I dont have a literalist view, and neither do the Bible Christians. We (you, I & them) all know jesus couldnt really be speaking literally in that passage. I am only saying that there is a better way of conveying the message without using a very negative word.
Not this one, I hope!!!
If that is the Divine, I’d rather be an atheist.Not this one, I hope!!!
If we did not differ from bible Christians in this regard, we would be much closer in faith. I assure you that there are literalist views of scripture, but as you mentioned, they make no sense. Sorry about the pic, I couldn’t resist.
Agnos, if I drank, I would buy you one!If that is the Divine, I’d rather be an atheist.
You DON’T believe in God,… though you MAY believe in “the divine” (whatever that may mean to you).
you made me laugh, thank you.Sorry about the pic, I couldn’t resist.
The way i see it you both are much closer in faith than you both realized. Often a catholic & a protestant would argue around a theory that really produces the same result for both parties. Like the issue of salvation & good works.
catholics & bible christians are both guilty of such literalist views that makes no sense.
I certainly dont believe in your version of God.
Thats just you. Catholicism itself doesnt support that opinion.
Try googling “Agnostic Theist”
You keep quoting the Bible…my friend, there are ways of conveying a message without relying on cultural symbols. Like the golden rule: pure message, zero culture. Anyway, much of jesus teachings are not bound by cultural symbols.
Then you don’t believe in God. Period. You believe in your “god”, which is what “atheists” (however you define yourself) do. That we can agree on.
Prove me wrong. To be a Christian, you must believe in the revealed God, and to believe in any other “god” is simply idolarty, which is condemned. Period.
From Wikipedia link:
Ah, but there’s the rub. We think as man does and not as God does. That is why we have the gift of faith.
its a pretty good book. lots of useful lessons that even the infidel could use. my favorites are the gospels, proverbs & ecclessiastes.
There you go again trying to tell God how he should be. The clay telling the Creator how to make the pot.
They DID understand what Jesus was doing, that’s why they left. Notice some didn’t drop their stones, meaning they held on to their judgements.
Every forum just have its share of bigots. "I’m not listening! Either you believe in the bible version of God or you dont believe in God at all!"
I’m in the negative which means I dont have to prove anything.
who said anything about being religious? i have faith, not religion. and i’m not religious.
I’m listening to you, silly.
You said, “Catholicism itself doesnt support that opinion.”
According to a non-you definition of “faith”, faith is component of religion. Therefore, your religion is defined by your faith.
I’m merely stating the facts of my belief, which is that unless you believe in God, as opposed to (one of the) “gods”, then you don’t believe in God.
I think that’s pretty logical.
:yup:Don’t say you didn’t ask for it Agnus, I mean AgnosAccording to a non-you definition of “faith”, faith is component of religion. Therefore, your religion is defined by your faith.
You may define things as you like. But to me, you have a religion, and your denying having a religion is simple contradiction.
We disagree on things. Deal with it.
Best to you, you anti-religious bigot.
But you’re getting closer…:yup:
You religiously visit the forum…
I just knew I’m gonna get it this from you!
Your’re getting so close, it’s scaring meI just knew I’m gonna get it this from you!