What are some of the main reasons that people are attracted to the Protestant faith?

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Yes I was expecting that. I didn’t even have to wait. As I know that’s the Catholic response to anyone who doesn’t agree with you or doesn’t share your faith, or who might not be where you are along your faith journey. It’s really quite the turn off.
I consider myself well catechized (over the last 5 years that is - like many I fell away in College) and still fight over some doctrines and dogmas 🙂

I am also very hard headed, however :o

I am Catholic (Petrine) Lutheran (Adiaphora) Orthodox (Ancestral Sin) in my leanings. 😃

I try as hard as I can to be obedient to the Church, I don’t succeed all the time :o

One thing to keep in mind is that there are tools to understand the Catholic Church (Scriptures, Councils, Encyclicals, Catechism, etc), and the Church should be seen in light of those established principles. Some complain that those principles are not visible in all the Churches… Of course they are not. Priests and Bishops are also people and we all have a tendency to stray and wonder. Regardless, they are all accountable to the Church and the exceptions should not be considered the norms.
 
Yes I was expecting that. I didn’t even have to wait. As I know that’s the Catholic response to anyone who doesn’t agree with you or doesn’t share your faith, or who might not be where you are along your faith journey. It’s really quite the turn off.
Look, Sy, that it makes you bristle when you hear that people who leave the CC were poorly catechized is more a testament to the fact of its veracity than its invalidity.

All I have to do is re-post HH’s erroneous quote about Catholics not being permitted to divorce to go: QED.

And that’s just from this one thread.

Imagine what I could do if I re-posted all of the uninformed comments I’ve encountered by ex-Catholics.

I am certain that if I asked you to write a paragraph providing apologia for the CC’s teaching on birth control…you wouldn’t be able to do it, without recourse to Fr. Google.

QED.
 
I consider myself well catechized (over the last 5 years that is - like many I fell away in College) and still fight over some doctrines and dogmas 🙂

I am also very hard headed, however :o

I am Catholic (Petrine) Lutheran (Adiaphora) Orthodox (Ancestral Sin) in my leanings. 😃

I try as hard as I can to be obedient to the Church, I don’t succeed all the time :o

One thing to keep in mind is that there are tools to understand the Catholic Church (Scriptures, Councils, Encyclicals, Catechism, etc), and the Church should be seen in light of those established principles. Some complain that those principles are not visible in all the Churches… Of course they are not. Priests and Bishops are also people and we all have a tendency to stray and wonder. Regardless, they are all accountable to the Church and the exceptions should not be considered the norms.
and Jose there’s not a reason for me to doubt you are well catechized though you still fight 🙂 Peace my brother.
 
Look, Sy, that it makes you bristle when you hear that people who leave the CC were poorly catechized is more a testament to the fact of its veracity than its invalidity.

All I have to do is re-post HH’s erroneous quote about Catholics not being permitted to divorce to go: QED.

And that’s just from this one thread.

Imagine what I could do if I re-posted all of the uninformed comments I’ve encountered by ex-Catholics.

I am certain that if I asked you to write a paragraph providing apologia for the CC’s teaching on birth control…you wouldn’t be able to do it, without recourse to Fr. Google.

QED.
I think I shall just conclude you’re not getting what makes me “bristle”, PRMerger, and leave it at that for now.
 
I could not accept certain doctrine or dogmas of the church including: celibate male only priesthood (allowing women and married individuals to be ordained is vital)
A celibate priesthood is neither doctrine nor dogma. It is a discipline, meaning it can change (although I don’t think it likely that it will). Priests in the Eastern Catholic Churches can marry, and there are even some married priests in the Latin Church, mostly former Anglican priests who converted.

You are correct, however, that male only ordination is a doctrine of the Church and not subject to change. If you have not already done so, I would recommend reading Pope St. John Paul II’s Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, which explains the reasoning behind the Church’s teaching on this issue, along with the additional reflections provided by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in its "Ordinatio Sacerdotalis regarding the same.

Also, I am curious, if you don’t mind explaining, why it is you believe that allowing married and female clergy is “vital.”
 
SoMissCatholic–Thanks for your earlier response to me about Matt. 19. I’m having a typically busy week, but hope to respond myself to you and the other posts to me when I can give them my better attention.

Sy Noe–Thanks for the well wishes for my mom. She’s slowly getting better.
 
and Jose there’s not a reason for me to doubt you are well catechized though you still fight 🙂 Peace my brother.
I think it would be a rare occurrence to find someone, no matter how well catechized, who didn’t struggle with one or more aspects of the faith from time to time. I think this is especially true for those issues that hit close to home. The difference, I think, lies in whether one has fully committed to/accepted the idea that the Church is actually what she claims to be. I have investigated those claims and found them to be logically sound and worthy of belief. Therefore, I submit to her teachings, even though I may struggle with some of them from time to time.

For example, I disregarded the Church’s teaching on birth control for the first five years of my marriage. I knew the Church taught that use of artificial contraceptives was wrong, but I didn’t know why, nor did I really care to know (I think because deep down a part of me–most likely subconscious–knew that the Church was right, and if I didn’t investigate the rationale, I could continue to claim ignorance). A year and a half ago, when I started getting more serious about my faith and wanting to learn more about why I believe what I believe, I came face to face with the issue in Scott and Kimberly Hahn’s book, Rome Sweet Home. Through that and other reading I became convinced that the Church’s teaching was the truth. I knew I had to do something about it, but I wasn’t exactly happy. The thought of always being “open to life” and letting go of control over that aspect of my life and marriage scared the #$%! out of me. Eventually, though, I talked to my wife about it, and after a few more months of stalling, we started practicing NFP. It was scary but also at the same time, incredibly freeing. I still struggle with it sometimes, but I do believe I am happier now for it.
 
SoMissCatholic–Thanks for your earlier response to me about Matt. 19. I’m having a typically busy week, but hope to respond myself to you and the other posts to me when I can give them my better attention.
No worries. For myself, I’ve spent way more time on here this week than I should have ;). I will probably be scarcer around here next week because of it.

Also, I want to point out a typo I saw today when looking back over that post. In the second quote, about three or so lines from the bottom is a sentence that currently reads:

“married couples are not called to be an image of Christ and his enduring love for the Church (Eph 5:21-33; cf. Rev 19:6-8).”

That is wrong. Instead, it should read:

“married couples are now called to be an image of Christ and his enduring love for the Church (Eph 5:21-33; cf. Rev 19:6-8).”

Funny how one letter can completely change the meaning of a sentence. 😃
 
How many Baptized Roman Catholics attend Mass weekly? I’ve seen numbers suggesting maybe only 25%? If that’s the case, it doesn’t suggest to me there are all that many on fire for the faith.
Sy,

Well… that’s a bit unfair way of looking at it.

Being baptized is one thing. Having 1st Communion, Confirmation and Church participation is another.

However, we do not have as many “on fire” people for some other reasons.

One is that our Mass is a reverent way of worshiping God. Not a rock concert with a hip Pastor speaking today’s catchy jargon. “On fire” is sometimes associated with being emotional.

On the other hand, we are not as open about sharing the Faith as our Protestant brothers. Probably some of our guilt theology gets in the way. You know, I’m not approaching people on the bus and saying: “Have you gone to confession today? Amen! - I really got my Priest the last time I went 5 months ago… I’m still doing penance about it!” 🙂 We don’t have the accept Jesus into your heart and you are set for life - “I got, one ticket to paradise!”. Or, say “You are sure going to love the 6 months of classes before being received in the Church! That is, unless you are remarried… Are you divorced and remarried? We need to talk more… and you might need to wait 5-10 years before being received and… yeah, we need to talk more”.

No it doesn’t go like that, lol. Normally it goes where I share Christ in my life and then they ask what Church I go to and I say Catholic and… then it starts… Do you guys worship Mary? Does the Pope tell you what you can and cannot do? and stuff like that. It turns into apologetics real quick. So the best approach I’ve found is to say “I go to Church on Sundays and sometimes during the week, we have a great retreat coming up and our fellowship is amazing, why don’t you come with me this Sunday? or another day you are more comfortable.” It’s easier to go an experience Mass and then build from there. All the symbolism, all the Scriptures, it is a great spiritual experience and a visual experience as well, it also doesn’t make us look like a bunch of lunatics worshiping statues and stuff, which is probably the picture they have in their minds.

So yes, I’ll admit to the faith sharing being a little more complicated and elborate than when I was Pentecostal or Non-Denominational, where we’d go to service and grab a coffee and chit chat and then sign up for one of the Bible/Social studies.

We have things like Sunday obligation and Holy Days obligation, instead of Sunday Worship and Remembrance and Holy Days of Fellowship.

On another hand we have a really tight community that comes together for those suffering in the hospitals, cooking for the families of the ones suffering, emergency funds, we manage a house to feed and clothe the poor, mission trips with other dioceses - a lot of them in the U.S. - we have a lot of poor and suffering in this nation - nothing against the ones abroad but let’s skip the exotic trip and take care of business here too. You come out of confession and one of your buddies goes: “walking lighter today ah?” You can only get it if you are Catholic, lol.

I do have to give kudos to the St. Paul Street Evangelization Group, they are kicking it up a notch and really making a difference on the streets and even visiting other denominations and setting the record straight for Catholicism in a very charitable manner. God Bless them!

You also have very devote people that are constantly praying around the clock for others, how much faith you need to do that!!! To even remember regularly to think of others and intercede? That sure is being on fire!

So it all boils down to what you understand what it is to be “on fire”.
 
Sy,

Well… that’s a bit unfair way of looking at it.

Being baptized is one thing. Having 1st Communion, Confirmation and Church participation is another.

However, we do not have as many “on fire” people for some other reasons.

One is that our Mass is a reverent way of worshiping God. Not a rock concert with a hip Pastor speaking today’s catchy jargon. “On fire” is sometimes associated with being emotional.

On the other hand, we are not as open about sharing the Faith as our Protestant brothers. Probably some of our guilt theology gets in the way. You know, I’m not approaching people on the bus and saying: “Have you gone to confession today? Amen! - I really got my Priest the last time I went 5 months ago… I’m still doing penance about it!” 🙂 We don’t have the accept Jesus into your heart and you are set for life - “I got, one ticket to paradise!”. Or, say “You are sure going to love the 6 months of classes before being received in the Church! That is, unless you are remarried… Are you divorced and remarried? We need to talk more… and you might need to wait 5-10 years before being received and… yeah, we need to talk more”.

No it doesn’t go like that, lol. Normally it goes where I share Christ in my life and then they ask what Church I go to and I say Catholic and… then it starts… Do you guys worship Mary? Does the Pope tell you what you can and cannot do? and stuff like that. It turns into apologetics real quick. So the best approach I’ve found is to say “I go to Church on Sundays and sometimes during the week, we have a great retreat coming up and our fellowship is amazing, why don’t you come with me this Sunday? or another day you are more comfortable.” It’s easier to go an experience Mass and then build from there. All the symbolism, all the Scriptures, it is a great spiritual experience and a visual experience as well, it also doesn’t make us look like a bunch of lunatics worshiping statues and stuff, which is probably the picture they have in their minds.

So yes, I’ll admit to the faith sharing being a little more complicated and elborate than when I was Pentecostal or Non-Denominational, where we’d go to service and grab a coffee and chit chat and then sign up for one of the Bible/Social studies.

We have things like Sunday obligation and Holy Days obligation, instead of Sunday Worship and Remembrance and Holy Days of Fellowship.

On another hand we have a really tight community that comes together for those suffering in the hospitals, cooking for the families of the ones suffering, emergency funds, we manage a house to feed and clothe the poor, mission trips with other dioceses - a lot of them in the U.S. - we have a lot of poor and suffering in this nation - nothing against the ones abroad but let’s skip the exotic trip and take care of business here too. You come out of confession and one of your buddies goes: “walking lighter today ah?” You can only get it if you are Catholic, lol.

I do have to give kudos to the St. Paul Street Evangelization Group, they are kicking it up a notch and really making a difference on the streets and even visiting other denominations and setting the record straight for Catholicism in a very charitable manner. God Bless them!

You also have very devote people that are constantly praying around the clock for others, how much faith you need to do that!!! To even remember regularly to think of others and intercede? That sure is being on fire!

So it all boils down to what you understand what it is to be “on fire”.
In my question of how many attend weekly I had thought of using Baptized/Confirmed but stuck with Baptized only because from what I’ve been taught about Catholic teaching, the Sacrament of Baptism performed in a Catholic Church makes one a Catholic. And that not practicing by itself does not change this. I know of those baptized who also made 1st Communion and who were confirmed though and who do not practice but have no clue of the percentages. And I only used fire because PRMerger said their youth group was on fire. The rest of your points taken.
 
SoMissCatholic–Thanks for your earlier response to me about Matt. 19. I’m having a typically busy week, but hope to respond myself to you and the other posts to me when I can give them my better attention.

Sy Noe–Thanks for the well wishes for my mom. She’s slowly getting better.
Godspeed 👍
 
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Because they are…

poorly catechized.
You appear here to even judge people whom you know nothing about. They and their parents had Catholic educations, among them were altar servers, EMHCs, lectors & ushers. A relatively few remain in practice but many others, with similar instruction and backgrounds, do not. So my hope is for you and others to someday learn just going around spouting off “poorly catechized” to those who disagree with you or who believe differently than you do, is not the answer to everything.
 
You appear here to even judge people whom you know nothing about. They and their parents had Catholic educations, among them were altar servers, EMHCs, lectors & ushers. A relatively few remain in practice but many others, with similar instruction and backgrounds, do not. So my hope is for you and others to someday learn just going around spouting off “poorly catechized” to those who disagree with you or who believe differently than you do, is not the answer to everything.
Their Priests were poorly catechized?

😃
 
So my hope is for you and others to someday learn just going around spouting off “poorly catechized” to those who disagree with you or who believe differently than you do, is not the answer to everything.
Can you articulate the Church’s teaching on birth control without appealing to Fr. Google?

Just one paragraph will be sufficient.
 
Can you articulate the Church’s teaching on birth control without appealing to Fr. Google?

Just one paragraph will be sufficient.
I could but why? So you can just nit pick more? Articulating Catholic teaching would take volumes. Far more than a paragraph. But just this time I’ll just take the time to do it in a very short paragraph. Note however I am not going to continue to play this game with you. A 1 sentence paragraph:

ABC is an attempt to stop procreation during an act of love.

Now I’m done playing your game.
 
I could but why? So you can just nit pick more? Articulating Catholic teaching would take volumes. Far more than a paragraph. But just this time I’ll just take the time to do it in a very short paragraph. Note however I am not going to continue to play this game with you. A 1 sentence paragraph:

ABC is an attempt to stop procreation during an act of love.
Now I’m done playing your game.

Done? You haven’t even started. One sentence does not comprise a paragraph.

I have given you this challenge at least 4 times, and you have yet to respond.
 
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