What are your ideas for the LGBT person's vocation in the Church?

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God plans that we all should be in friendship with Him. That we strive for heaven and that we shine with so much love that people see our good works and they also come to him.

It seems we modern folks have many things that muddy the waters when it comes to discerning the married/religious vocations. That does not mean they do not exist, but, often they are completely drowned out by life, by illness, by happenstance. I know people who have the vocation to marriage but they have never been able to select a spouse. I know people who have a religious vocation but that was squashed by family duty or pressure or simple lack of encouragement.

Heck, I believe there are so many failed marriages because many folks were simply not called to marriage but they followed heart or societal or family pressure. I am CERTAIN if I’d have grown up as a Catholic, I would be religious. My husband is certain of the same thing.

We were not born as Catholics, knew nothing of discerning vocations, got married and have had a long marriage. We got through hard times and separations because we are good companions.
Just because we are in a less than perfect vocation does not mean we are somehow failures or God does not bless us. Permissive will and all that.

So, our LGBTQ family and friends, we need to stand up against unjust discrimination, we need to love people where they are for who they are, say we are sorry for failures, listen, love, act like Jesus and stop screeching about cakes.
 
Wait, I don’t know if I’m understanding. Was he in one of the buildings before or after the planes crash?
 
Yes, he was gay. He was a martyr in the same way a chaplain who died in battle would be a martyr - he died serving as a priest during an attack on the United States.
 
It likely was the result of the building collapsing. I don’t know that it really matters. If his death was a direct result of the terror attack he would be a martyr if so declared.
 
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He is a priest, doing what a priest does. He is a hero and a good priest.

AFIK there is no cause for beatification.
 
Could you point me to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints documents that state this?

When someone dies in a criminal or terror attack, it is sad. It does not make them a martyr in the Church’s definition.

Had those terrorists targeted St Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC or the Vatican, different story. They targeted places of commerce and government.
 
Well, sure. Everyone there died because the building collapsed. The difference is that Father Judge, along with the firefighters and cops, was running into the buildings while everyone else was running out.
 
His death was a direct result of the terror attack.

As far as I’m concerned, he was a martyr.
 
If those cops, firemen, and the good Father were standing here they would tell you that they were just doing their jobs, they would not want to be called martyrs… they would even shy from the word “hero”.
 
I just looked him up. Nothing about official martyrdom. Plenty of other honors, and an attempt to start the canonization process.
 
Because I was curious and had a few minutes, I looked up a few things and I came across this interesting article. It’s not about martyrdom, but about a situation that is analogous to martyrdom.
On Tuesday Pope Francis declared a new category of Christian life suitable for consideration of beatification called “offering of life” – in which a person has died prematurely through an offering of their life for love of God and neighbor.

Though similar to martyrdom, this definition fits those Servants of God who have in some way given up their life prematurely for charity, though the circumstances may fall outside the strict definition of martyrdom, which requires the presence of a persecutor.
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https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...to-beatification-under-offering-of-life-80735
 
Wasn’t that the assumption before evidence pointed out the contrary.?
 
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What evidence? Contrary to what? I’m not following you.
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The who concerning the abusers and the victim’s. The victim’s were young males. This wasn’t a problem with heterosexual Priests. Although the psychological and spiritual environment that clergy have to live in is stifling to a natural sexual expression and I’ve read contributed to the problem. That doesn’t mean sex it means being the average male. A guy thing they are deprived of.
 
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The victim’s were young males. This wasn’t a problem with heterosexual Priests.
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As I understand the psychology, This is a prevalent assumption that has no firm scientific basis.

Do you have some peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support your claim?
 
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That mostly young males were the victims of abuse? Isn’t it evident that if that is the pool of victim’s that homosexual Priests were the abuser’s. Of course I’ve read peer reviewed studies. This is a decades old problem. I have to find them and post them for you to believe that heterosexual Priests aren’t the majority of abusers? Seminarians who didn’t support the gay lifestyle had to pretend they did to get ordained. I guess you don’t remember that stuff. That’s why they’ve changed the rules .
 
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The who concerning the abusers and the victim’s. The victim’s were young males. This wasn’t a problem with heterosexual Priests. Although the psychological and spiritual environment that clergy have to live in is stifling to a natural sexual expression and I’ve read contributed to the problem. That doesn’t mean sex it means being the average male. A guy thing they are deprived of.
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I don’t think this is the whole explanation, but it is absolutely certain that gay men were specifically recruited for the priesthood because they were gay, in the 60s through the 80s. That is scandalous, and it is a major reason for the abuse crisis in the Church. No one is claiming that gay men should specifically be directed to the priesthood, now, happily. But that doesn’t mean gay priests would be lacking in self-control.

What we do know: priests who are taught in seminaries rife with sodomy are liable to be lacking in self-control! 😦
 
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