What are your ideas for the LGBT person's vocation in the Church?

[Thorolfr]

“But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.”

You undermine yourself by making comparisons that most people find not to be true. Millions of people now know that they have nephews and nieces and uncles and aunts and friends and co-workers who are gay or lesbian or bisexual. They recognize that these LGB people in their lives are not in the same category as drunkards, swindlers, thieves, adulterers, extortioners, or the other kinds of comparisons made by Paul. I’m sure that most of my relatives and none of my friends, even the religious ones, consider me to be anything like what Paul describes.

 

[Thorolfr]

Bruised_Reed:

And that’s what you’ve made this thread about but it’s not what the OP asked or has discussed.

As any thread, there are offshoots and directions they take. What the OP is calling for is a normalization of the gay identity inside the Church; exact same tactic used in the Anglicanchurch. But his original question was addressed and answered multiple times.

I can’t imagine what happened in the Anglican church or the other mainline Protestant churches also happening in the Catholic Church. None of these other denominations have a doctrine of infallibility which allows them to implement gradual changes. But if the Catholic Church changed its teachings on major doctrines, it would be seen as not having been infallible all along. The whole edifice of the Catholic Church would come tumbling down.

 

[Sarcelle]

The OP asked for moral and spiritual support in the struggle against sin, something we all could use.

This is not the same as asking to rationalize sin.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

thus a process of becoming simple and little; not rationalizing sin, affirming someone’s vices and celebrating perversions…

You’re not achieving being “simple and little” when you’re accusing other people of affirming vices and celebrating perversions. The thread had nothing to do with that.
You are full of pride and all this stuff is coming from your own head.
I’ll pray for you.

 

[Sarcelle]

Yes.

In my moment of weakness, I sometimes feel bitter about the things I cannot have as a single person, but I think of myself as a soldier who has the duty to accept orders, i.e., God’s will.

A lot of easier said than done, I know.

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

Maybe they can be songwriters? As long as it is in Latin and not so guitary.

 

[Gab123]

And as far as I know, catholic1seeks has never indicated that he’s transsexual, so I don’t know where that came from. But Gab’s doing his best to drive gay people from the Catholic Church.

He’s speaking about vocations for people who self-identify as LGBT. The good news of the gospel is that Jesus suffered and died for us so that we can live and be saved; not to make a mockery of His suffering by rationalizing sin through false compssion… Telll me, what special vocation are homosexuals and transexuals called to for them to flourish and feel comfortable in the Church?

Realize that there is a False idea of Christ that has infected many members of the Church, forgetting that the good and gentle Jesus also whipped and kicked out those who made a mockery of God’s temple by making it a den of thieves. Where was Christ;s compassion there? You see, you have slowly swallowed the lie. The problem is that the world has the spirit of anti-Christ. And you are pushing that spirit on those who are simply defending thee truth…

 

[Gab123]

You undermine yourself by making comparisons that most people find not to be true. Millions of people now know that they have nephews and nieces and uncles and aunts and friends and co-workers who are gay or lesbian or bisexual. They recognize that these LGB people in their lives are not in the same category as drunkards, swindlers, thieves, adulterers, extortioners, or the other kinds of comparisons made by Paul. I’m sure that most of my relatives and none of my friends, even the religious ones, consider me to be anything like what Paul describes.

Again, all those drunkards, thieves, adulterers, extorsioners and swindlers are somebody’s uncles, aunts, nieces, nephews and co-workers. Again, love the sinner, hate and denounce the sin, especially when they try to rationalize the sin. Again, be not deceived; the devil is a tricky being, uses the intellect to rationalize and deceive…

 

[Gab123]

You sound exactly like the Pharisees to me. Again, I’ll pray for you. You obviously don’t see your own failings in your rush to point out everybody else’s, and that’s the major problem with discussing LGBT or just about any other Amoris Laetitia issue.

Thanks for the prayers, but again, do not be deceived. The issue is not pointing out everyone’s sin, but rather, pointing out the cunning tacticts being used to rationalize sin one step at a time; in other words, your mind is being invaded by demonic lies; Again, love love love the sinner, but hate hate hate, despise, denounce have zero tolerance for sin, and unmask those who would rationalize sin… Archbishop Sheen unmasks the lie in less than 2 minutes. Watch:

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Please do not use wonderful Archbishop Sheen to foster your agenda, which is completely out of place on what was intended to be a positive thread.

Venerable Fulton Sheen, please pray for us all to be kind.

To the OP: I’m sorry that this thread seems to have gone south like everything on this topic does.

I will now be muting.

 

[Gab123]

when you’re accusing other people of affirming vices and celebrating perversions. The thread had nothing to do with that.

The OP praised the book by Fr. James Martin who affirms Catholics in gay marriages and is working hard to rationalize sin. Just look at the stah]gets and milestones in the Anglican Church which culminated in actively homosexual bishops, gay marriage and all the rot being welcomed and celebrated. It’s the same language, the same tactics. What’s more the “New Reformation” movement aims at infesting churches blogs, forums with their agenda masked behind “tolerance” “compassion” “Justice’, “Mercy”. Etc. I’m just telling you the truth… Satan is wickedly deceptive, and he’s after your mind…

Yes, search for the lost sheep, reach out to those lost in sin; but don’t let the rationalization of false compassion infest the the Church. Understand the difference between sharing the gospel, and being a useful idiot.

 

[Gab123]

Please do not use wonderful Archbishop Sheen to foster your agenda, which is completely out of place on what was intended to be a positive thread.

If you think he’s so wonderful, I’m curious what you would say about how he spoke about homosexuals and prostitutes. The point is that God has compassion and mercy for repentant sinners, not those who rationalize sin, and especially those who would scandalize and pervert the youth. Look how Jesus spoke about the millstone tied around the neck and thrown into the depth of the sea. What we have today is a systematic, organized, targeted attempt to steal your children and immerse them into a world of rationalized sin. Remember, we live in an age that urges you to have “compassion” for men who dress up as women and demand to use the women’s bathroom—and people are shamed and called bigots and haters for being against it… again… be not deceived…

 

[Thorolfr]

Thorolfr:

You undermine yourself by making comparisons that most people find not to be true. Millions of people now know that they have nephews and nieces and uncles and aunts and friends and co-workers who are gay or lesbian or bisexual. They recognize that these LGB people in their lives are not in the same category as drunkards, swindlers, thieves, adulterers, extortioners, or the other kinds of comparisons made by Paul. I’m sure that most of my relatives and none of my friends, even the religious ones, consider me to be anything like what Paul describes.

Again, all those drunkards, thieves, adulterers, extorsioners and swindlers are somebody’s uncles, aunts, nieces, nephews and co-workers. Again, love the sinner, hate and denounce the sin, especially when they try to rationalize the sin. Again, be not deceived; the devil is a tricky being, uses the intellect to rationalize and deceive…

Every human being is related to someone. But someone who is a thief, a swindler, an extortioner, or drives while drunk is likely to get locked up if this becomes widely known. Fortunately, society doesn’t consider LGBT people to fall into the same category anymore, so I don’t have to worry about getting arrested now because I’m gay. And many families don’t shun their gay members anymore, either, so I can go home for Thanksgiving and even bring my partner with me.

 

[Gab123]

Every human being is related to someone. But someone who is a thief, a swindler, an extortioner, or drives while drunk is likely to get locked up if this becomes widely known. Fortunately, society doesn’t consider LGBT people to fall into the same category anymore, so I don’t have to worry about getting arrested now because I’m gay. And many families don’t shun their gay members anymore, either, so I can go home for Thanksgiving and even bring my partner with me.

Yes. We don’t live in a Catholic world; and it’s not about throwing homosexuals or transexuals in jail, it’s about defending and protecting the truth. The state of the situation is that the enemy has breached the walls and is in the citadel killing the men, women and children inside. The enemy is not the homosexual or the thief or the drunk; the enemy is Satan, and the weapons are lies; slaughtering the conscience of men, women and children into rationalizing sin and marching against the Church…

I don’t think the OP of this thread is being completely truthful as to his intentions; many of his statements,and promoting books that have an aim to change Church teaching, demanding that the Church welcome gay couples, and using key LGBT buzz words such as “affirming”, kind of set off red flags. Again, there is a spiritual war going on, and there is an organized movement of people whose aim is to infiltrate organizations, churches, forums, blogs, and all levels of church hierarchy with an attempt to “evangelize” Christians into rationalizing sin. They have courses, workbooks, seminars etc. on how to approach the members of the church in order to “convert” Christians into affirming Gay sex, affirming gay marriage and affirming the LGBT agenda for future generations of children. Here is one of their promotional videos about their active work. Be not deceived…

 

[Gab123]

The OP asked for moral and spiritual support in the struggle against sin, something we all could use.

This is not the same as asking to rationalize sin

Yes; and many have given plenty of good advice; it’s his responses and statements that has driven me to point out the tactics being used to slowly get inside the minds of the faithful. Wether the OPs intentions are genuine or not, I’m pointing out the tactics, the approach and the language that worked in the Anglican Church. Thus all should realize that Satan never shows up dressed as Satan explaining how he plans on deceiving people. it is always masked as good and reasonable…

 

[Thorolfr]

I don’t think the OP of this thread is being completely truthful as to his intentions; many of his statements,and promoting books that have an aim to change Church teaching, demanding that the Church welcome gay couples, and using key LGBT buzz words such as “affirming”, kind of set off red flags. Again, there is a spiritual war going on, and there is an organized movement of people whose aim is to infiltrate organizations, churches, forums, blogs, and all levels of church hierarchy with an attempt to “evangelize” Christians into rationalizing sin. They have courses, workbooks, seminars etc. on how to approach the members of the church in order to “convert” Christians into affirming Gay sex, affirming gay marriage and affirming the LGBT agenda for future generations of children. Here is one of their promotional videos about their active work. Be not deceived…

You make all of this sound like some sort of horrible plot. But it’s pretty important to be organized if people want to get something done. If Catholics who are against abortion want to do something to change people’s minds about this issue, they need to be organized, to have workbooks, and blogs and train their members in how to make a convincing argument so that they can “convert” people to their camp. All movement nowadays work this way, and the ones that aren’t organized aren’t going to get anywhere.

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

I thought we weren’t supposed to talk about other posters.

 

[Gab123]

You make all of this sound like some sort of horrible plot. But it’s pretty important to be organized if people want to get something done.

Yes, this is true. The issue is the sin that people are trying to normalize and justify.

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

I don’t even want to bother coming up with anymore ideas. At least it is a nice arguing thread.

 

[Gab123]

train their members in how to make a convincing argument so that they can “convert” people to their camp. All movement nowadays work this way, and the ones that aren’t organized aren’t going to get anywhere.

The problem is when one is trying to argue sin. that’s why Jesus went out of His way to describe how the devil works. The devil is the farther of lies, so the first thing the devil tries to do is to first distance somebody from the truth through lies hidden inside half-truths. The devil never appears dressed or sounding like the devil; he seduces people out of the truth. It’s a very cunning method of tricking the intellect.

Thus Satan will always come blending truth with lies. In this case, the lie hidden behind an argument for mercy, compassion, Justice; thus many do not realize they have been seduced, deceived and misled down a path that ultimately marches against the truth…