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I should not take the Bible literally? I’m confused. In more chapters than I can count, there is the statement that the sin is forgotten when it is forgiven.

historyb, please, the word you want is “whether”.
 
The Catholic church teaches that there is more than just venial and mortal sins. What about sacrilege? Simony?

Each sin is equally as bad as the other.
 
I should not take the Bible literally? I’m confused. In more chapters than I can count, there is the statement that the sin is forgotten when it is forgiven.
Again, we know God is absolutely omniscient–so he can’t literally forget. The Bible often uses human imagery to help our feeble minds understand God. What is meant that we are reconciled to him again–the relationship destroyed by our sins is healed. By again, that doesn’t negate the rest of Scripture.

In general the Bible is always true, but not always meant to be taken literally. This is why you need to stick to the meaning that has been handed down since the beginning, so you don’t wrest the Scriptures to your own destruction (2 Peter 3:16).

There’s a lot of new “Bible only” sects out there that are no more than 450 years old at the most–most are muc, much newer. Many try and read the Bible without any reference to the meaning of the words. Even the devil quoted Scripture–obviously he had the meaning wrong.
 
I should not take the Bible literally? I’m confused. In more chapters than I can count, there is the statement that the sin is forgotten when it is forgiven.

**historyb, please, the word you want is “whether”./**QUOTE]

Please use Charity when discussing.
 
The Catholic church teaches that there is more than just venial and mortal sins. What about sacrilege? Simony?
Sacrilege and simony are particular sins. But all particular sins are either venial or mortal.
Each sin is equally as bad as the other.
No it’s not. Look, I already provided you Scripture in my previous post from one of the Epistles of John saying there were different gradations. Likewise, the whole law in the OT shows us that some sins are punished greater than others or require a greater sacrifice to atone for than others. This means that sins are not equal in the magnitude of injustice inherent in them.
 
The Catholic church teaches that there is more than just venial and mortal sins. What about sacrilege? Simony?

Each sin is equally as bad as the other.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
III. THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SINS
1852 There are a great many kinds of sins. Scripture provides several lists of them. The Letter to the Galatians contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit: "Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God."127
1853 Sins can be distinguished according to their objects, as can every human act; or according to the virtues they oppose, by excess or defect; or according to the commandments they violate. They can also be classed according to whether they concern God, neighbor, or oneself; they can be divided into spiritual and carnal sins, or again as sins in thought, word, deed, or omission. The root of sin is in the heart of man, in his free will, according to the teaching of the Lord: "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a man."128 But in the heart also resides charity, the source of the good and pure works, which sin wounds.
IV. THE GRAVITY OF SIN: MORTAL AND VENIAL SIN
1854 Sins are rightly evaluated according to their gravity. The distinction between mortal and venial sin, already evident in Scripture,129 became part of the tradition of the Church. It is corroborated by human experience.
1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God’s law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.
Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.
1856 Mortal sin, by attacking the vital principle within us - that is, charity - necessitates a new initiative of God’s mercy and a conversion of heart which is normally accomplished within the setting of the sacrament of reconciliation:
When the will sets itself upon something that is of its nature incompatible with the charity that orients man toward his ultimate end, then the sin is mortal by its very object . . . whether it contradicts the love of God, such as blasphemy or perjury, or the love of neighbor, such as homicide or adultery. . . . But when the sinner’s will is set upon something that of its nature involves a disorder, but is not opposed to the love of God and neighbor, such as thoughtless chatter or immoderate laughter and the like, such sins are venial.130
 
But isn’t God hurt with EVERY sin? How can one be worse than the other?

I’m sorry about the spelling comment, but for heaven’s sake, can’t we be correct in our spelling?
 
Well, just another question.

How come the Catholic church needs a whole catechism? What is wrong with just using the Bible?
 
But isn’t God hurt with EVERY sin? How can one be worse than the other?

I’m sorry about the spelling comment, but for heaven’s sake, can’t we be correct in our spelling?
Yes, of course God is hurt with every sin we commit. Think of it as you would your own child. When he sasses you, you are deeply hurt that he would do that, but are you going to throw him out for it? No, you punish him and than you forgive him. Now God, is way better of a parent than you or I could ever dream of.
 
Well, just another question.

How come the Catholic church needs a whole catechism? What is wrong with just using the Bible?
The CCC is like the cliff notes to the bible. It helps one understand it. When you have ten people in a room trying to wing it you get ten different interpretations of the bible. If someone wrote a book you loved wouldn’t you want to go to him if you had some questions about that book? It is the same with bible the CC put the bible together so they should know better than anyone else how to understand it.
 
st lucy, I appreciate all you are writing. I am just in search of answers and I feel as if I am being blasted here. That is not why I posted. I am merely looking for answers. It seems that when I ask a question, I am getting blasts from everyone! 😦

All I want is some help with questions that I have. Can that be possible?
 
I should not take the Bible literally? I’m confused. In more chapters than I can count, there is the statement that the sin is forgotten when it is forgiven.
Correct in a way. You should not relay on your own interpretation, Christ set the church up for that.
historyb, please, the word you want is “whether”.
Thanks, didn’t think it looked right 🙂
 
But isn’t God hurt with EVERY sin? How can one be worse than the other?
Again, God isn’t “hurt” literally–he’s incorruptible. But, yes, His perfect justice is offended. But sins offend it to a different degree. For example, crashing a plane into the twin towers full of people is a greater injustice than, say, telling an immodest joke. Both are sins, but there is a difference in gravity. We know this intuitively too–because God has placed his law in all our hearts–but as I pointed out before, even the Scriptures differentiate between sins.
I’m sorry about the spelling comment, but for heaven’s sake, can’t we be correct in our spelling?
Typing is hard!! 😛
 
Well, just another question.

How come the Catholic church needs a whole catechism? What is wrong with just using the Bible?
Just a question to ponder. At what point did the Bible, as a complete entity, both Old and New Testament, finally become canonized and printed in a single language that everyone could read? The answer is that the Councils of Carthage and Hippo, Catholic Church councils in the very late 300s, came up with the defined canon. Even then, until St. Jerome came up with a single unified translation in Latin (the vernacular of the time) later in the 400s, you had to be able to read Hebrew for the Old Testament AND Greek for the New Testament. Until that time, although there was agreement over certain books of the Bible, like the four Gospels and the Letters of Paul, there was considerable debate over other books that could have been included. The Didache, Epistle of Barnabas, and Shepherd of Hermas almost made it in as inspired text, and Revelation was almost thrown out. For a shorter time, there was also discussion over the Gospel of Thomas, which was eventually rejected for its Gnostic views. Until this time, there was no universally agreed upon Bible. So… how did Christianity function? It had to function on Tradition. For almost 20% of Christianity’s history, there WAS no Bible! When it was ultimately compiled, who decided what was put in? The Catholic Church. A main difference between most Protestants and Catholics is that Protestants put their faith in the Bible alone. Catholics recognize that it is only one part of Tradition. For Protestants, if it’s not in the Bible, you don’t do it. For Catholics, you can do it, as long as it’s not specifically forbidden by the Bible. (Well, ok, that’s a generalization, but I’m speaking broadly here.) There’s a significant difference.
 
st lucy, I appreciate all you are writing. I am just in search of answers and I feel as if I am being blasted here. That is not why I posted. I am merely looking for answers. It seems that when I ask a question, I am getting blasts from everyone! 😦

All I want is some help with questions that I have. Can that be possible?
I am sorry you feel this way. I do think that at least in this thread all have been very kind in your questions.

By the way I love questions such as yours, that are done with sincerity. Keep it coming, it is a nice change.
 
I am sincere about everything that I write. I am not here to start problems, etc. Also, please know that I am a former teacher and get crazy when I see misspelled words, etc. 😉

Rolltide, I will have to read your response again later. It is getting late and my old eyes are not working as they should. Same thing with everyone else here…

All I want to do is to learn. To learn more about the Bible and what God wants of us.

Peace to everyone – I am having surgery in the morning, will respond again when I am able.
 
I am sincere about everything that I write. I am not here to start problems, etc. Also, please know that I am a former teacher and get crazy when I see misspelled words, etc. 😉

Rolltide, I will have to read your response again later. It is getting late and my old eyes are not working as they should. Same thing with everyone else here…

All I want to do is to learn. To learn more about the Bible and what God wants of us.

Peace to everyone – I am having surgery in the morning, will respond again when I am able.
I know what you mean I too am a teacher. HS mom anyway.

I hope all goes well with your surgery. I will pray for your quick recovery.
 
Amen.

I am fearful of the tomorrow surgery

It might be that I am not fully trusting?
 
I am sincere about everything that I write. I am not here to start problems, etc. Also, please know that I am a former teacher and get crazy when I see misspelled words, etc. 😉

Rolltide, I will have to read your response again later. It is getting late and my old eyes are not working as they should. Same thing with everyone else here…

All I want to do is to learn. To learn more about the Bible and what God wants of us.

Peace to everyone – I am having surgery in the morning, will respond again when I am able.
Most HUGE aloha (love) to you, beautiful one. Full on praying for 'ya for the best possible results of the surgery.

I absolutely LOVE questions such as yours. Innocent questions asked in search of actual answers, instead of the usual argumentative fisticuffs (sic?).

(( I also get severly annoyed by spelling errors, and “text message” grammar…! ))

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, for your wonderful wonderful spirit. It’s a real gift to us.

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.
 
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