You take offense, but then in the next sentence claim the Catholic liturgy is not the “proper” way to worship? And claim the CC wants to remain in the past?
I found it offensive too especially the part about maturity. I’m getting up there in age and am a far cry from rebellious. I’ve never smoked. I don’t drink. People might even describe me as rather a prude I suppose.
But if I had my druthers I’d prefer contemporary music. Though the perfect combination for me would be contemporary music combined with a great pastor. A pastor I believe too sets so much of the tone or persona of a church. But as far as music goes, contemporary simply speaks more to me and moves my soul unlike traditional music. An Episcopal church in my area offers a variety of services. There’s a contemplative quieter healing service with piano and acoustic guitar. A couple of traditional Episcopal services. And then the service with a Christian band. The priests say for whichever speaks to a person. They inform me about 25 attend the contemplative healing service. But 100 attend the service with the band and all ages from 20-something singles to young families to those in their 80s and ages inbetween. I don’t think maturity has all that much to do with it. But rather what speaks to the person to move them in faith.Is it any different than the contemporary music played in Catholic Churches?
Yes.
I’ve been to 4 Roman Catholic churches in my area and many more elsewhere during the course of my life. I’ve never encountered a Christian band. I do know some parishes offer Lifeteen Masses and I’ve heard the music is more contemporary but I’ve never had the good fortune to attend one. There are a few I know of that have Lifeteen Masses but are further from me. The Catholic church I’ve more recently attended when I attend does offer a teen Mass once a month but I don’t know about the music. I do recall the acoustic guitar Masses of yesteryear which I liked.
Yes, that (bolded) is what I meant when I said they count each country separately. I didn’t state it very clearly though.
I had to take two statistics classes as part of the college of business core classes for my finance major, but law school pretty much pushed all of that knowledge (along with a good bit of my finance knowledge) out of my head. I do remember that I hated regression analyses though.
(First, I havent read the thread, just answering the OP. I asked a few ex-Catholics I know. The theme was similar)
Not reading caused you to miss a lot. It’s had it positive and negative moments. There have been various reasons given though. I think reasons can vary depending on the person. But yes some of us have explained that basically a lack of belief in teachings can be a reason.
So did I. Though the A I got in undergrad stats was actually a score of 106 (IIRC), average of all tests and extra credit.
Numbers bewilder me. When I write my book I plan to have some one more skilled number the pages for me.
You are misconstruing the article. It is not 6000 to 1(P to C)
I have known two Catholic priests that ran off with their girlfriends and got married. Priests are people too and some are weaker than others. Usually when a priest leaves it is not because he lost his faith over doctrinal issues, but that his flesh is stronger than his spirit. So it is not limited to poor catechesis. Sometimes it comes down to finding a faith community that will accept one’s sinful behavior as not sinful at all.
It’s one way, not the only way. And no in some ways of course they do; but how is that offensive?
All you have said here is true. And it still comes down to poor catechesis. I was one of those rebellious youth as well and didn’t attend Mass for four years during college. I was having way too much fun (sex, drugs, rock & roll) and the only thing Mass would do for me was make me feel bad about it. Now, I never left the Catholic Church to find another and it was only through an extraordinary spiritual encounter that I was finally brought to my senses. God basically reached out of heaven and slapped me across the face, but that’s another story.
So then you retract the remark that the Catholic liturgy is “improper”?
Because you meant it as an insult.
I’m not big on conspiracies so I won’t accuse you of intentionally twisting “It’s not the ‘proper’ way to worship although it is one way and there’s nothing wrong with it” to say it’s “improper.”
Again, I’m not big on conspiracy theories and I don’t think you should be either.
From what I gather is that they are not neccesarily attracted to P churches but have some sort of conversion experience or a personal encounter with Jesus Christ in a way or unlike anything before. This "encounter’’ is usually due to interacting with a P believer, even a tv/ radio program. They then usually attend the church of that “evangelical” believer or one that resembles belief’s of tv/radio program. That is to say they were not proselytized to a particular church but to Jesus Christ. I think this will be the story of many ex Catholics whether they are now in a baptist or pentecostal church or in any of the 30,000 denominations. Of course the church has to be "evangelical’’ in the sense of preaching a personal encounter with Christ and of the need for a new birth.
Okay – you said it was not proper, but then added “there’s nothing wrong with it.”
