What are the reasons I should (or shouldn't) become Catholic?

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I clearly was not very careful in what I had written. Forgive me.

By “western” I mean that in our culture (European-American) that is civilized. As I consider the liberty of the intellectual a cultural ideal, and homosexuality an ideal form of love-expression, and secular education as the ideal form of education, I consider things like the Bible to be terribly non-Western (though it is very beautiful and poetic in parts). Homosexuality, intellectual freedom, secular education I consider to be the height of civilization.

One of the greatest civilizations I can imagine could be found in ancient Athens.

I don’t think this is what the Latin Church was trying to preserve. Maybe it did so by accident.

If so, the preservation and invention of western culture would be the Latin Church’s greatest sin, because it flies in the face of the type of culture they would consider ideal.
 
Coptic (orthodox) Church of egypt(africa) Was founded by St. Mark Himself 1st.
Rome only followed Peters Doctrine. Rome Didn’t get a patriarch till @ circa 600 ad.( quite close to Islam’s inception.)

The Romans used writings of Coptic Desert Fathers
as their own Doctrine. (St. Athinasius, etc…)
Shaved Faced, unmarried PRIESTS, and Sunday Worship (Christ still kept the Sabbath Holy while healing on it) are ALL earmarks of the Pagan origins of Catholic Traditions.
 
aristotle said:
I clearly was not very careful in what I had written. Forgive me.

By “western” I mean that in our culture (European-American) that is civilized. As I consider the liberty of the intellectual a cultural ideal, and homosexuality an ideal form of love-expression, and secular education as the ideal form of education, I consider things like the Bible to be terribly non-Western (though it is very beautiful and poetic in parts). Homosexuality, intellectual freedom, secular education I consider to be the height of civilization.
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Homosexuality itself is consider one of the grave sin that offends God. The Church from the beginning teaches that homosexual acts are mortal. St. Paul states it in his Letters. Intellectual freedom is a part what we call free will. The will do what is right and wrong. Free will is a gift from God, which mankind has abuse many times throughout the centuries.
One of the greatest civilizations I can imagine could be found in ancient Athens.
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I don’t think this is what the Latin Church was trying to preserve. Maybe it did so by accident.
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If so, the preservation and invention of western culture would be the Latin Church’s greatest sin, because it flies in the face of the type of culture they would consider ideal.
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No doubt Athens have provide many benefits in our society such as its philosphy and culture and language.

The Catholic Church is only preserving the moral right which has comes from God himself. The members of the Catholic Church have committed many sins both laity and clergy. Yet the teaching office of the Catholic Church has done to enforce moral code that is instill in us.
 
aristotle said:
Actually, I do know the greek. I find learning latin, at this time, a waste.

And, frankly, I have more important things to do than read into this history. I am not bothered by the casual knowledge.

And, clearly, neither are you, as you provided no quotation, and only insult.

I think I will not read the books you suggest. It seems as though you can provide me no good reason to, no argument to really defend your assertions about history. My time is too valuable to be wasted in blind allies.

Maybe other Catholics will have more of use to say.
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What a poor and lazy reply.

From the look of it, although you say you read Greek, you cannot have gotten very far in being ignorant of the two books I referred to.

Quotation? Do your own reading yourself.

Ignorant of Latin, you will never understand the West.

Other Catholics? Unless they know Greek and Latin well enough to be able to study Greece and Rome and Europe, best of luck.

Between the internet and your love for popular history, you will be mired in ignorance for some time.

God bless.
 
aristotle said:
I clearly was not very careful in what I had written. Forgive me.

By “western” I mean that in our culture (European-American) that is civilized. As I consider the liberty of the intellectual a cultural ideal, and homosexuality an ideal form of love-expression, and secular education as the ideal form of education, I consider things like the Bible to be terribly non-Western (though it is very beautiful and poetic in parts). Homosexuality, intellectual freedom, secular education I consider to be the height of civilization.

One of the greatest civilizations I can imagine could be found in ancient Athens.

I don’t think this is what the Latin Church was trying to preserve. Maybe it did so by accident.

If so, the preservation and invention of western culture would be the Latin Church’s greatest sin, because it flies in the face of the type of culture they would consider ideal.
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You are what Saint Paul calls a law unto yourself.

Keep reading.
 
I am Quoting Josef Ben-Johannen.
Moses Grew in Egypt.(still Africa when I checked this morning).

Rome has NO idea what Moses Learned in Egypt.(‘Educated’ guesses are not Facts)
Christ HIMSELF spent YEARS in Egypt.
Rome Has no idea what Christ did in Egypt .
(‘Educated’ guesses are not Facts)
Coptics Know. (Coptic is actually a Greek Word for ‘Egyptian’.)
Egypt is the Author of TriUne Theology.
Trinity Worship is not of europe.
Venus/Jupiter Veneration(eventually morphed into
‘jesus and mary’ veneration) is pagan european
styled.
 
SELASSIE said:
I am Quoting Josef Ben-Johannen.
Moses Grew in Egypt.(still Africa when I checked this morning).

Rome has NO idea what Moses Learned in Egypt.(‘Educated’ guesses are not Facts)
Christ HIMSELF spent YEARS in Egypt.
Rome Has no idea what Christ did in Egypt .
(‘Educated’ guesses are not Facts)
Coptics Know. (Coptic is actually a Greek Word for ‘Egyptian’.)
Egypt is the Author of TriUne Theology.
Trinity Worship is not of europe.
Venus/Jupiter Veneration(eventually morphed into
‘jesus and mary’ veneration) is pagan european
styled.
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These claims are unheard of and untrue. These are nothing but distorted view of the Catholic Church.

The Trinity is God’s revelation pronounced by the Catholic Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The claim Venus, Jupiter, and Veneration is sounds very bias to me.
 
SELASSIE said:
I am Quoting Josef Ben-Johannen.
Moses Grew in Egypt.(still Africa when I checked this morning).

Rome has NO idea what Moses Learned in Egypt.(‘Educated’ guesses are not Facts)
Christ HIMSELF spent YEARS in Egypt.
Rome Has no idea what Christ did in Egypt .
(‘Educated’ guesses are not Facts)
Coptics Know. (Coptic is actually a Greek Word for ‘Egyptian’.)
Egypt is the Author of TriUne Theology.
Trinity Worship is not of europe.
Venus/Jupiter Veneration(eventually morphed into
‘jesus and mary’ veneration) is pagan european
styled.
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And the point is?
 
aristotle said:
I clearly was not very careful in what I had written. Forgive me.

By “western” I mean that in our culture (European-American) that is civilized. As I consider the liberty of the intellectual a cultural ideal, and homosexuality an ideal form of love-expression, and secular education as the ideal form of education, I consider things like the Bible to be terribly non-Western (though it is very beautiful and poetic in parts). Homosexuality, intellectual freedom, secular education I consider to be the height of civilization.

One of the greatest civilizations I can imagine could be found in ancient Athens.

I don’t think this is what the Latin Church was trying to preserve. Maybe it did so by accident.

If so, the preservation and invention of western culture would be the Latin Church’s greatest sin, because it flies in the face of the type of culture they would consider ideal.
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OOOOH. That put a whole different face on things.

Ancient Athens. Slavery. Absolute subjugation of women. Pedophilia. Exploitation of satlellites to keep demogogery going at home (Delian League). Ethonocentrism. Racism. Government of the few, including home grown mob rule.

No, that’s not what the Latin Church was trying to perserve. Maybe it did so by accident.:eek:

Intellectual freedom of the intellectual. Hmmm, and everybody else? Btw I’m a product of the University of Chicago, so whatever you can do, I can do meta. Which brings up Leopold and Loeb…

Homosexuality an ideal form of love. Hmmmmm, won’t that keep your population down? Love without any possibility of it bearing fruit. Seems self absorbed.

Secular education. Hmmmmm, the public school system has been such a roaring success since they took prayer out of school. Every education system has an ideology, its just a question of which one. Btw I teach HS in the inner city by choice, giving up a university position to do so because I thought it important.

As for Athens height of culture, I remember a study on ancient Egyptian rheotoric, where the trechant remark was made that to the Egyptian mind truth made rhetoric “it was left to the Greeks to discover that rhetoric could serve lies as well.”

So back to your original question: don’t. You won’t be happy in the Latin Church, which I take on your take on what’s important in this world and the next. Since your preceding post states you don’t have time for books. Not for the Good Book. Not for the Greatest Story Ever Told. They wouldn’t want to bother you with the folly of the Cross.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
These claims are unheard of and untrue. These are nothing but distorted view of the Catholic Church.

The Trinity is God’s revelation pronounced by the Catholic Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The claim Venus, Jupiter, and Veneration is sounds very bias to me.
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yes, I have to agree.

St. Mark came to Egypt from ROME, sent by St. Peter. (btw I’m not a Tiber wader).

I might mention my name means Egyptian Jesus.

And I know Coptic.
 
SELASSIE said:
I am Quoting Josef Ben-Johannen.
Moses Grew in Egypt.(still Africa when I checked this morning).

Rome has NO idea what Moses Learned in Egypt.(‘Educated’ guesses are not Facts)
Christ HIMSELF spent YEARS in Egypt.
Rome Has no idea what Christ did in Egypt .
(‘Educated’ guesses are not Facts)
Coptics Know. (Coptic is actually a Greek Word for ‘Egyptian’.)
Egypt is the Author of TriUne Theology.
Trinity Worship is not of europe.
Venus/Jupiter Veneration(eventually morphed into
‘jesus and mary’ veneration) is pagan european
styled.
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How many years does Coptic tradition say that Jesus spent in Egypt? Orthodox and Catholic understanding is that Jesus spent most of his boyhood in Nazareth, Luke placing him there from the Purification until age 12 at least.

My Coptic friends have a tender and very well developed devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary and would be offended to learn that the veneration of Jesus and Mary is pagan, which it is not.
 
Tell lies somewhere else.
If you never heard this, you have not studied christ’s life.
Distorted to you, maybe.
How come the Eastern Orthodox Priests don’t have Catholic Styled problems ?
(like Catholic Priests’ worldwide RAPING of children by the 10’s of thousands in the last 50 years alone)
If you know nothings of the African Origins of Scriptures, well May the Author of All Life and Light
have mercy on your stiff neck and hard heart.

Don’t join a church that has THOUSANDS of
Child Rapists in it’s Employ.
 
SELASSIE said:
Tell lies somewhere else.
If you never heard this, you have not studied christ’s life.
Distorted to you, maybe.
How come the Eastern Orthodox have no problems
with Priests RAPING children?
(by the 10’s of thousands in the last 50 years alone)
If you know nothings of the African Origins of Scriptures, well May the Author of All Life and Light
have mercy on your stiff neck and hard heart.

Don’t join a church that has THOUSANDS of
Child Rapists in it’s Employ.
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boo. Show some respect to my Orthodox brethren. They don’t rape children; that is blasphemy to say such a thing.
 
SELASSIE said:
Tell lies somewhere else.
If you never heard this, you have not studied christ’s life.
Distorted to you, maybe.
How come the Eastern Orthodox have no problems
with Priests RAPING children?
(by the 10’s of thousands in the last 50 years alone)
If you know nothings of the African Origins of Scriptures, well May the Author of All Life and Light
have mercy on your stiff neck and hard heart.

Don’t join a church that has THOUSANDS of
Child Rapists in it’s Employ.
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What post is this a response to?
 
Isa_Almisry said:
They [the gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer,because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again.

ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.v.vii.vii.html

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Did Ignatius understand it as you do? Because between “transubstantiation” and “real presence” there is a huge variable, it is misleading to speak about “real presence” as if the term is equivalent to “transubstantiation.” Christians, who consider the bread and wine as strictly symbolical, also believe in the real presence of the Lord among them. Jesus said: “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20). Surely Christ is present in the congregation of His people, as He promises, especially during the celebration of the Supper. His presence is real even though it is spiritual and not carnal. I don’t believe even with Ignatius words you can differentiate, that would be reading more into the text than is there.
 
NOTE:
Eastern Orthodox have no child rape problems in
their midst. They do not rape children.

Sorry 'bout the poor wording of my last post.
 
SELASSIE said:
NOTE:
Eastern Orthodox have no child rape problems in
their midst. They do not rape children.

Sorry 'bout the poor wording of my last post.
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FWIW, there are several lawsuits involving Orthodox clergy and child molestation. This is not a problem exclusive to the Roman Church. Our Protestant friends are also not immune.
 
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