What are your thoughts about protestants claiming that Catholicism forged history?

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Benny12 said:
These are verses about Jesus. Evidence that He is sinless. Give me one that says the same about Mary.
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When the Angel Gabriel comes to Mary and says “Hail, full of grace. The LORD is with you.” (Luke 1), we should meditate upon those words.

The treasures of Scripture and not lying on the surface, we need to dig them out (Proverbs 1-2).
Blessed is the man who meditates on God’s Word day and night (Psalm 1; Psalm 19: Psalm 119; Joshua 1:8).

Given that Mary was “full of grace”, there was no room for sin. Mary was already full with something else i.e. grace. If Mary were sinful, then sin would separate her from God. Instead, “the Lord was with Mary”.
 
“Full” means exactly that: there is nothing in Mary which is not grace. There is thus no room for original sin.
 
Benny12 said:
Luke 2:24 and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”

If she is sinless, why would she be unclean and also need a sacrifice?

It’s interesting, I can use scripture to argue Mary was NOT sinless but you can’t give one that she was sinless.
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Benny12 said:
but you can’t give one that she was sinless.
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FULL OF GRACE.
 
That’s not an argument. Jesus was baptised not because he needed saving from original sin but as he said “ Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.”

In the case of the sacrifice of two turtle doves it says much the same.
 
Now you are deriving false arguments based on the coincidental choice of words used in English translations.

If you don’t know your stuff, please leave the battle to those who do.
 
Benny12 said:
Not at all.

Does the Word say Stephen was full of grace?

Of course CC expalins it. Their doctrine is Mary was sinless
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Read the article. It shows you are wrong. If you don’t read it which is the answer I provided to your question it just shows you have no genuine intentions in this thread.
 
Benny12 said:
are all born again christians full of grace?
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There is no such thing as a born again Christian. A baptised Christian is already born again in Christ.

Please read the answer I gave you. Pretty rude of you to ignore it. It explains the different types of full of grace but of course you would not want to hear that because because it would destroy your arguments.
 
Benny12 said:
The article explains why it’s Mary. It does NOT address what I’m asking.

So why is Mary crying out in pain if she was sinless?
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As you obviously did not read down to the end I will quote the last paragraph:

"Conversely, portions of the narrative do not apply to each referent. Mary did not experience literal pain when bringing forth the Messiah, but she suffered figuratively (the prophecy that a sword would pierce her heart at the Crucifixion). Eve did not ascend to heaven. And the Church did not bring forth the Messiah (rather, the Messiah brought forth his Church).
 
Benny12 said:
The article explains why it’s Mary. It does NOT address what I’m asking.

So why is Mary crying out in pain if she was sinless?
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“The Woman in Revelation 12 is part of the fusion imagery/polyvalent symbolism that is found in the book. She has four referents: Israel, the Church, Eve, and Mary.”
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No, it’s explaining how the woman in Revelations 12 is more than just one person.
 
Benny12 said:
No I did read that, I laughed

Figuratively?
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I have been through your posts in this thread and others. You do not accept anything that a Catholic member has said or shown you.
I think you are not here to genuinely debate but are simply here to bait us. You have made so many scornful comments about the Catholic faith.
We have had good discussions with people of other faiths and even atheists and none have been like you.
 
Benny12 said:
Why do you folks pick what is figuratively and what is not.

The argument Jesus said “this is my body and blood” . This is not figuratively He really means His body and blood.

Rev 12 says birth pains. But not real birth pains, figuratively

You guys are funny
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Let’s go back.

The Catholic Church is the only Church established by Christ and he entrusted it with the Deposit of Faith. He gave the Church the authority to teach in matters of faith and morals. That means what the Church teaches has the authority of God behind them and therefore cannot be in error in such matters.
If, for example, the Church teaches something is literal or figurative we know it is true because the authority of God underpins it.
 
Sounds like you look to Scripture for authority, but you’re finding out that there can be more than one interpretation for certain verses.

In that case, by what authority do you know yours is the right interpretation? Everyone can claim logic and reason are on their side and the Holy Spirit inspired them but still come to different conclusions. That is why there are so many denominations of Christianity today because each thinks they have the right answer.

A Catholic once told me, “Everyone has a pope as their final authority on biblical interpretation and religious truth. For some, it is the Pope in Rome. For others, it may be their local pastor or a TV preacher. For many others, it is themselves”.

Which is it for you?

I think you’re finding out that Catholics on this site aren’t pushovers who you can just run roughshod over with your selective scripture references and interpretations, although I think it helps you and Catholics to have the discussion to help clarify things, provided you are really interested in that.

Note: I’ve learned that respect goes a long way on CAF. I hope you’ll learn that, too.
 
Benny12

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I’ll assume that you know that Rev 12 is talking about during the tribulation here on earth.

Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

John clearly said this is a sign so wel should see Mary literally back on earth during the tribulation period?

Ahh, the tribulation delusion, no doubt along with rapture delusion, here dear readers is a Protestant refutation which other delusional Protestants subscribe to, most Protestants don’t believe it neither.

7 Years of Tribulation? Part 2 - White Horse Media

A look at what the Bible says about the Great Tribulation also known as the "the time of Jacob's trouble."
www.whitehorsemedia.com www.whitehorsemedia.com
 
It’s a good quote!!

I also feel as though all Christians and all human beings actually, go to confession as the soul yearns for it. “Altar calls” in evangelical churches are just another form of confession.

And for the non Christians…they go to bars and unload on bar patrons all the stuff they have dealt with or done for the week.

So we all do it, yet so many anti-Catholics find confessing to another man as so objectionable. 😅
 
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