
 
HansTrappist said:
The following video was brought to my attention “Satan at the Wailing Wall” (youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ).

I wonder if anyone better educated on these matters than myself could comment on the historical accuracy of the following claims made in the video:
  1. That the Western Wall is not a remnant of the Second Temple but is rather the remains of an ancient Roman fortress named Fort Antonia which was built north of the original Temple site; and that the rock on which the Dome of the Rock was built was actually the centerpiece of Fort Antonia.
  2. That the Western Wall is the seat of a satanic ritual outlined by the 13th century Jewish occult system known as the Kabbalah, as expounded in the Zohar and expanded upon by the 18th century Hasidic movement.
  3. That the alleged divine presence at the Western Wall is actually the Kabbalistic feminine emanation of the shekhinah.
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If you check out the websites of Brother Nathanael Kapner:

realjewnews.com/

brothernathanaelfoundation.org/

you will discover that according to him, the root of all evil and the cause of all evil as well as the greatest threat to Christianity are “the Jews”. For instance, in addition to this obscene video you can also discover that the Sandy Hook massacre was a Jewish fabrication in order to remove handguns from “the goyim”.

At first glance one might think that no one could possibly listen to this obvious madness about a Jewish plot, or these ridiculous assertions about Jews and Judaism and expect that anyone could possibly believe these things. Apparently you would be wrong.
 
chosen_people said:
At first glance one might think that no one could possibly listen to this obvious madness about a Jewish plot, or these ridiculous assertions about Jews and Judaism and expect that anyone could possibly believe these things. Apparently you would be wrong.
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Always amazing how quickly we condemn those not exactly like us. 👍
 
aidanbradypop said:
We can never really know for sure if The Church of the Holy Sepulchre or The Church of the Nativity are actually the true sites of the events.
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Of course we can. Holy Tradition tells us so.
aidanbradypop said:
Western Wall has that same effect.
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And as he was going out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him: Master, behold what manner of stones and what buildings are here. And Jesus answering, said to him: Seest thou all these great buildings? There shall not be left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.
Mark 13:1-2
 
HansTrappist said:
The following video was brought to my attention “Satan at the Wailing Wall” (youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ).

I wonder if anyone better educated on these matters than myself could comment on the historical accuracy of the following claims made in the video:
  1. That the Western Wall is not a remnant of the Second Temple but is rather the remains of an ancient Roman fortress named Fort Antonia which was built north of the original Temple site; and that the rock on which the Dome of the Rock was built was actually the centerpiece of Fort Antonia.
  2. That the Western Wall is the seat of a satanic ritual outlined by the 13th century Jewish occult system known as the Kabbalah, as expounded in the Zohar and expanded upon by the 18th century Hasidic movement.
  3. That the alleged divine presence at the Western Wall is actually the Kabbalistic feminine emanation of the shekhinah.
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This speaker is an antisemite of the first order. His words are full of hatred. How can ANYONE use Christ to justify hatred of the religion of Christ? This video and thread should be removed from Catholic Answers. Antisemitism has NO PLACE in our faith. NONE!
 
JustaServant said:
Sounds pretty wacky Hans. I wouldn’t buy into everything that is on YouTube.
Whether its the actual Temple wall or a Roman fort, one has to ask what the purpose of the video is?
Old rocks have no power in them.
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It’s 107 miles beyond wacky. It’s downright evil and scandalous.
 
Mickey said:
But you said we can never really know for sure? It is Sacred Tradition…and that is not negotiable.
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Sorry it has taken me a bit to reply. I wanted to make sure I was not speaking falsely before I replied. I contacted my Bishop for more information.

It may be a Sacred Tradition for Orthodoxy, but in the Roman Catholic Church, it is “traditionally” thought to be the site of the birth of Christ. It is not a Sacred Tradition that He was born on the grounds. We traditionally accept that site as a matter of faith. The Church has no offical stance.

I believe it to be the site of the birth! 👍
 
The Strange Story of the False Wailing Wall
askelm.com/temple/t000701.htm

The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia
askelm.com/temple/t980504.htm

Bordeaux Pilgrim 333 AD
christusrex.org/www1/ofm/pilgr/bord/10Bord07aJerus.html

The 1st century Roman Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus in book ‘The War of Jews’ had quoted Jewish rebel commader at Masada in 73 CE, saying: “Where is this city that was believed to have God himself inhabiting therein? It is now demolished to the very foundations, and hath nothing left but that monument of it preserved, I mean the camp of those that hath destroyed it, which still dwells upon its ruins”.

“In biblical times the Haram was not a sacred place. Instead it was the place that Orthodox Jews considered defiled and the most despised place in the world. Within these walls were found no remnants of any of the earlier temples but rather an image of Mars, the Roman god of war,”
wrmea.org/component/content/article/371-2011-august/10647-misunderstandings-about-jerusalems-temple-mount.html



British archaeologist Kathleen Kenyon discovered in 1962 that the entire City of David in the past had been only that little rock ridge on the western bank of the Kidron Valley. In early 1970s, Professor Benjamin Mazar, former President of Hebrew University too, confirmed that Haram al-Sharif was indeed a Roman fortress.

Coins from 17AD found under Jerusalem’s Western Wall hints sacred site NOT built by Herod
dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2065254/Coins-Jerusalems-Western-Wall-hints-sacred-site-older-Herod.html
 
Who cares where the actual temple was?

Who cares whether the Church of the Nativity is on the actual site of Christ’s birth or if the Church of the Holy Sepulcher is on the site of Jesus’ tomb and resurrection?

The POINT is that the truth lies in the fact that Jesus took human flesh and was born in Bethlehem late in the reign of Augustus and that he suffered, died, and rose from the dead when Tiberius was Emperor and Pilate the governor of Roman Palestine.

The exact location of any sacred site is secondary to the absolute and undeniable truths they represent.
 
Mickey said:
Has Rome indicated that She believes this wall is actually a remnant from the second temple? Or is this perhaps an example of ecumenism?
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And your questions are relevant to a discussion concerning satanic forces and rituals at the Western Wall how? I assume you aren’t suggesting that our last two Holy Fathers would pray at a satanic site due to ecumenism.
 
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