What are your thoughts on the pope's call for Christian unity (video link)

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Isaiah45_9 said:
I accept the Church. Some of the developments not so much.

But you are wrong when you say that those words are dead. That is not accurate.

Unless those words have been overriden, they are still in effect and in fact alive. Do you deny this?
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Did I say the words were dead per se?
No.

Separated from the living Magisterium and the living Tradition, the words are dead.
Please re-read the post.
 
clem456 said:
Did I say the words were dead per se?
No.

Separated from the living Magisterium and the living Tradition, the words are dead.
Please re-read the post.
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Are those words still with the living Magisterium and the living Tradition?
 
Naiveessence said:
Here the Pope out, and let me know your thoughts on this topic.
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The Church could use its energies much more productively than continuing the fruitless pursuit of so-called “Christian unity” with communities whose very reason for existence is disagreement with the Catholic Faith.

Cooperation with others, Christian or not, in matters where we have agreement seems a more profitable endeavor than the paltry results of a half century of “ecumenism”.
 
theoda said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but is this video about how Protestants and Catholics should get united?

We shouldn’t get united. The Protestants need to unite with the Catholic Church. The only way of unity is if they accept their errors and accept the Catholic Church’s teachings. The harsh reality is that Protestants are going to hell, unless they repent, and if we try to unite with them it’s just going to make things worse and make them and other Catholics think Protestantism is ok.

The Bible said there is one true church, not multiple.
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It is important to understand that this type of attitude is not Catholic teaching. Since the Second Vatican Council we have been instructed as Catholics to find common ground with not only other Christina assemblies, but also non-Christian. We understand that all faiths have a Measure of the Holy Spirit working within them, but the the the Catholic Church has the fullness, and completeness of the Spirit and God’s salvation for us.
We as Catholics must first find that common ground with all assemblies for the betterment of all man kind, this is our pope’s call the Catholics.
This cannot be done if the first words or thoughts from the Catholic is that “you are going to hell” This is not the work of the Church or teaching and with such a mind set we cannot do our savior’s work.

Deacon Frank, Roman Catholic Permanent Deacon
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
Then there is no point of bringing up whether or not the are dead.
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Maybe you weren’t following the prior discussion.
clem456 said
The Magisterium of the Catholic Church is a living office, not dead words on a page from centuries ago. The Tradition of the Catholic Church is living. It takes all that came before and expresses it in it’s fullest form, in the here and now.
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This quote is response to theoda’s usage of Church documents of the past which were taken out of context of the living Magisterium and living Tradition and used to support an unsupported conclusion about protestants and eternal judgment.

In any event, I am not doing this with you:
 
clem456 said:
Maybe you weren’t following the prior discussion.

This quote is response to theoda’s usage of Church documents of the past which were taken out of context of the living Magisterium and living Tradition and used to support an unsupported conclusion about protestants and eternal judgment.
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I know that it doesn’t support what theoda’s saying. Moreso considering Dominus Iesus as well.

But those words still stand.
clem456 said:
In any event, I am not doing this with you:
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:rotfl: Good one.
 
theoda said:
All this is saying is that Protestants don’t sin if they are brought up in a Protestant church. However, if they are fully exposed to Catholicsm, and reject it, they commit the sin against the Holy Spirit, and go to hell unless they change their minds.

They could be saved by invincible ignorance, but that is very rare and most likely not the case for most Protestants
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Why would a committed Protestant make the attempt to fully expose themselves to the Catholic Church. Although my in-laws are quite accepting, they don’t do much to learn a great deal about the Catholic faith, anymore then I spend a great deal of time learning about the Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran faith.

We all worship the same God, we are not to worship the Church, which BTW has had its share of corruption, God has not.
 
shelby_sun said:
Why would a committed Protestant make the attempt to fully expose themselves to the Catholic Church. Although my in-laws are quite accepting, they don’t do much to learn a great deal about the Catholic faith, anymore then I spend a great deal of time learning about the Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran faith.

We all worship the same God, we are not to worship the Church, which BTW has had its share of corruption, God has not.
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They worship the same God incorrectly. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Church teaches there is no Real Presence in the Protestant churches.
 
theoda said:
They worship the same God incorrectly. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Church teaches there is no Real Presence in the Protestant churches.
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But I believe the way forward is not to condemn our Christian brothers and sisters who are following the truth as best they know how, but rather, with brotherly love, to teach them the faith as we know it whenever applicable. Because if a protestant were to really study John 6 and hold the Catholic understanding against the protestant one, they would see that the ‘real presence’ fits far better with the evidence in scripture, tradition and history and I believe we can also look to Eucharistic Miracles such as Lanciano etc, the protestant simply doesn’t know these things or doesn’t want to because of fear, in which we should show them that there is nothing to fear, as going from protestant to Catholic is not to deny the truths they have found as a protestant, but rather, to embrace more.
The Gospel of John:
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
theoda said:
They worship the same God incorrectly. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Church teaches there is no Real Presence in the Protestant churches.
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I know many protestants who don’t believe in the Real Presence who will probably enter the kingdom of heaven before me. They have lived Mt 25 31-46 their whole lives. Do I know Catholic doctrine? Sure, to the best of my ability. So?

Being correct doesn’t give us unity with God and it doesn’t give us the right to proclaim anyone is going to hell.

The Gospel we proclaim
“rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”
 
shelby_sun said:
Listening to you speak I can see why Protestant would want nothing to do with you and your faith if you are going around telling them the only way to be saved is through the Catholic church. You make it sound like a cult. Funny thing is, not long ago someone told me Catholic do not believe that and where am I reading those comments…yet here you are.
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I don’t think it’s necessary for you to get personal on this matter. As the mods sometimes remind us: discuss the topic, not each other.
 
shelby_sun said:
Do you really think Christ died on the cross for the very small minority of Catholic who believe that only through the Catholic church one can be saved. He is going to let all the Protestants who praised and worshipped Him and served Him all their lives go to Hell. Really? Of course the Church once had to teach that in order to try to stop people from leaving Church, something that has now hurt the Church.
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I don’t have a doctrine of my own, or an opinion of my own regarding Protestants and where they will go when they leave this earthly life. Instead, I go with what the Church has always taught. There’s an emphasis today on mercy rather than God’s justice, and that’s just how it is. But it’s okay to cite what the Church, including Doctors, saints, and Popes have historically taught, since our beloved Church is nearly 2000 years old. It isn’t uncatholic to look to the history of the Church.

I don’t think it’s true that the Church taught that there is no salvation outside of the Church because they wanted to stop people from leaving the Church. Rather, the Church has a duty to tell the Truth, even if it’s uncomfortable. Jesus didn’t suffer and die on the Cross so that we can be comfortable.

Maybe we can get back to discussing the topic of the video link.
 
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