What are your views on feminism?

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I do not consider myself a feminist. I believe in equality. But I don’t believe in abortion.

When I was in college we had a debate in class over social issues. My feminist professor called me “part of the problem,” because I am a straight white man who is against abortion. A girl in my class also told me to shut up, because she thought that men should have no say on the topic of abortion.

I believe that people should get paid for the work they do. If a woman has the same job as me, but never gets anything done and slacks off, she should not get the same pay or more $$$ than me because of her gender. The same goes for a male who doesn’t do any work. He shouldn’t be paid the same or more than a female who gets stuff done at work.
 
One thing I think doesn’t always get enough attention is the “pink-collar” job issues. Most talk about pay gaps tend to focus on what we’d consider professional jobs. But it’s worth considering that most of the better earning among non-college jobs tend to be primarily men’s jobs. There’s definitely been some serious accusations leveled at feminism that it focuses too much on upper and middle class women and doesn’t think as much as it should about other social groups.
 
Perhaps I should have clarified with some background information.
In Australia most basic food is exempt from GST.The same goes for a lot of medicines,healthcare services,cars for people with a disability to use etc…

In today’s society,most clothing purchases are due to want not need.
We need enough basic clothing to have for a week,but anything beyond that is simply because we like that clothing and most people (in developed countries) would admit they have more then just clothing for survival.
 
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Yes,it seems that a lot of “traditionally feminine” jobs seem to be paid less such as Teachers,Aged care workers,Disability Carers and Assistants,Hairdressers,Childcare work or Nanny/Au Pair,Nurse,Receptionist,Retail worker etc…
 
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Do you mean First Wave Feminism? Second Wave? Third Wave? Neo? Eco? Liberal? French? Post-structural? Postcolonial? Radical? Separatist? This list goes on and on.

My point being this: Feminism isn’t a monolith. Discussing it in broad strokes guarantees you’ll be talking past one another.
 
I have to say I’m unsure if I would call myself a feminist. I’m annoyed by the privileged self centered crowd of “modern” feminists who speak for abortion and promote a system where gender or sex is of no meaning, and I don’t want to be seen as such an activist. I also don’t think the “feminism umbrella” was that much more reasonable in the past, the tendency to go a way over the top with the agenda is sadly old, as we can read in the works of Simone de Beauvoir, for example. On the other hand, I see the growing “manosphere” with much concern. I see how it attracts women who are tired of “modern feminism” and how they end up in abuse scenarios in this scene (me included years ago). I also see how differently feminism is defined in the middle East, Africa and south east Asia (being mixed ethnic myself I can say middle Eastern feminism is a whole different boat). I feel unconformable to abandon the term feminism because it means such brave women who fight against abuse there have lesser role models (and only the wrong will stay).
So, l am unsure. Personally, I like to have role models from church history that are rather “feminist” without having necessarily the actual stamp on this term. I love my baptism saint st. Olga of kiev for this reason, as other women in history.
 
You need to move to Delaware where there’s no sales tax
 
LOL you’re very lucky you don’t know about it.

The manosphere is a part of the internet that blames women for all of men’s troubles and wants to put us back in our place.

It’s kind of like radical feminism, only in reverse.

To be fair, there is a lot of hostility between the sexes ATM, for reasons that are too complicated to get into here. Chalk it up to our fallen natures, if you like. But radical feminism and the manosphere are the toxic extremes of this hostility.
 
I’m a lady. And the wage gap is one of the feminists myths. It’s more of an earnings gap because women on average make different career decisions and work less hours.
 
MagdalenaRita said:
I am not a feminist. I believe in equal dignity of men and women and both men and women should be treated equally with respect and fairness but I think the feminist movement has gone way beyond those issues into ideas that have hurt families and are very sinful.
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I agree. I was born in the 1950’s. I believe women should receive the same pay as a man for the same job. I believe women have the right to feel safe and not sexually harrassed on the job or anywhere.
I don’t agree with the feminists who took part in the women’s march in Washington
D.C. after Trump’s election or inauguration.
I forgot exactly when it was but they wore those stupid pink hats.
The feminist movement did a lot of damage to women in the 1960’s and 1970’s with this idea of sexual liberation and I think it ended up with women devaluing themselves and has not been good for marriages. I am prolife and wish we did not have abortion in our culture.
 
Personally I believe that woman and men should be paid the same. That the best person regardless of gender should get the job. That both men and woman should be able to cook, clean, bring up children etc. I also kind of think that if a woman wants to work full time and her husband wants to stay home and raise the children then that should be as fine as the other way round. (but at least were I live to pay a mortgage both need to work)

However I have female family members who believe that woman should be able to take off as much time as they want after child birth on full pay. That there should be positive discrimination in favour of woman. That woman should be able to work less hours than men with no difference in salary. That woman should be able to take all the school holidays as leave on full pay.

Personally I am not sure that this is right.
 
Very much a feminist. I see all moral humans as natural feminists- it’s about personally promoting a culture that respects the innate dignity of women, whether that includes:
  • Equal pay for equal work and qualifications
  • Equal access to education
  • Equal treatment in terms of property ownership
  • Equal access to social, legal, and political institutions
  • Access to a childhood and education free from artificial gender stereotypes
  • Equal personal safety at home and in public
  • Equal respect for the choices of the woman, when freely made, whether that pertains to career, personal relationships, property ownership, health, religious views, political power, etc.
This does NOT include abortion!

In a nutshell, treating women with the full dignity and respect to which they are naturally entitled as God-made beings, and cultivating institutions which allow girls and women to achieve their full potential.
 
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I don’t think it’s entirely a myth.

The wage gap doesn’t disappear, statistically, when you control for position and experience. Although to me personally, I think the pink-collar vs blue-collar thing is more important; the options for women who don’t have a lot of experience or education are often much worse than those for men. I think there’s also a tendency to see jobs traditionally done by women as soft jobs

As I side note, I think men should be encouraged to take a lot more workplace time to be with their families. I think there’s often a lot of pressure on men to not take time off even when they don’t need the money and their family needs them, because it might be bad for their job.
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The feminist movement did a lot of damage to women in the 1960’s and 1970’s with this idea of sexual liberation and I think it ended up with women devaluing themselves and has not been good for marriages.
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Yeah, I think what happened is that feminism correctly spotted that in many cases “playing the field” was ok for men but not for women, and then went entirely the wrong way to fix it.
 
I’m all for the principles behind it, but I draw the line at being shouted at for holding a door open.

I also believe the elderly and disabled deserve a seat over a pregnant woman and that a wheelchair takes priority over a pram.
 
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TheLittleLady:
??? Are you also against tax on food? Clothing? Those are needs, not wants. What about a tax on medication?
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That’s actually how it works in a lot of places. Food in the grocery store isn’t taxed, only pre-made food, and there are tax-free weekends where you can buy clothing without paying tax. Prescription medication is very rarely taxed as well. The logic being that people should be able to get the necessities without paying tax.
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Yeah, where I live there is no tax on food bought in a grocery store (there IS a tax on restaurant food) and no tax on prescription meds (otc is taxed though).
 
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