What are one's obligations toward the homeless?

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It’s problematic giving the money because it could likely go for alcohol and drugs. My donations are always through the Church. But I truly feel that society should find a way to end homelessness. Having a place to live is paramount, and is the minimum that society should provide.

Most of the homeless are mentally ill and cannot work for a living.
 
I would question the idea that the majority of the homeless are mentally ill. Finding shelter for all homeless, no matter what the cause, should be a thing sought by society. Some communities have homeless shelters. Actually, many of those are on a daily first come first serve basis. The one here in Topeka puts up those who need it as long as they can. That is, the shelter helps them find a job, or disability income if such is called for. Then helps them find an apartment that is within the persons income. Like, I live on disability and in public housing. I feel lucky to have what I do.

Sometimes, if you see the same person day after day, and realize that the person is homeless, you might see if they need a ride to a nearby homeless shelter, or maybe just needs a sandwich and someone to talk to. Encouraging someone doesn’t have to cost anything except the time to listen.
 
I would question the idea that the majority of the homeless are mentally ill. Finding shelter for all homeless, no matter what the cause, should be a thing sought by society. Some communities have homeless shelters. Actually, many of those are on a daily first come first serve basis. The one here in Topeka puts up those who need it as long as they can. That is, the shelter helps them find a job, or disability income if such is called for. Then helps them find an apartment that is within the persons income. Like, I live on disability and in public housing. I feel lucky to have what I do.

Sometimes, if you see the same person day after day, and realize that the person is homeless, you might see if they need a ride to a nearby homeless shelter, or maybe just needs a sandwich and someone to talk to. Encouraging someone doesn’t have to cost anything except the time to listen.
I’m pretty sure it’s been well documented that a staggering proportion of the homeless are mentally ill. Especially since most of the insane asylums or mental health facilities across the nation have been shut down over the years.
 
**CHRIST our LORD made our obligations pretty simple and straightforward:

Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. [35] For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

[36] Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. [37] Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? [39] Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? [40] And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me. - St. Matthew: 25: 34-40 Douay Rheims Bible

Not rocket science**
 
If I do not see Jesus in every face I see then the love of Jesus is not in me. If I give money and they buy alcohol or drugs who am I to judge. But for the grace of God there stands I.
 
It’s problematic giving the money because it could likely go for alcohol and drugs. My donations are always through the Church. But I truly feel that society should find a way to end homelessness. Having a place to live is paramount, and is the minimum that society should provide.

Most of the homeless are mentally ill and cannot work for a living.
A heartless society can never provide a true hearth for anyone. The projects in the US and Council Housing in England were well-intentioned – Francis Cardinal George mentions what happened in his diocese when the projects were slated for destruction: many people, despite all the problems, were rooted in them, they knew their neighbors, who they could go to for help, etc.

The recent wonderful film about Ven. Pope Paul VI made note of the Polish communist government’s attempt to build workers’ housing that would simply uproot people from all their traditions, but which failed to accomplish the goal of separating people from each other – instead, it focused the community’s attention on the need for having a church and having a true neighborhood.

In the US, the suburbs performed the function of distancing people from their neighbors while simultaneously abandoning the cities. Building the civilization of love means, in part, ending the isolation of the *SPIRITUALLY homeless * in our workplaces and in the nice neighborhoods in which people live through anti-social media . . .
 
I live in the East Village neighborhood of NYC, where we have a large collection of homeless people and professional beggers. I will not give money to any of them, since I see them in the same places every day looking pitiful and saying the same thing. I have offered to take them to a restaurant and buy them a meal and stay with them until they eat it. In almost every case, they have turned me down cold!
It seems that a begger in NYC can average about $1,000 for about a 40 hour week of begging in Manhattan. Unfortunately, at least in the East Village, much of this money goes for drugs and alcohol. You can see these professional beggers drinking and smoking dope in Tompkins Square Park on a daily basis - if it isn’t raining!
There also has been a scandal in the past of people who become homeless on purpose, because the city will find them lodging that is far better than what they could afford on their own.
 
I’m pretty sure it’s been well documented that a staggering proportion of the homeless are mentally ill. Especially since most of the insane asylums or mental health facilities across the nation have been shut down over the years.
The shutting down of the (name removed by moderator)atient facilities for mental illness. is a major reason. Even if a person is truly unable to care for themselves, there is simply no place to send them. That and substance abuse are the two main reasons for homelessness. I was on the board of a shelter that only took in families (there had to be at least one child and one or two adults) where you would expect a lower percentage of mental illness/substance abuse than for the usual shelter that mostly houses single men. Unfortunately it was same song, different verse. Most of the parents had drug problems, couldn’t keep a job and couldn’t get housing due to criminal records or dreadful credit. Our executive director was a specialist in dual diagnosis and said virtually all of our clients had one or the other, about half of them both. Our mission was more to do what we could to protect the children.

If we could get the folks into treatment, there was a decent chance they would get to a better place because having children gave them a lot more incentive to get clean and sobor. But for the single folks, they have a bunch of little communities that have set up camps in certain parts of the city. They don’t want to go to the shelters because they can’t drink or drug or bring in their shopping carts.

Sorry got off track, as to our responsibility, I admit to sometimes giving to the “sign flyers” on the freeway ramps. A couple who are good friends have this mission to engage the sign flyers in the neighborhood and find out what they can about them. Again it’s often a situation of a drug/alcohol problem and inability to cope with what we think of as a normal life with a place to live and a job. The ones my friends talk to say they do pretty well begging and get enough to get by. They know all the meal programs and other services so they tap into a life that works for them.

We do have a number of “street to housing” organizations that have a decent record as well as Catholic charities and other faith based groups. I tend to give money to those organizations because I know it will be put to good use.

Lisa
 
i’M LIKE YOU IN THAT i LIKE TO GIVE ONLY THROUGH THE CHURCH. There is this one guy his outside of my work most days and I walk past him. His not old pretty much my age of around 27 to 32. but what i can not understand is that if he needs help why doesn’t he go get some. Just walk into a Vinnies or even a salvo army and tell them you need help to get back into life. They will provide everything. I could give him money but he will be there the next day again and then what i will have a guity conscence because i walked past him without giving him any money.

And also there are some who pertend they are beggers and they are not beggers at all.
 
[bibledrb]lev 19:10[/bibledrb]
[bibledrb]deut 24:21[/bibledrb]

Making the gleaning of crops available is an aspect of how to deal with the poor (which would include the homeless) that is not discussed in our modern society much.

[bibledrb]lev 25:25-39[/bibledrb]

I especially note that one who is forced to sell his house can redeem it in the Jubilee. This also applies to one who sells himself into slavery for debt.

The general theme is that we should all treat each other, without favoritism, as children of God.

Sadly, government programs, no matter how well-intentioned, have had the opposite effect.
 
I’m pretty sure it’s been well documented that a staggering proportion of the homeless are mentally ill. Especially since most of the insane asylums or mental health facilities across the nation have been shut down over the years.
And they are probably living without their meds.
 
As hard as it is to believe, there are many who choose to be homeless and many who do a good job of pretending that they are homeless for reasons cited above (they can make a lot of money). When I see a man on the side of the road with their “Homeless, God Bless” sign, the first thing I look for is whether they are shaved. Most times they are. I also pay attention to their clothes. If I didn’t shave, bath and change clothes everyday, I would look like a shipwreck victim in 2 days. The length of their hair is also a good clue.

I had two deadbeats live next door to me for 6 years. They took over their father’s house to where he eventually left and moved in with one of his decent sons. For 6 years I watched them and their deadbeat friends (who were homeless) do odd jobs for beer and cigarette money, watch them stagger around in the driveway drunk, had one of their friends steal lawn equipment from me, watched them get arrested and spend time in jail. The yard looked like a scene from Sanford and Son, complete with pit bulls in the backyard. They managed to set the house on fire on a cold night which finally gave the brother in charge of the estate the opportunity to get them legally out. I recently saw one of them who was telling me all of his woes stating that he’s homeless. As my good neighbor on the other side said of them, “the devil takes care of his own.”

It has always been my perspective that decent people don’t beg for money or panhandle. While I’m am sure that there are sincerely needy people on the street who need help, I am not going to take the chance that the paltry salary I make will go towards cigarettes, alcohol or drugs. I give through the Church, too, to make sure that it goes where it is needed.
 
sigh I once faced homelessness. And not because of my mental illness. I was a single parent working full time. Despite getting child support ($50 a week), and working full time, what I made just didn’t pay the bills. My daughter had to go live with my parents, while I found “temporary” shelter elsewhere. I had been trying to get into low income housing for over a year. Oh, and for the last six months my daughter was with me, it was without the child support. I later ended up in the hospital due to my depression, anxiety and other stuff. But the depression, while there for years, was made worse due to the housing problem. That, and I was making minimum wage at a high stress job. Could I have found better work? Do you think I didn’t try? For some, it’s like that. I wasn’t on any drugs, didn’t do alcohol, but did smoke. I have finally quit (my last cigarette ws July 8, 2011). But my life is still a shambles. My daughter is now grown up and married, and I can only pray that her life goes better than mine did.
 
one’s obligation to the homeless is not souly limited to donating money to the Church it does help no arguing that, anyone ever think about volunteering at a facility that serves the homeless, be it a soup kitchen or something else ? There is a little thing known in the Catholic faith as the Corporal Works of Mercy.

Something which we tend to fear to engage in, or rather have more excuses than not as to why we can not volunteer, im too old, i give enough money at Church an it goes to the poor so i have done enough, i have to work, im too busy, the excuses never end, but some how we always have the time do what we want to do. If there are some here who have not volunteered at a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter, I would highly suggest it for many reasons that would take a novel to explain properly. But I have seen first hand through volunteering , volunteers of all ages, religions, and abilities. I even know of a man who is elderly has cerebral palsy, can barely speak, and still shows up to volunteer to sort mail, and bag a few lunches now an then.
I truly feel that society should find a way to end homelessness.
Unfortunately homelessness will never end, even Christ said " you will always have the poor, but I will only be with you for a short while " ( a very rough paraphrase ) . So with that in mind what is society doing ?

Lets drop the word society and replace it with the word, CHRISTIANS , and VOLUNTEERING, Donating money alone is not going to solve a majority of problems for those who are truly homeless and in need. And the frauds out there get found out very easily, and more over, the truly homeless dispise those frauds and do not want them on the streets either as they give a bad name to those who are really in need. When we as Christians start living our faith, that is when the lives of the homeless start to get better, add on to that praying for those in need, and being persevering in those prayers how can God not hear an see us and not provide for those really in need at that point. God is always helping the poor ! But we have to do our part too !

Volunteering one day a month would be significant for a community, could anyone imagine if just half of a parish volunteered one day out of a month for a year at any homeless shelter or soup kitchen.

LisaA has pointed out a lot of truths to what the homeless face, infact volunteering and serving the homeless is not an easy task at all, it takes a lot of courage, and patience, as stated homeless deal with a lot of varying problems that take a lot to fix.
The shutting down of the (name removed by moderator)atient facilities for mental illness. is a major reason. Even if a person is truly unable to care for themselves, there is simply no place to send them.
This is beyond true, if " society " could do anything it is provide a facility for those with a real mental illness that have no one to support them or be cared for, and more over what happens is there is stories of time an again of cruel situations called " patient dumping " ; where someone who is homeless or has a mental illness goes in for medical treatment, an said facility is exhausted and has no common sense on to find help for the individual, gives up and then drives the person to a corner or bus stop and back on the streets they go.

If we want to see Change we have to start making the change, we can not expect " society " or the government to just step up to the plate and do the right thing here and now. We have to start living our faith and we have to demand better of ourselves and our communities.
 
one’s obligation to the homeless is not souly limited to donating money to the Church it does help no arguing that, anyone ever think about volunteering at a facility that serves the homeless, be it a soup kitchen or something else ? There is a little thing known in the Catholic faith as the Corporal Works of Mercy.

Something which we tend to fear to engage in, or rather have more excuses than not as to why we can not volunteer, im too old, i give enough money at Church an it goes to the poor so i have done enough, i have to work, im too busy, the excuses never end, but some how we always have the time do what we want to do. If there are some here who have not volunteered at a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter, I would highly suggest it for many reasons that would take a novel to explain properly. But I have seen first hand through volunteering , volunteers of all ages, religions, and abilities. I even know of a man who is elderly has cerebral palsy, can barely speak, and still shows up to volunteer to sort mail, and bag a few lunches now an then.
Hi lots of good points and I think many of us on CAF do volunteer. Our Parish got together with several other Parishes and a few Protestant churches to sponsor a hot meal program. We dont call it a soup kitchen because we set tables, people are served and our volunteers sit down with our guests and chat. We have some folks that are returnees and the servers get to know them. (I work in the kitchen on clean up). We also have a food pantry, actually it was up and running before the church was built! Our youth have periodic short missions such as at a shelter downtown where there are a lot of the usual profile homeless and poor, single men with substance abuse issues mostly. One of my favorite volunteer gigs is at a charity that puts together clothing collections for kids in foster care or low income or homeless families. We also help by donating clothes. One thing about Catholic families, you can get lots of kids’ stuff!

Just tossing out one comment based on the Acton Institute’s focus on “teach a man to fish” vs handouts. Rev Sirico’s book on defending the free market was a thoughtful expose of when people intend to do good, to do corporal works of mercy, in effect they are not always helping the people involved. Further they make it more difficult for local businesses to operate in areas where the poor live or gather. One story really struck home with me, he said they helped in a soup kitchen. There were no questions asked, you could come regardless of need. He happened to be outside and observed that a number of the folks arrived in a cab. If they needed free food, why were they spending money on a cab? The next thing that struck him was a hard working family with a small restaurant. He realized that the soup kitchen was in effect COMPETITION for this restaurant. Inadvertently they were drawing away potential customers who thought free was a good price.

It’s really a conundrum as you weigh back and forth what is best for society and for the person who is homeless. If we are enabling them to stay on the street where they are free to drink and drug, pandhandling, harassing passers by (this is a REAL problem in some areas) by giving out free food, a place to crash on a cold night, what incentive do they have to change their behavior?

Having also been on the board and a volunteer for a drug and alchohol program for street folks, I learned that until the addict wants to quit, has a REASON to quit, he’s not going to change his life. We may not think camping in a park or sleeping under a bridge is acceptable, but trust me, many do. Are we helping or hurting them with handouts?

Lisa
 
It’s really a conundrum as you weigh back and forth what is best for society and for the person who is homeless. If we are enabling them to stay on the street where they are free to drink and drug, pandhandling, harassing passers by (this is a REAL problem in some areas) by giving out free food, a place to crash on a cold night, what incentive do they have to change their behavior?
Pretty much spot on, I don’t think there are any easy or definitive answers out there.

There was a great article recently about a charity org that focused on rehabilitating a homeless drug addict into a drug free, working, self-sufficient, active member of society. He was a shining success story, but upon analysis they realized it was something like $20-30k they had to invest in him, to bring that about. Pardon my memory, can’t recall the exact figure, but it was in that ball park. Reflecting upon that, and how many fail during that turnaround process, it warranted some serious questions about how they currently go about rehabilitating people.

That was a person whom was physically and mentally capable of working; once clear of drugs, educated, mentored, and had a support network.

There are countless people whom are not physically or mentally capable of working… and no long term solutions available, with our current state of mental health in this country.

No easy answers… 😦

On a side note, I’m familiar with the Director of an organization which helps people rehabilitate as well. Similar to the organization, above. A few years ago they had a single mother (with a number of children) who they helped through counseling, sheltering, child care, mentoring, and education as well. She was right at the brim of becoming of becoming a self-sufficient mother with a professional career. Except, having finally finished up her degree, they realized if she takes a professional job… she’d lose everything… She’d be just barely over the income threshold, which would remove her from the subsidized housing. She’d lose the subsidized child care. She’d lose the medical coverage of her children, and she wouldn’t be able to afford the corporate plan for her children (she had a handful). It would have been only a few years, as she established her career… but unsustainable at entry level career wages. Yet, they couldn’t help her during that transition, due to their Federal guidelines. Reluctantly, they acknowledged that the woman essentially had to return to a near minimum wage dead end job, and remain in a housing project. That was their worst case story, but an example that’s fairly common. We recently had a guest speaker at our parish talking about a new charity organization, seeking to help with that transitional phase - it’s apparently somewhat common.
 
Pretty much spot on, I don’t think there are any easy or definitive answers out there.

There was a great article recently about a charity org that focused on rehabilitating a homeless drug addict into a drug free, working, self-sufficient, active member of society. He was a shining success story, but upon analysis they realized it was something like $20-30k they had to invest in him, to bring that about. Pardon my memory, can’t recall the exact figure, but it was in that ball park. Reflecting upon that, and how many fail during that turnaround process, it warranted some serious questions about how they currently go about rehabilitating people.

That was a person whom was physically and mentally capable of working; once clear of drugs, educated, mentored, and had a support network.

There are countless people whom are not physically or mentally capable of working… and no long term solutions available, with our current state of mental health in this country.

No easy answers… 😦

On a side note, I’m familiar with the Director of an organization which helps people rehabilitate as well. Similar to the organization, above. A few years ago they had a single mother (with a number of children) who they helped through counseling, sheltering, child care, mentoring, and education as well. She was right at the brim of becoming of becoming a self-sufficient mother with a professional career. Except, having finally finished up her degree, they realized if she takes a professional job… she’d lose everything… She’d be just barely over the income threshold, which would remove her from the subsidized housing. She’d lose the subsidized child care. She’d lose the medical coverage of her children, and she wouldn’t be able to afford the corporate plan for her children (she had a handful). It would have been only a few years, as she established her career… but unsustainable at entry level career wages. Yet, they couldn’t help her during that transition, due to their Federal guidelines. Reluctantly, they acknowledged that the woman essentially had to return to a near minimum wage dead end job, and remain in a housing project. That was their worst case story, but an example that’s fairly common. We recently had a guest speaker at our parish talking about a new charity organization, seeking to help with that transitional phase - it’s apparently somewhat common.
Yet another conundrum…I heard that a single mom in Pennsylvania had to earn the equivalent of $60.000 a year to provide an equal standard of living to her state and federal benefits. Not likely given that many do not even have a high school diploma much less a professional degree or even skilled trade credentials.

You know Rick Santorum was correct in that FAMILIES are the best poverty fighting system. The usual SNAP recipient is a single mother with a couple (or more) of children with the sperm donor long gone. If we could somehow return to marriage before children and a shared commitment, it would take a huge burden off the social services system.

When I was a CASA I realized how common the multigenerational welfare family had become. My first case was a single mom with FIVE children, by three different men, none of whom were involved or supporting the kids. Her mom had been on welfare and her daughter already had two children and no father for either of them. I have few doubts that her grandkids will end up in the same snare.

How to break this cycle? How to incentivise marriage…I think your analogy works well for this problem as well. Single moms became entrenched when welfare benefits were given only if there were no father in the home.

It all gets back to family.

Lisa
 
How to break this cycle? How to incentivise marriage…I think your analogy works well for this problem as well. Single moms became entrenched when welfare benefits were given only if there were no father in the home.

It all gets back to family.

Lisa
That perhaps, is the most ideal long term solution… Getting there, is a whole other mine field. 😦
 
That perhaps, is the most ideal long term solution… Getting there, is a whole other mine field. 😦
Indeed…too bad we can’t bring back good old shame. It used to be socially unacceptable to impregnate a woman and abandon her and the child. It used to be socially unacceptable for a woman to be sexually active and get pregnant before marriage.

Now it’s socially unacceptable to smoke and not bring re-usable shopping bags :mad:

Lisa
 
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