What are Jews' biggest arguments against Jesus being the Messiah

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Why? Why does the Messiah have to be a generic human political figure vulnerable to the sinful nature of humankind?
Judaism does not believe that we humans have a sinful nature. Yes, we commit wrongdoings, but that is not the same as having a sinful nature. Also, you make it appear that the expected Messiah will be a manifest sinner, which is not really true. He will be a righteous man, not perfect (as you say, vulnerable to sin), not divine, but essentially moral, and not in the modern sense a political figure.
 
What does it mean to Jews then that Adam and Eve Sinned if it did not create a sin nature.

Why the Curse given by God, why be thrown out of Eden, etc…

Surely Jews would hold that we are fundamentally different in relation to God then Adam and Eve were?
 
What does it mean to Jews then that Adam and Eve Sinned if it did not create a sin nature.

Why the Curse given by God, why be thrown out of Eden, etc…

Surely Jews would hold that we are fundamentally different in relation to God then Adam and Eve were?
In line with this type of question, why did God leave out the Chinese and other Asians when He decided to choose the Jews? Why was Jesus a Jew and not a Japanese? Although perhaps not a Jewish argument against Jesus being the Messiah, I have heard a few Chinese bring up questions like this as they reject Christianity.
 
What does it mean to Jews then that Adam and Eve Sinned if it did not create a sin nature.

Why the Curse given by God, why be thrown out of Eden, etc…

Surely Jews would hold that we are fundamentally different in relation to God then Adam and Eve were?
We can’t be so different from Adam and Eve since they also disobeyed G-d. Judaism believes that our nature is basically good even after what Christians call the fall from grace, because, after all, we were created in the very image of G-d, which I know you too believe. G-d loved them even as he through Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden. Indeed, this was the beginning, not the end, of their truly human sojourn. However, since we were also given free will, the same as Adam and Eve, we are human and imperfect and free to choose to disobey G-d. IOW, we have both a good inclination and a selfish, aggressive inclination. I use the latter term instead of evil or sinful because Judaism believes that our aggression and selfishness are necessary for our survival. When we abuse this aggressive and selfish inclination, however, it is then that we miss the mark and commit wrongdoing. But not to fear since we have the means to atone for our sins and G-d is a merciful G-d.
 
This is a misunderstanding of Jewish belief. There is indeed abundant “hope for eternal blessings for mankind in the heavenly Jerusalem.” And one need not convert to Judaism to attain these blessings, that is, there will be no forced conversions of any kind. The recognition and adoration of G-d will be self-evident to everyone and morality will prevail in all the nations of the world, not merely in Israel. There is no political conception of a world order in the Messianic Age.
Sounds like you are knowledgeable on the subject. Could you tell me more about hope for eternal blessings for mankind in the heavenly Jerusalem as it relates to present-day Jewish beliefs vis-a-vis the messiah? I am very interested! By the way, I got that information from Judaism 101:

jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
 
What does it mean to Jews then that Adam and Eve Sinned if it did not create a sin nature.

Why the Curse given by God, why be thrown out of Eden, etc…

Surely Jews would hold that we are fundamentally different in relation to God then Adam and Eve were?
:hmmm:
 
Are the following gospels historical or not?

the “Secret Book of James”
Book of Thomas the Contender
Dialogue of the Saviour
Gospel of Judas (also called the “Gospel of Judas Iscariot”)
Gospel of Mary (also called the “Gospel of Mary Magdalene”)
Gospel of Philip
Greek Gospel of the Egyptians
What do historians and archeologists say?

By the way, what religion are you? Jehovah’s Witness?

FIFTH REQUEST
 
Sounds like you are knowledgeable on the subject. Could you tell me more about hope for eternal blessings for mankind in the heavenly Jerusalem as it relates to present-day Jewish beliefs vis-a-vis the messiah? I am very interested! By the way, I got that information from Judaism 101:

jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
In its broadest outline, it is really quite simple. The Messiah will make evident to all the nations of the world that there is One G-d and this will in time result in the moral blessings of universal peace and the brotherhood of mankind. Will there first be periods of war and anarchy: a kind of tribulation? The Hebrew Bible says there will be, but this strife will not be caused by the Messiah, although he is expected to be some form of political leader among his many other charismatic and intelligent attributes. The mechanism concerning just HOW all this will be accomplished we are not privy to by means of either the Written Law or any other portion of the Hebrew Bible or the Talmud. But this is the hope that many Jews have for what will come to pass during the Messianic Age.
 
In its broadest outline, it is really quite simple. The Messiah will make evident to all the nations of the world that there is One G-d and this will in time result in the moral blessings of universal peace and the brotherhood of mankind. Will there first be periods of war and anarchy: a kind of tribulation? The Hebrew Bible says there will be, but this strife will not be caused by the Messiah, although he is expected to be some form of political leader among his many other charismatic and intelligent attributes. The mechanism concerning just HOW all this will be accomplished we are not privy to by means of either the Written Law or any other portion of the Hebrew Bible or the Talmud. But this is the hope that many Jews have for what will come to pass during the Messianic Age.
Can the future Jewish Messiah be of Chinese ancestry? It seems that he will have to be Jewish?
Would it be a form of racial discrimination to rule out anyone of Chinese or Japanese ancestry as being the future Messiah? Could the Messiah be a Sunni Muslim or would He have to be an Orthodox Jew, but not a Reformed Jew?
 
In its broadest outline, it is really quite simple. The Messiah will make evident to all the nations of the world that there is One G-d and this will in time result in the moral blessings of universal peace and the brotherhood of mankind. Will there first be periods of war and anarchy: a kind of tribulation? The Hebrew Bible says there will be, but this strife will not be caused by the Messiah, although he is expected to be some form of political leader among his many other charismatic and intelligent attributes. The mechanism concerning just HOW all this will be accomplished we are not privy to by means of either the Written Law or any other portion of the Hebrew Bible or the Talmud. But this is the hope that many Jews have for what will come to pass during the Messianic Age.
I’m sorry but I see Jesus fitting this description very well.

I find it interesting that Jews say, we don’t know how or what it will look like…we just know Jesus is not it.
 
Can the future Jewish Messiah be of Chinese ancestry? It seems that he will have to be Jewish?
Would it be a form of racial discrimination to rule out anyone of Chinese or Japanese ancestry as being the future Messiah? Could the Messiah be a Sunni Muslim or would He have to be an Orthodox Jew, but not a Reformed Jew?
The Messiah must be a righteous Jewish man. I don’t think it matters which denomination of Judaism he comes from. The Messiah cannot be a Gentile or a woman. (Please don’t ask about transgender!) If a Chinese, Japanese, or (Sunni) Muslim man converts to Judaism and is knowledgeable about Jewish law, then he can be the Messiah.

As a footnote, there is a hypothesis within Judaism that G-d did NOT choose the Jewish people as His Chosen People to begin with. He actually chose several other peoples first; however, they refused to bear the responsibility that would be involved. Note too that the concept of Chosen People does NOT mean that G-d loves Jews more than other people. Instead, it means that G-d chose the Jewish people (perhaps by default) to be His priestly people with a mission to spread His Word. This sounds like the Gospel, doesn’t it?
 
I’m sorry but I see Jesus fitting this description very well.

I find it interesting that Jews say, we don’t know how or what it will look like…we just know Jesus is not it.
A fine Catholic you would be if you did not! However, where is the peace and brotherhood of man for the past 2,000 years?
 
A fine Catholic you would be if you did not! However, where is the peace and brotherhood of man for 2,000 years?
It is evident in the Christian religion, its effect on the world, and you yourself stated there would be conflict in the roll out of the messiah’s kingdom.
 
The Messiah must be a righteous Jewish man. I don’t think it matters which denomination of Judaism he comes from. The Messiah cannot be a Gentile or a woman. (Please don’t ask about transgender!) If a Chinese, Japanese, or (Sunni) Muslim man converts to Judaism and is knowledgeable about Jewish law, then he can be the Messiah.
Are you sure that the Orthodox Jews agree with you on this?
 
A fine Catholic you would be if you did not! However, where is the peace and brotherhood of man for the past 2,000 years?
:hmmm:So, since there has not been perfect peace and brotherhood for the last 2000 years within Christendom (just a short period of time LOL) then Jesus must not be the messiah, the God-man who established the Catholic Church i.e. the Christian movement, or am I misunderstanding? :confused:
 
In its broadest outline, it is really quite simple. The Messiah will make evident to all the nations of the world that there is One G-d and this will in time result in the moral blessings of universal peace and the brotherhood of mankind. Will there first be periods of war and anarchy: a kind of tribulation? The Hebrew Bible says there will be, but this strife will not be caused by the Messiah, although he is expected to be some form of political leader among his many other charismatic and intelligent attributes. The mechanism concerning just HOW all this will be accomplished we are not privy to by means of either the Written Law or any other portion of the Hebrew Bible or the Talmud. But this is the hope that many Jews have for what will come to pass during the Messianic Age.
OK.🙂

You forgot to address my question: Could you tell me more about the hope for eternal blessings for mankind in the heavenly Jerusalem as it relates to present-day Jewish beliefs vis-a-vis the messiah? I am very interested! 👍
 
:hmmm:So, since there has not been perfect peace and brotherhood for the last 2000 years within Christendom (just a short period of time LOL) then Jesus must not be the messiah, the God-man who established the Catholic Church i.e. the Christian movement, or am I misunderstanding? :confused:
As I noted before, that is one of about two dozen reasons according to Judaism. World peace is one of the basic beliefs about what the Messiah is supposed to accomplish.
 
OK.🙂

You forgot to address my question: Could you tell me more about the hope for eternal blessings for mankind in the heavenly Jerusalem as it relates to present-day Jewish beliefs vis-a-vis the messiah? I am very interested! 👍
If you mean the afterlife (the World to Come), that is the domain of G-d, not the Messiah. Jews believe in a heaven and hell in the form of separation from G-d, as well as a kind of purgatory in which the soul is cleansed. Is this what you are referring to?
 
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