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This video is physically repulsive. A priest actually says that gay sex is ok according to the bible? He needs some prayers.
What are your ideas for the LGBT person's vocation in the Church?
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MaryClare
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I am not here to argue but to grow in faith and understanding.
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Bruised_Reed
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This was added after I replied. But no, most of us are not here to argue. We want to discuss the subject in the OP but others, one in particular, has consistently derailed the thread with their agenda. I felt compelled to respond, especially to posts containing opinions, that aren’t even encouraged by the Church, about what is required for an LGBT person to be holy. I’m hoping that the thread can re-focus on the LGBT persons’ vocation in the Church.
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DarkLight
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I’d say this is a lot of it.
Even if you keep it to yourself, there’s a lot of suspicion that there must be something wrong with a person who doesn’t marry. Especially if it’s known that you’ve had interest (I have). And I think the flip side of the focus on sexuality is a lot of people nowadays are very wary of close friendships - doubly so if one party is known to have same-sex attraction.
The family thing can be very accurate. I’ve gone through a lot of that, although in my case it admittedly has nothing to do with LGBT anything. But I think a lack of a supportive nuclear family can make it much harder. You can kind of feel like you don’t belong anywhere, that you’re supposed to be living in the world but also sort of living as a hermit who stays out of the way of the normal married people.
Also, if @gab123, if I wanted to just read the Bible I’d have stayed a Baptist. One of the beauties of the Catholic church is that we have saints and wise men and women and a community to step in and help us along - we’re not just sitting in the pew on Sunday and then going home and reading the Bible all by ourselves and trying to figure out how to apply it to our lives all by ourselves. I want those with LGBT attractions to have that too, without being shunned or shamed or told to just figure it out on their own or that the only option is to try to become straight.
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Bruised_Reed
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“Parish family” was very important to my mom. She never wanted to be far from home on important Catholic holidays because she wanted to be at her parish family, especially as she got older. When I am asked what the Catholic church means to me I say family, layers of family; but I think the word “family” can be a loaded word for those who have a tense relationship with family if they have one at all. So I think community is key, those of us who don’t have family or one nearby or one we can rely on, have to create one.
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Gab123
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Homosexuality is a psychological condition not a physical condition; it does nobody any spiritual good to rationalize it as an identity to embrace as it only ushers in moral disorder. A Catholic man complaining about the hardship he has to endure because he is sexually turned on by another man is really just a mental block, as testified by men who have left the gay identity and went on to find a spouse and had families of their own. Such complaints are a resentment toward God; a rejection of the life companion God designed for man; a “sorry, not good enough” mentality.
In the time of Christ and for most of human history, young men and women married someone that was chosen for them in arranged marriages, with the primary function of the sexual organs being to procreate children who would contribute to the well being of the family; sons and daughters who were blessings who would grow to help farm the land, helping parents work out a livelihood and being the generation that would care for aging parents.
The “LGBTTQQ” movement is the fruits of the seeds from the 1960s, which ushered in the proliferation of artificial contraception—an anti-life mentality of sex without responsibility; sex outside of marriage, sex for the sake of having sex; children the product of fornication; for ication as a sport, adultery and divorce destroying families and the mental stability of children; militant feminism, feminization of men; sex that is anti-life; millions of abortions; sex that is anti-nature, generations of deaths from sexually transmitted disease; slaves of perversions; the desecration of the body celebrated as a family events in annual parades; body worship, the worship of sexual organs; the worship of self; the replacement of God with the gods of this world.
People wonder why there are so many suicides, so much addiction, so much depression, so many children growing up with psychological problems, children killing children, women killing their sons and daughters, society institutionalizing sodomy and a horde of people whose minds have been poisoned by the enemy, polluted by the world and seduced by false teachings disguised as love, truth, mercy, justice and honor, perverting the minds of children and urging members of the Church to march against the Church; killing the purpose of sex, killing the purpose of family, killing the purpose of life on earth, in exchange for a lie.
If people 75 year ago could see what the future was like today, surely they would realize the devil was behind the culture of death. Kind of reminds me of how George Bailey was shown the two world, the one he lived and the one that would have been had he killed himself.
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I was raised Southern Baptist, and at least one thing I got out of that is the belief that with serious study, lay people can interpret Scripture for themselves instead of always relying on clergy to tell them what it all means. Because I have a background in the study of Semitic languages in college, I can even do some reading in the original Hebrew of the Old Testament.
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What exactly is the real difference between a “psychological condition” and a “physical condition”? The brain is just as much a part of the physical body as the heart or the liver or the kidneys. We might not understand as well yet how the brain works, but it is a physical thing with neurons and neurotransmitters and hormones. And people can’t just will their brains to change. If someone, for example, suffers from depression, they can’t always just think it away since there might be physical problems in the way that the brain regulates moods. And someone who has ADHD can’t just make themselves pay attention better to a boring lecture or stay more organized by exercising a little will power. It’s not just a matter of a “mental block” whatever that means.
And once the brain has developed in a certain way during childhood, it can’t necessarily be changed as an adult. And physical changes can happen in the chemical epigenetic markers that overlie a person’s DNA during childhood that will influence how the DNA is read and will stay with that person for the rest of their life.
And just because some men claim to have changed their sexual orientation, this doesn’t mean all that much. The number who have made these claims are quite tiny and we don’t know where they were at on the Kinsey Scale before the supposed change. Most of these claims can’t even be verified.
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You seem to assume that things were completely different 75 years ago, that no one had psychological problems, committed adultery, committed suicide, etc. You probably have an overly romanticized view of the past. You should try reading Michael Lesy’s Wisconsin Death Trip. According to Amazon:
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simpleas
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Where in the video does the priest say that? I must have missed it…
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I think that LGBT people should strive to be “like what the priest, nuns and religious are”. They are married to Christ.
I think the Breviary, Adoration and daily Mass are beautiful. At the moment I go to Adoration when I can. What a better place to be part of a community than the church!
I am trying to outgrow my fear of people. Sometimes I don’t know what affection is. I know that brotherly affection means helping your fellow brother in Christ if you can, because you care.
If I feel love, I don’t know if it is real or good or bad. The only solution would be to pray to Jesus, ask counsel from the Holy Spirit to give me a healthy conscience.
In the confessional, the young Italian priest immediately picked up my confused sense of sexuality and he did not protest it, but gave me some advice and said that “you are not alone”.
I think the Breviary, Adoration and daily Mass are beautiful. At the moment I go to Adoration when I can. What a better place to be part of a community than the church!
I am trying to outgrow my fear of people. Sometimes I don’t know what affection is. I know that brotherly affection means helping your fellow brother in Christ if you can, because you care.
If I feel love, I don’t know if it is real or good or bad. The only solution would be to pray to Jesus, ask counsel from the Holy Spirit to give me a healthy conscience.
In the confessional, the young Italian priest immediately picked up my confused sense of sexuality and he did not protest it, but gave me some advice and said that “you are not alone”.
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Alex5
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There is no such thing as the gay community just as much as there is no such thing as the straight community.
Society likes to think that all gay men look after themselves, have spotlessly clean homes and are promiscuous. Yes some do but many are celibate and some are in longterm committed relationships.
With regards to pride lots of gay people don’t go near these events because they feel they don’t fit in. Many gay people don’t like the whole idea of rainbow flags etc. The sad thing is that young people with same sex attraction are made to feel that they have to fit into this stereotypical gay lifestyle.
Society likes to think that all gay men look after themselves, have spotlessly clean homes and are promiscuous. Yes some do but many are celibate and some are in longterm committed relationships.
With regards to pride lots of gay people don’t go near these events because they feel they don’t fit in. Many gay people don’t like the whole idea of rainbow flags etc. The sad thing is that young people with same sex attraction are made to feel that they have to fit into this stereotypical gay lifestyle.
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simpleas
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What a lovely photo 
Yet I still didn’t hear those words. What I heard was compassion and understanding for those who want to hear it.
Yet I still didn’t hear those words. What I heard was compassion and understanding for those who want to hear it.
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DarkLight
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There’s always been problems with society.
The ancient Romans exposed unwanted children and thought extramarital sex was ok as long as it wasn’t with a “good” woman - men were free to have sex with slaves or prostitutes. The prostitute (if free) permanently lost legal rights but there were no consequences for the men; slaves could legally be raped.
Even for much of the medieval period, the rich and powerful had sex with whoever they wanted, whether they wanted men or women. It was a sin but no one would tell them no; nobles often flaunted their mistresses while regarding their lawful wife as merely there to have appropriate children. (These marriages were of course often chosen for political reasons.)
As far as increases in suicides and such - the lower stigma means that many more are being recognized. There’s some pretty strong evidence that for many years, there was a push to classify deaths as accidents. If someone died by suicide, the family would try to hush it up. People with major mental health disorders were often locked away at home if the family could afford to do so; those who couldn’t were left in asylums. Those with more minor disorders were expected to simply push through in silence; depression and anxiety were seen as moral failings. Greater awareness leads to greater visibility.
Alcoholism has always been an issue. Opium was a problem for many years. People have always found addictions. The prohibition in the u.s. was inspired by rampant issues with alcohol. My grandparents lived in an age where divorce was unthinkable; my grandfather drank and beat my grandmother and she couldn’t get help because it was a marital problem.
There’s never been a golden moral age, just different problems.
The ancient Romans exposed unwanted children and thought extramarital sex was ok as long as it wasn’t with a “good” woman - men were free to have sex with slaves or prostitutes. The prostitute (if free) permanently lost legal rights but there were no consequences for the men; slaves could legally be raped.
Even for much of the medieval period, the rich and powerful had sex with whoever they wanted, whether they wanted men or women. It was a sin but no one would tell them no; nobles often flaunted their mistresses while regarding their lawful wife as merely there to have appropriate children. (These marriages were of course often chosen for political reasons.)
As far as increases in suicides and such - the lower stigma means that many more are being recognized. There’s some pretty strong evidence that for many years, there was a push to classify deaths as accidents. If someone died by suicide, the family would try to hush it up. People with major mental health disorders were often locked away at home if the family could afford to do so; those who couldn’t were left in asylums. Those with more minor disorders were expected to simply push through in silence; depression and anxiety were seen as moral failings. Greater awareness leads to greater visibility.
Alcoholism has always been an issue. Opium was a problem for many years. People have always found addictions. The prohibition in the u.s. was inspired by rampant issues with alcohol. My grandparents lived in an age where divorce was unthinkable; my grandfather drank and beat my grandmother and she couldn’t get help because it was a marital problem.
There’s never been a golden moral age, just different problems.
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Gab123
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Yes, I agree. The Church has a treasure of resources, the Holy Scriptures properly interpreted, the writings of the saints and mystics, the added gift of private revelation such as the visions at Fatima, etc. etc.
One sobering reminder is that when one is entrusted with so much truth, much more is expected; as Christ said, to those to whom much was given, much much more will be required. Every Catholic is wealthy with the treasures of the Church, so Catholics have no excuse if we have it all and don’t use what we were given; Catholics who are too lazy to grow in their faith or know more about the world than about the faith are lukewarm indeed.
Thus the main beauty of the Catholic Church is that we have access to the fountains of sanctifying Grace in overflowing measures through the sacraments. So if we are the same person we were 6 months ago, it simplyl means that we’re not growing spiritually, and there’s nothing good about being a lukewarm mediocre Christian. In life we are either demonizing ourselves with the world, or sanctifying ourselves with God’s grace…
Yes. I agree. The problem is when one insist on embracing the terminology, definitions, language and reasonings promulgated by the LGBT movement and bring them inside the Church. The best thing to do is to be done with the LGBT influence on your mindset, and the best way to do this is to unmask the wickedness behind the LGBT movement; once you do that you will realize that the movement is about destroying God’s image in men and women. The LGBT movement defines human being in order to manipulate them. Here is a video that does a good job describing the direction of the movement you will probably live to see in your lifetime…
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Gab123
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Yes, but there has always been the truth.The problem today is that lies are dressed up as truth, and evil masquerades as good, and culture is noloerbuilt upon Judeo-Christian principles…
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Gab123
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Again, sin has always been around, the problem today is that evil is being advertised, promoted. encouraged and celebrated as good. Entire generations building lives on a lie…
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