What are you protesting?

[GregoryPalamas]

How about the fact that the Bible says nothing at all about Mary being sinless. It talks about Christ, but nothing about Mary in that regard. It simply says that she was a virgin until He was born. Matt 1:25

You guys pray to Mary. You include her in your worship songs. You place so much emphasis on her. Pope John Paul II had dedicated his life to Mary apparently. How about a form of pennance you guys have inwhich you say “hail Mary” a certain amount of times and this reduces your time in purgatory. That is iodolatry.

Jesus was born of Mary. If Mary was sinful when she gave birth to Christ then so was Christ. Are you saying that Mary was not a Virgin when Christ was born?

I asked a friend the other day “I pray that you will pray for me.” Did I commit idolatry?

CDL

 

[Benu2007]

Our definition of blessed
held in reverence : venerated b: honored in worship : hallowed c: beatific
2: of or enjoying happiness; specifically : enjoying the bliss of heaven

Even using the king James version which is the basic standard bible used by protestants it says

King James Version- “And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.”

Now that is blessed among all women. that includes Eve and Eve would have been blessed most if Mary was with sin for Eve surely was first without sin so it only goes to reason if Mary was blessed most among all women than she was without sin.
“She [Elizabeth] cried out and said, ‘Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb‘. ‘Blessed are you among women’ — not only blessed among women, but specially distinguished among blessed women by a greater blessing. ‘Blessed the fruit of your womb’ — not that he was blessed in a general way of saints, but, as the Apostle [Rom 9:5] says, To them belong the patriarchs, [and] from them, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who above all, God blessed for ages.

You say Mary was blessed, and you are right. But those who obey God’s word are even more blessed.

Luke 11:27-28. “‘As He was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out. "God bless your mother- the womb from which You came, and the breasts that nursed You!’ Jesus replied, ‘But even more blessed are those who hear the word of God and put it into practice.’”

Look you can say all you want about this, but you are not using scripture, except in saying she was blessed. Yes she was blessed, but because she had the privelige of giving birth to the Messiah. Show me a quote in the Bible which says Mary was born without sin. How could she if both he parents we sinners?

 

[Benu2007]

You begin with screwed up history in which there is no basis in fact and then condemn the supposed practitioners of error with your interpretation scripture. You are chasing after shadows. If you would really study these matters you would not make so many mistaken assumptions.
CDL

The indulgences are well know facts. You cannot deny this. Look at secular sources. They will say the same thing. Why don’t you do some research and look outside Catholic sources?

 

[Benu2007]

I asked you a question and you have ignored or refused to answer it.

Must you forgive to be forgiven?

Yes.

If you don’t forgive then you are still living in sin

If you are a drunkard or blasphemer and you continue to do these things then it is obvious that you haven’t made Christ your Lord.

But the act of forgiving does not make us right with God. Only when you believe in Christs sacrifice will you be made right with God.

 

[c659smith]

You say Mary was blessed, and you are right. But those who obey God’s word are even more blessed.

Luke 11:27-28. “‘As He was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out. "God bless your mother- the womb from which You came, and the breasts that nursed You!’ Jesus replied, ‘But even more blessed are those who hear the word of God and put it into practice.’”

Look you can say all you want about this, but you are not using scripture, except in saying she was blessed. Yes she was blessed, but because she had the privelige of giving birth to the Messiah. Show me a quote in the Bible which says Mary was born without sin. How could she if both he parents we sinners?

Not only was Mary Blessed but she was full of Grace and this is before she gave consent to the Angel Gabriel.

For before birth and after birth is scripture that Anne Mary’s mother gave Mary for the Temple --for God. and that is scripture.

According to the world-renowned patristics scholar, Johannes Quasten: “The principal aim of the whole writing * is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ” (Patrology, 1:120–1).

The Protoevangelium records that when Mary’s birth was prophesied, her mother, St. Anne, vowed that she would devote the child to the service of the Lord, as Samuel had been by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). Mary would thus serve the Lord at the Temple, as women had for centuries (1 Sam. 2:22), and as Anna the prophetess did at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:36–37). A life of continual, devoted service to the Lord at the Temple meant that Mary would not be able to live the ordinary life of a child-rearing mother. Rather, she was vowed to a life of perpetual virginity.

However, due to considerations of ceremonial cleanliness, it was eventually necessary for Mary, a consecrated “virgin of the Lord,” to have a guardian or protector who would respect her vow of virginity. Thus, according to the Protoevangelium, Joseph, an elderly widower who already had children, was chosen to be her spouse. (This would also explain why Joseph was apparently dead by the time of Jesus’ adult ministry, since he does not appear during it in the gospels, and since Mary is entrusted to John, rather than to her husband Joseph, at the crucifixion).*

 

[c659smith]

You say Mary was blessed, and you are right. But those who obey God’s word are even more blessed.

Luke 11:27-28. “‘As He was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out. "God bless your mother- the womb from which You came, and the breasts that nursed You!’ Jesus replied, ‘But even more blessed are those who hear the word of God and put it into practice.’”

Look you can say all you want about this, but you are not using scripture, except in saying she was blessed. Yes she was blessed, but because she had the privelige of giving birth to the Messiah. Show me a quote in the Bible which says Mary was born without sin. How could she if both he parents we sinners?

continued from previous post

And behold, an angel of the Lord stood by [St. Anne], saying, ‘Anne! Anne! The Lord has heard your prayer, and you shall conceive and shall bring forth, and your seed shall be spoken of in all the world.’ And Anne said, ‘As the Lord my God lives, if I beget either male or female, I will bring it as a gift to the Lord my God, and it shall minister to him in the holy things all the days of its life.’ . . . And [from the time she was three] Mary was in the temple of the Lord as if she were a dove that dwelt there" (Protoevangelium of James 4, 7 [A.D. 120]).

“And when she was twelve years old there was held a council of priests, saying, ‘Behold, Mary has reached the age of twelve years in the temple of the Lord. What then shall we do with her, lest perchance she defile the sanctuary of the Lord?’ And they said to the high priest, ‘You stand by the altar of the Lord; go in and pray concerning her, and whatever the Lord shall manifest to you, that also will we do.’ . . . [A]nd he prayed concerning her, and behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him saying, ‘Zechariah! Zechariah! Go out and assemble the widowers of the people and let them bring each his rod, and to whomsoever the Lord shall show a sign, his wife shall she be. . . . And Joseph [was chosen]. . . . And the priest said to Joseph, ‘You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the Virgin of the Lord.’ But Joseph refused, saying, ‘I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl’” (ibid., 8–9).

“And Annas the scribe came to him [Joseph] . . . and saw that Mary was with child. And he ran away to the priest and said to him, ‘Joseph, whom you did vouch for, has committed a grievous crime.’ And the priest said, ‘How so?’ And he said, ‘He has defiled the virgin whom he received out of the temple of the Lord and has married her by stealth’” (ibid., 15).

“And the priest said, ‘Mary, why have you done this? And why have you brought your soul low and forgotten the Lord your God?’ . . . And she wept bitterly saying, ‘As the Lord my God lives, I am pure before him, and know not man’” (ibid.).

 

[c659smith]

Not only was Mary Blessed but she was full of Grace and this is before she gave consent to the Angel Gabriel.

For before birth and after birth is scripture that Anne Mary’s mother gave Mary for the Temple --for God. and that is scripture.

According to the world-renowned patristics scholar, Johannes Quasten: “The principal aim of the whole writing * is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ” (Patrology, 1:120–1).

The Protoevangelium records that when Mary’s birth was prophesied, her mother, St. Anne, vowed that she would devote the child to the service of the Lord, as Samuel had been by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). Mary would thus serve the Lord at the Temple, as women had for centuries (1 Sam. 2:22), and as Anna the prophetess did at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:36–37). A life of continual, devoted service to the Lord at the Temple meant that Mary would not be able to live the ordinary life of a child-rearing mother. Rather, she was vowed to a life of perpetual virginity.

However, due to considerations of ceremonial cleanliness, it was eventually necessary for Mary, a consecrated “virgin of the Lord,” to have a guardian or protector who would respect her vow of virginity. Thus, according to the Protoevangelium, Joseph, an elderly widower who already had children, was chosen to be her spouse. (This would also explain why Joseph was apparently dead by the time of Jesus’ adult ministry, since he does not appear during it in the gospels, and since Mary is entrusted to John, rather than to her husband Joseph, at the crucifixion).*

 

[Singinbeauty]

Jesus was born of Mary. If Mary was sinful when she gave birth to Christ then so was Christ.

So Mary’s mother was sinless too?

 

[c659smith]

Yes.

If you don’t forgive then you are still living in sin

If you are a drunkard or blasphemer and you continue to do these things then it is obvious that you haven’t made Christ your Lord.

But the act of forgiving does not make us right with God. Only when you believe in Christs sacrifice will you be made right with God.

we have to forgive others in order to have our sins forgiven by God? If yes, then we are not saved by faith alone. After all, we cannot be saved if we do not have our sins forgiven, and we cannot have our sins forgiven if we do not forgive others. Therefore, we are saved by faith and at least one work: the work of forgiving others of their sins against us. If a person’s answer is no, that we do not have to forgive others in order to have our sins forgiven, then he is going directly against what Jesus says in Matthew 6:14.

 

[Believe_85]

FYI there are two other threads discussing the biblical basis for Mary on the Page 2 of this forum

 

[c659smith]

You say Mary was blessed, and you are right. But those who obey God’s word are even more blessed.

Luke 11:27-28. “‘As He was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out. "God bless your mother- the womb from which You came, and the breasts that nursed You!’ Jesus replied, ‘But even more blessed are those who hear the word of God and put it into practice.’”

Look you can say all you want about this, but you are not using scripture, except in saying she was blessed. Yes she was blessed, but because she had the privelige of giving birth to the Messiah. Show me a quote in the Bible which says Mary was born without sin. How could she if both he parents we sinners?

And Jesus said
28 Peter began to say to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You.” 29 Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel’s sake, 30 but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life. 31 “But many who are first will be last, and the last, first.”

I can also quote greatest is least and least is greatest say when Jesus talks of John the Baptist.

What is the total scripture saying?

What is being said that in heaven none of us is last or first and none of us are greatest or least.

What did Jesus say to the Apostle Thomas after he placed his hand in the wounds of Christ?

So when Jesus was talking about the comment of His Mother was not a comparison of Her Holiness or John the Baptist’s but John the Baptist and Mary know who Christ is.

Do you see how scripture is tied together? What is being said? you must use the whole scripture not part.

 

[Benu2007]

Thou shall obey thy mother and father

For do you think God disrrespects his earthly Mother?

Do you think that Jesus would think you are disrespecing Him asking for His earthly Mother’s HELP.?

Do you not think She is closest to Him for it is Mary that had her heart pierced not us.

Your question is rather strange though as Christ=God=Holy Spirit for they are one in the same. 3 in 1

Can you please name one verse in the bible that says we should ask Mary to pray for us or that says Mary is our mother. The Bible says Abraham was our spiritual father (Romans 4:11) yet no one puts any emphasis on him, why, because he’s just a man.

King David was Mary’s ancestor, thus greater because he was her fore father.

Yet Jesus said this to the religious leaders in Luke 22:41-44. “Why is it, that the Messiah is said to be the son of David. For David himself wrote in the book of Psalms: ‘The LORD said to my Lord. Sit in the place of honour at my right hand until I humble your enemies, making them a footstool under Your feet.’ Since David called the Messiah ‘Lord,’ how can the Messiah be his son?”

If Jesus was David’s Lord then He was certainly Mary’s

Yes you may ask your friends to pray for you, this is always good. But it is a prayer from a righteous person that God hears (James 5:16-18). The point I am making is that you guys put so much emphasis on a person. You say that Mary was great because she was Jesus’ mother, but Jesus was greater than her because He is God.

You even said what I was saying in John 16:26-27 was out of context. Then what was Jesus really meaning? This is my point you’ll hold so tightly to something that fits with what your saying but does not you “that’s out of context.” Well how was it?

 

[Believe_85]

Hey c659smith,
look into the Catholic teaching of the communion of saints…That will bolster your argument

 

[Benu2007]

And Jesus said
28 Peter began to say to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You.” 29 Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel’s sake, 30 but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life. 31 “But many who are first will be last, and the last, first.”

I can also quote greatest is least and least is greatest say when Jesus talks of John the Baptist.

What is the total scripture saying?

What is being said that in heaven none of us is last or first and none of us are greatest or least.

What did Jesus say to the Apostle Thomas after he placed his hand in the wounds of Christ?

So when Jesus was talking about the comment of His Mother was not a comparison of Her Holiness or John the Baptist’s but John the Baptist and Mary know who Christ is.

Do you see how scripture is tied together? What is being said? you must use the whole scripture not part.

Well why not read the passage and tell me if it has been taken out of context.

And show me verses in the bible that disagree with this. Some you have shown me say that Mary was blessed. But this is saying that those who obey the word of God are more blessed.

Here is the passage. Tell me what Jesus was saying if it’s not what I just said.

14 One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn’t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed, 15 but some of them said, “No wonder he can cast out demons. He gets his power from Satan,[f] the prince of demons.” 16 Others, trying to test Jesus, demanded that he show them a miraculous sign from heaven to prove his authority.
17 He knew their thoughts, so he said, “Any kingdom divided by civil war is doomed. A family splintered by feuding will fall apart. 18 You say I am empowered by Satan. But if Satan is divided and fighting against himself, how can his kingdom survive? 19 And if I am empowered by Satan, what about your own exorcists? They cast out demons, too, so they will condemn you for what you have said. 20 But if I am casting out demons by the power of God,[g] then the Kingdom of God has arrived among you. 21 For when a strong man like Satan is fully armed and guards his palace, his possessions are safe—22 until someone even stronger attacks and overpowers him, strips him of his weapons, and carries off his belongings.

23 “Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me.

24 “When an evil[h] spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, searching for rest. But when it finds none, it says, ‘I will return to the person I came from.’ 25 So it returns and finds that its former home is all swept and in order. 26 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before.”

27 As he was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out, “God bless your mother—the womb from which you came, and the breasts that nursed you!”

28 Jesus replied, “But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice.”

The Sign of Jonah
29 As the crowd pressed in on Jesus, he said, “This evil generation keeps asking me to show them a miraculous sign. But the only sign I will give them is the sign of Jonah. 30 What happened to him was a sign to the people of Nineveh that God had sent him. What happens to the Son of Man* will be a sign to these people that he was sent by God.
31 “The queen of Sheba[j] will stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for she came from a distant land to hear the wisdom of Solomon. Now someone greater than Solomon is here—but you refuse to listen. 32 The people of Nineveh will also stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for they repented of their sins at the preaching of Jonah. Now someone greater than Jonah is here—but you refuse to repent.

Receiving the Light
33 “No one lights a lamp and then hides it or puts it under a basket.[k] Instead, a lamp is placed on a stand, where its light can be seen by all who enter the house.
34 “Your eye is a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is good, your whole body is filled with light. But when it is bad, your body is filled with darkness. 35 Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness. 36 If you are filled with light, with no dark corners, then your whole life will be radiant, as though a floodlight were filling you with light.”*

 

[c659smith]

So Mary’s mother was sinless too?

Mary’s Mother, Saint Anne was born of originall sin.
the Angel came to Saint Anne and told her what was to happen.
Saint Anne obeyed.

 

[c659smith]

Well why not read the passage and tell me if it has been taken out of context.

And show me verses in the bible that disagree with this. Some you have shown me say that Mary was blessed. But this is saying that those who obey the word of God are more blessed.

Here is the passage. Tell me what Jesus was saying if it’s not what I just said.

14 One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn’t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed, 15 but some of them said, “No wonder he can cast out demons. He gets his power from Satan,[f] the prince of demons.” 16 Others, trying to test Jesus, demanded that he show them a miraculous sign from heaven to prove his authority.
17 He knew their thoughts, so he said, “Any kingdom divided by civil war is doomed. A family splintered by feuding will fall apart. 18 You say I am empowered by Satan. But if Satan is divided and fighting against himself, how can his kingdom survive? 19 And if I am empowered by Satan, what about your own exorcists? They cast out demons, too, so they will condemn you for what you have said. 20 But if I am casting out demons by the power of God,[g] then the Kingdom of God has arrived among you. 21 For when a strong man like Satan is fully armed and guards his palace, his possessions are safe—22 until someone even stronger attacks and overpowers him, strips him of his weapons, and carries off his belongings.

23 “Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me.

24 “When an evil[h] spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, searching for rest. But when it finds none, it says, ‘I will return to the person I came from.’ 25 So it returns and finds that its former home is all swept and in order. 26 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before.”

Well first Jesus is speaking and performing Miracles and the Jewish Priests are trying to show that what Jesus is doing comes from the devil and not God as He is preaching.​

Now as Jesus is defending His actions a Woman from the crowd speaks out and interrupts as is done in everyday life to us all but Jesus answers her and returns back to the original conversation He answers the woman to tell her do not worry about how blessed my mother is but worry about yourself for the woman is not listening so she cannot practice what she does not hear. Remember she interrupts.

 

[c659smith]

Well why not read the passage and tell me if it has been taken out of context.

And show me verses in the bible that disagree with this. Some you have shown me say that Mary was blessed. But this is saying that those who obey the word of God are more blessed.

Here is the passage. Tell me what Jesus was saying if it’s not what I just said.

14 One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn’t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed, 15 but some of them said, “No wonder he can cast out demons. He gets his power from Satan,[f] the prince of demons.” 16 Others, trying to test Jesus, demanded that he show them a miraculous sign from heaven to prove his authority.
17 He knew their thoughts, so he said, “Any kingdom divided by civil war is doomed. A family splintered by feuding will fall apart. 18 You say I am empowered by Satan. But if Satan is divided and fighting against himself, how can his kingdom survive? 19 And if I am empowered by Satan, what about your own exorcists? They cast out demons, too, so they will condemn you for what you have said. 20 But if I am casting out demons by the power of God,[g] then the Kingdom of God has arrived among you. 21 For when a strong man like Satan is fully armed and guards his palace, his possessions are safe—22 until someone even stronger attacks and overpowers him, strips him of his weapons, and carries off his belongings.

23 “Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me.

24 “When an evil[h] spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, searching for rest. But when it finds none, it says, ‘I will return to the person I came from.’ 25 So it returns and finds that its former home is all swept and in order. 26 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before.”
27 As he was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out, “God bless your mother—the womb from which you came, and the breasts that nursed you!”

28 Jesus replied, “But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice.”

The Sign of Jonah
29 As the crowd pressed in on Jesus, he said, “This evil generation keeps asking me to show them a miraculous sign. But the only sign I will give them is the sign of Jonah. 30 What happened to him was a sign to the people of Nineveh that God had sent him. What happens to the Son of Man* will be a sign to these people that he was sent by God.
31 “The queen of Sheba[j] will stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for she came from a distant land to hear the wisdom of Solomon. Now someone greater than Solomon is here—but you refuse to listen. 32 The people of Nineveh will also stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for they repented of their sins at the preaching of Jonah. Now someone greater than Jonah is here—but you refuse to repent.

Receiving the Light
33 “No one lights a lamp and then hides it or puts it under a basket.[k] Instead, a lamp is placed on a stand, where its light can be seen by all who enter the house.
34 “Your eye is a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is good, your whole body is filled with light. But when it is bad, your body is filled with darkness. 35 Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness. 36 If you are filled with light, with no dark corners, then your whole life will be radiant, as though a floodlight were filling you with light.”*

14 One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn’t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed, 15 but some of them said, “No wonder he can cast out demons. He gets his power from Satan,[f] the prince of demons.” 16 Others, trying to test Jesus, demanded that he show them a miraculous sign from heaven to prove his authority.
17 He knew their thoughts, so he said, “Any kingdom divided by civil war is doomed. A family splintered by feuding will fall apart. 18 You say I am empowered by Satan. But if Satan is divided and fighting against himself, how can his kingdom survive? 19 And if I am empowered by Satan, what about your own exorcists? They cast out demons, too, so they will condemn you for what you have said. 20 But if I am casting out demons by the power of God,[g] then the Kingdom of God has arrived among you. 21 For when a strong man like Satan is fully armed and guards his palace, his possessions are safe—22 until someone even stronger attacks and overpowers him, strips him of his weapons, and carries off his belongings.

23 “Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me.

24 “When an evil[h] spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, searching for rest. But when it finds none, it says, ‘I will return to the person I came from.’ 25 So it returns and finds that its former home is all swept and in order. 26 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before.”

This scripture I am sorry to say reminds me of the reformation and how the Protestant Churches continue to divide and split.

Come back home to the Catholic Church.

 

[c659smith]

Receiving the Light
33 “No one lights a lamp and then hides it or puts it under a basket.[k] Instead, a lamp is placed on a stand, where its light can be seen by all who enter the house.
34 “Your eye is a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is good, your whole body is filled with light. But when it is bad, your body is filled with darkness. 35 Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness. 36 If you are filled with light, with no dark corners, then your whole life will be radiant, as though a floodlight were filling you with light.”

They know we are CHRISTIANS BY WORKS==our Love—do not hide it but do not boast

 

[c659smith]

Receiving the Light
33 “No one lights a lamp and then hides it or puts it under a basket.[k] Instead, a lamp is placed on a stand, where its light can be seen by all who enter the house.
34 “Your eye is a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is good, your whole body is filled with light. But when it is bad, your body is filled with darkness. 35 Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness. 36 If you are filled with light, with no dark corners, then your whole life will be radiant, as though a floodlight were filling you with light.”

They know we are CHRISTIANS BY WORKS==our Love—do not hide it but do not boast

TO: BENU2007

The Catholic Church does not hide what it is.

The Catholic Church has for over 2000 years survived and still prospers and does not fall under scrunity/ persecution / or scandal

The Catholic Church now has grown to the largest religion in the world 1.2 billion

Even with the evils done by some of it’s members like Judas did during Jesus’s time we are sustained for we know nothing shall destroy her as promised by Jesus.

The Catholic Church is that lantern follow it.

 

[Singinbeauty]

Mary’s Mother, Saint Anne was born of originall sin.
the Angel came to Saint Anne and told her what was to happen.
Saint Anne obeyed.

Under the logic that Mary had to be sinless so that Jesus could be too it would mean that Mary’s mother would have to be sinless also. Why would Jesus have to have a sinless mother to be born sinless when Mary’s was born of original sin and Mary was saved? He’s God for goodness sakes!!!