This hubris annoys me. It is expressed out of ignorance. If you had been following this thread you would know already that there are Orthodox miracles and apparitions which would confirm our faith.
Pretty much what I responded to with the article to begin with. Problem is there is no us and them. There is just an us. And that us would be Christians.
Gary, that is completely uncalled for, as well as contradictory given you earlier stance that “non-PhDs” shouldn’t make medical/psychological pronouncements (unless you are a doctor).
How was my Church founded by Rome? I am a member of Orthodox Church in America, which was established by the Russians, whose church was established under the guidance of the Ecumenical Patriarch. Specifically, what event happened at +300 years that you consider “building”?And exactly what doesn’t fit in your SO DIFFERENT church thats doesn’t coincide with the 2000 years of THE ONE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH in ROME which btw built YOUR church 300+ years “later”.
This is an illogical point. Do you have a PhD in History/Classical Arabic/Literature? If not, you are not qualified to pass the Qur’an off as fiction.
Because you said, and I quote “…Fatima and Lourdes IS confirmed by the medical field.” If this were true, and it was confirmed by “the medical field”, all doctors would accept such evidence as proof of said miracles. Things confirmed by “the medical field” are accepted as fact in the medical community. Maybe some doctors believe in such things, but certainly not all.
Actually, that is not true at all. Mind evaluation has changed more in the past 200 years than about any other field, just look at the growth in the field of psychology.
But from your point of the view, an divine apparition would be leading people into a schismatic church. What happened to : “Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
Quote from you : “Sorry to inform you. Its such a severe break in the laws of nature, it could be nothing but God”
And “will perform” means capable.
You should read about prelest. Many people claim to hear God. In almost every case, it is the ego/demonic. If a voice claims to be God, it is safer to not trust it and seek spiritual guidance from someone who has actually seen God.
But this is completely contrary to your initial criticism of the article. Your entire basis for rejecting her article was not refutation through rational argument, but rather your claim that she (presumably) lacks a PhD. Your attacks on her were unjustified (as well as vicious and personal).
She does lack any degree in the medical field, how could she possibly evaluate someone without ever first speaking to them and second having any knowledge in that area.
So it is about degrees then? As I have already demonstrated, you degree requirement system is faulty due to a double standard. You wish to subject her to level of scrutiny that you are unwilling to take upon yourself (in calling the Qur’an a work of fiction).She does lack any degree in the medical field, how could she possibly evaluate someone without ever first speaking to them and second having any knowledge in that area.
And I say her attacks were vicious personal and unjustifed. You see how arbitrarily promoted, arbitararily denied works now?
Hey Mark I really don’t care if someone has a degree or not. I think no less of a needy homeless person, drug addicted, than I think of the President of the US with a Harvard degree. In fact I worked with these very people for decades. And took a salary cut to do exactly that.
You haven’t arbitrarily denied anything. You specifically stated that the reason behind rejecting her writings was lack of PhDs. If you have recanted that position, then so be it.
Sorry you just don’t get it, I will pray for you. Its an arbitrarily promoted article, and is about as valid as the above articles which state the EO needs to be Consecrated and Converted.
Sorry that you interpreted it that way. It was not written in “hubris”. However, if one is inclined to be easily offended, “hubris” can cut both ways, as it is no secret that your Church claims to also be the one true Faith.
Those miracles and apparitions are perfectly acceptable, in my opinion, as the Catholic Church also confirms your Faith to a high degree.
Likewise, if you had been following the few posts that I have made, you should be able to recognize that I do not build my faith on signs and wonders.
The Roman claim to be the one true Church was not the hubris I was speaking of. That is a given in all conversations between Orthodox and Catholics.
Apparitions, in my opinion should not be giving doctrine and dogma.
That is not the impression you give, but I digress.
Sounds about right.
Right, pretty much what we have been trying to avoid and point out throughout this thread. How the Church was established and how the faith is lived out throughout history is well documented, and is testified in witness by us here also, many times over. Its really just an effort to raise everyone’s awareness, not to allude to a unknown speculation. We all know everyone wants to defend their faith, and often become defensive. But we must remember that faith is one faith called Christianity. The Universal Church as one is what Christ prayed for. Thus that is what we should strive and pray for also. Its correct Biblical understanding.