What are your ideas for the LGBT person's vocation in the Church?

[DarkLight]

Not everything; just when the same tactics that the “Reformation Project” workbooks and seminars instruct on how to use methods to hoodwink the unsuspecting faithful in the pews to change views on Church teaching. And do realize that every heretic and every false teacher in the history of the Hurch has been from members inside the Church.

Except those tactics seem to be so broad that acknowledging that those with LGBT attractions in the church exist and may have struggles that need more answers than “pray more and read the bible” counts as a hoodwinking tactic.

I’ve seen this before in personal relationships. Those who are happy to discuss issues, only you just have to discuss them…differently. How they should be discussed is never brought up, only that however you actually are discussing them is bad and you shouldn’t be talking about them that way. It’s an easy way of looking like you care while avoiding having to ever have the conversation.

 

[Gab123]

Except those tactics seem to be so broad that acknowledging that those with LGBT attractions in the church exist and may have struggles that need more answers than “pray more and read the bible” counts as a hoodwinking tactic.

I think the problem is many people don’t want to hear the real solutions, with LGBT outreach programs that are nothing but tacitly affirming the LGBTTQQ agenda. What people need is a challenge; challenging people to fight and do battle as St. Paul would always exhort. Jesus always challenged people to do something, not just whine. the rainbow inclusiveness approach is a fake gospel built on sand. The gay experience is a sad experience, deeply wounded and confused. There has to be a truthful, c]kind but firm approach to the issue. Here’s are two videos that will help

 

[DarkLight]

I think the problem is many people don’t want to hear the real solutions, with LGBT outreach programs that are nothing but tacitly affirming the LGBTTQQ agenda. What people need is a challenge; challenging people to fight and do battle as St. Paul would always exhort

We’re back to the original issue here - all you’re saying is “we need to talk about keeping the commandments more.”

Also, dealing with resisting sexual temptation isn’t necessarily a major fight for everyone. It’s not like gay automatically means sex addict.

 

[Gab123]

We’re back to the original issue here - all you’re saying is “we need to talk about keeping the commandments more.”

Don’t be silly. You keep saying. Either you are not reading my posts or you are not very bright

 

[DarkLight]

Don’t be silly. You keep saying. Either you are not reading my posts or you are not very bright

So what are you saying? What is this fight or struggle you keep referencing? The only concrete fight that’s been mentioned is the one to stay chaste.

 

[Gab123]

Look; I’n]m NOT going to repost everything I have written or links and videos. Go back and take the time to Read, watch and listen to the links. Then come back and discuss.

 

[Thorolfr]

Here’s are two videos that will help

Joseph Sciambra makes it sound as if all gay men are sensitive and artistic and not sporty as children, were bullied, and had some sort of dysfunctional relationship with their disinterested fathers and went on to be gay adults who spend all their time looking at porn. I’m sure that there are gay men who fit that profile and maybe that fits Sciambra himself, but you can’t essentialize gay men that way since there are many gay men who are not like that at all. There are actually more and more athletes who are coming out as gay so obviously the “not sporty” part of his profile isn’t true. Sciambra talks about the “wound” that gay men suffer because of their disinterested fathers, but I’ve always had a great relationship with both of my parents and have probably been closer to my dad. I can’t imagine anyone having better parents than what I’ve had. If I’ve suffered any “wounds,” they’ve mostly been inflicted on me by my conservative Christian relatives for being gay.

Sciambra also says categorically that gay men became that way because of environmental influences (the dysfunctional relationship with their parents) and not ever because of something that happened in utero. But he doesn’t know that. It’s just an opinion which is not supported by anything. Sciambra is obviously struggling with his own issues, but they are not all issues that all other gay men have had.

 

[DarkLight]

Look; I’n]m NOT going to repost everything I have written or links and videos. Go back and take the time to Read, watch and listen to the links. Then come back and discuss.

I did. I’m seeing a lot of very vague words and a lot of conspiracy theory, and an assumption that the most flamboyant tv personalities are representative of everyone with LGBT attraction, but the only actual, concrete thing I’ve seen you say is that LGBT people need to focus on fighting their desires.

 

[QwertyGirl]

@Gab123, I have read each and every one of the posts in this thread. You seem to have a real fear of gay people, LGBTQ rights supporters, LBBTQ Catholics who are trying to live their lives according to the Catholic teachings, and quite frankly anyone who has any different ideas about human sexuality than the ones you hold. This must be really difficult for you. You don’t share much about your own life, or your own experiences so we don’t have a good understanding of the origin of your fear. I don’t know if you are gay, or if you maybe have family members who are gay. We don’t know if you had a bad experience with someone who was homosexual and this is the catalyst of your fear. I am willing to believe that your understanding of Church teaching may just be flawed. In any event, in all charity (as we like to say here), I would like to suggest that perhaps you might consider setting the human sexuality threads aside for now since they seem to cause you so much distress. Your posts convey a level of real trauma, on some level, and it is difficult to “watch” you suffer like that. I don’t think that it was God wants for you. We all pick and choose the threads we participate in.

 

[Gab123]

I don’t know if you are gay, or if you maybe have family members who are gay. We don’t know if you had a bad experience with someone who was homosexual and this is the catalyst of your fear.

If you actually read my posts you would have read that I have family that struggles with SSA, If you actually read my posts you would have read:

I personally know people who are in same sex marriages, and I have a sibling who struggles with SSA; I also happen to have lived in a major city in the heart of a gay neighborhood and seen the farse up front when by happenstance attended an “LGBT mass” jam packed with gay couples who went out of their way to show they were an item,

I have read each and every one of the posts in this thread.

I don’t mean to put you on the spot, but I’m afraid your statement makes you a liar; or maybe you’re just skimming through my posts? Let’s just assume you accidentally missed that one…;

am willing to believe that your understanding of Church teaching may just be flawed. In any event, in all charity (as we like to say here), I would like to suggest that perhaps you would like to set the human sexuality threads aside since they seem to cause you so much distress

I’m simply reiterating Church teaching; it sounds like you think Church teaching is flawed. Maybe you are skimming through Church teaching too? Maybe you want to change Church teaching?

I would suggest you take some time and go away in silence to reflect on what the early Church Fathers said about homosexuality: Click here to go study now

 

[catholic1seeks]

Yeah I find it odd finding one person and making him the representative of so many different people and experiences.

 

[QwertyGirl]

I don’t mean to put you on the spot, but I’m afraid your statement makes you a liar; or maybe you’re just skimming through my posts? Let’s just assume you accidentally missed that one…;

Please forgive my oversight on that comment. I have been reading the post over many many days and did forget that you had stated the issue in your family. However, my analysis still remains the same. Whether or not I believe Church teaching is flawed is not relevant. What is relevant is that you present yourself as somebody who is traumatized by the concept of other people having different ideas about human sexuality. While it is fine to disagree and to discuss differences your posts go beyond that. It is just my observation, others may have different thoughts. I am okay with that. Your understanding of church teaching may or may not be 100% accurate but your posts here are not what the Church condones. You come across as terrified over something which shouldn’t involve terror. Again I will say it, I don’t think God wants you to live terrorized over this issue.

 

[Gab123]

Please forgive my oversight on that comment.

I have a feeling you haven’t read most of my posts…

You come across as terrified over something which shouldn’t involve terror. Again I will say it, I don’t think God wants you to live terrorized over this issue.

Rationalizing sin and false teachings has always been denounced by the Church, As St Paul put it:

“I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.”

Bishop Sheen has an answer for you in this 2 minute video:

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