What Bad Experiences you have had with Wicca?

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I’m not trying to be argumentative, but having lived as a Catholic for 20 years, and having been part of the pagan community for 15, I still find a hard time seeing the differences between many of the practices.
As do many
I admit that many of the Catholics around me were of the superstitious type and used scapulars, miraculous medals, and novenas in rather simplistic “good luck charm” sorts of ways.
And many still do. I have had to explain to my SoBap hubby many times, they are good luck charms, but reminders. shakes head
But even so, having been schooled in proper Catholic understanding, and having come to understand how several pagan faiths understand spells, charged objects, consecrated objects and energy work…they really are the same.
I can see your point, and I respectfully disagree. There may be strong similarities, in some place, but that is all- similarities.
I know there are people out there that practice all manner of nonsense and mischief, I don’t argue that. And that there is danger…no arguement here. I found such in the Catholic and Protestant Christian communities as well. Sometimes people use spirituality in the very worst of ways.
So true. Unfortunately, people often come to various religions disenfranchised by something in someway. Often times, they find healing and power in these religions, and exercise what they have found in the wrong way.
 
By “church”, I assume you mean the Christian church. Interesting, then, that prohibitions against magic were to be found in Jewish writings. If Christians prohibit magic, then they’re not alone. Judiasm and Islam do the same.
Of course, it depends upon what you mean by “magic”.

In any event, prohibiting magic, or certain types of magic, is a cross-cultural phenomenon, as described in this post:
The Romans were adamently opposed to necromacy or anything that disturbed graves and the Manes. They proscribed the mathematici, astrologers, and foreign soothesayers of all types on different occasions. Under the Julio-Claudio emperors there was a propaganda campaign against certain witches. Wisewomen who were healers were found throughout Rome and her provinces. There was no problem with them healing or casting love spells, or casting protective spells. There were laws against fascinations to do harm, as in the XII Tablets against cursing someone’s crops, and against necromacy and poisonous philtres. When it came to witchcraft the Romans banned specific practices rather than ban witchcraft itself. Just about every Roman did practice a form of witchcraft, not that they would have thought of it that way, but we might today.
 
YUCK! That isn’t in any New Age religion! That’s just sick!
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeew, I know! Thinking about it…YUCK! That’s worse than the “Vampires” who drink each others blood: saw a show about it and it made me sick.
 
In Wicca there is a God and a Goddess, representing the male and female energies. I personally believe that they are in a way like the Trinity, two parts in a whole.

Edit: If you meant God in the way Christians portrayed it was not in WIcca, that is because it’s a separate belief system. Otherwise Wicca would be called Christianity.
These people at this “Lutheran” Church who believe God is also a goddess: the claim to be Lutheran Christians, but much of the Christian community disagrees
So HerChurch is based on Wiccan ideas…
 
Yep.
And 70’s style feminism
I think it would be more accurate to say that HerChurch (based on what I saw at the link, which is herchurch.org/, btw) and many forms of post 1960s Wicca are both heavily influenced by radical feminism rather than that HerChurch is founded on Wiccan ideals.

If you read Hutton’s “Triumph of the Moon” you will see that, in its original formulation with Gardner, Wicca was quite a bit different than many of the forms we see now that have resulted from Wicca’s importation to America and its mixing with radical feminism (the most obvious example of this is Dianic Wicca, which recognizes only the Goddess). There is also a Goddess movement or feminist spirituality which is separate from Wicca, though there is overlap, and is seen in various religions. HerChurch is an example within Christianity (findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0SOR/is_n2_v56/ai_17090304 mentions this in the Catholic Church) and jwa.org/feminism/_html/JWA057.htm in Judaism
 
I don’t know wicca, but discussing the use of ouija, tarot cards, spells and witchcraft, my confessorand Priest told me of what is called the “anti-sacraments”. It was a deadly serious conversation filled with the tone of warning. Tim
 
I think it would be more accurate to say that HerChurch (based on what I saw at the link, which is herchurch.org/, btw) and many forms of post 1960s Wicca are both heavily influenced by radical feminism rather than that HerChurch is founded on Wiccan ideals.

If you read Hutton’s “Triumph of the Moon” you will see that, in its original formulation with Gardner, Wicca was quite a bit different than many of the forms we see now that have resulted from Wicca’s importation to America and its mixing with radical feminism (the most obvious example of this is Dianic Wicca, which recognizes only the Goddess). There is also a Goddess movement or feminist spirituality which is separate from Wicca, though there is overlap, and is seen in various religions. HerChurch is an example within Christianity (findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0SOR/is_n2_v56/ai_17090304 mentions this in the Catholic Church) and jwa.org/feminism/_html/JWA057.htm in Judaism
What Karen is pointing out has some truth to it and is the biggest danger that Wicca and any other non-Christian or neo-paganism practices has for the Catholic Church, that is religous indifferentism. Radical feminism has taking bits and pieces from many non-Christian practices and lifted up the ‘goddess’ image or concept with ideas dating back to a movement based on theosophy with it’s modern version beginning in the 19th century. This movement claim’s that Judea-Christianity culture and thought to be “irrational biogtry”,so it becomes an all out attack on the Church and what they perceive to be the fault of “patriarchial” Christianity. The problem with this idea is the failure to see that it was the early Church which transformed the idea of women being mere property to being equally adopted children of God through Christ. An idea that pagan cultures of that era did not accept. This is the root of radical feminism and some say also the modern interest of neo-pagan religions. It is hard to tell but Wicca in its pre-Christian form was more likely patriachial then matriacal(sp).

Here is a report from New Zealand about how radical feminism has tried to blend itself into the Church. This is a problem not only in the Church in New Zealand, but is recognizable in the US and I hear echos of this on this forum in many threads.

A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in New Zealand
I am placing the following report at the service of all the faithful, from Bishop to lay person within the Catholic Church in New Zealand.
I write this report as I could not in good conscience keep quiet about the discovery of a most sinister and destructive movement that threatens our Church. Judging by their activities, it seems clear that members of the Church in New Zealand have taken on a substitute for the Catholic Faith, and seek to transform the Church in New Zealand in this new direction. This substitute is in fact a Neo-pagan movement, which has at its heart the “Goddess Cult”, the Goddess being a deity which is the end result of feminist theological thought.
I came across this movement while investigating links between dissident groups within the Church in New Zealand and the major international “Catholic” dissent groups. It is clear that dissent is behind the errors that are arising here. The driver behind the “Goddess Cult” is feminism, which dissenters have placed higher than the Revelation entrusted to the Church. Sadly the ranks of the “Goddess Cult” are mainly made up of religious orders of nuns for whom feminism is the new orthodoxy, and prime amongst them seem to be key members of the Sisters of Mercy. As nuns are a mainstay in Church structures they wield influence well beyond their numbers. MORE
 
It is hard to tell but Wicca in its pre-Christian form was more likely patriachial then matriacal(sp).
Wicca did not have a pre-Christian form. Though it draws a lot from a variety of pre-Christian European and Mediterranean religions as well a ceremonial magic, it did not exist until the early 20th century.
 
Wicca did not have a pre-Christian form. Though it draws a lot from a variety of pre-Christian European and Mediterranean religions as well a ceremonial magic, it did not exist until the early 20th century.
Exactly, it was made up.Good catch:thumbsup:
 
Exactly, it was made up.Good catch:thumbsup:
All religions are made up, what we hope, is that which they honor is eternal and true. Religions come and go, grow and change, but the Divine IS.

Some approach it on their knees, others with hands raised, some with hands joined, others prostrate.
 
All religions are made up, what we hope, is that which they honor is eternal and true. Religions come and go, grow and change, but the Divine IS.

.
John 1:1-5

In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. In him was life: and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it.

com·pre·hend
transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French comprendre, comprehendre, from Latin comprehendere, from com- + prehendere to grasp
1 : to grasp the nature, significance, or meaning of <unable to comprehend what has happened>
2 : to contain or hold within a total scope, significance, or amount <philosophy’s scope comprehend**s the truth of everything which man may understand – H. O. Taylor>
3 : to include by construction or implication <does not prudence comprehend all the virtues? – Thomas B. Silver>

IT IS hard to grasp when one stands in the dark:rolleyes:
 
You CANNOT tell me my claims are baseless, as it is what I went through.

I will say this once more, and then I am unsubscribing from this thread:
It does not matter how much you dress witchcraft and wicca in “light” and say that it is “white”. It is EVIL. It always has been, it always will be. You are messing with far more than you will ever understand.
I’m sorry, but they are baseless…You just say it is evil without supporting your opinion, therefore your claim is baseless…🤷
 
In college I once had the magical value of consuming menstural blood explained That was a less than pleasent experience. Actually, that in and of itself wouldn’t have been so bad but my lecturer took the liberty of opening the small frige in her dorm and showed how she stored menstrual blood for later consumption.
Usually they will put menstrual blood in a guys food to make him stay with her, but if the guy finds out what she did… whoa nelly.
 
Usually they will put menstrual blood in a guys food to make him stay with her, but if the guy finds out what she did… whoa nelly.
Could you tell me which particular branch of Wicca advocates this (with a link to the source, preferably)? I have never heard of it being done or discussed by any of the Wiccans I have known, so I at minimum question the “usually.”
 
Could you tell me which particular branch of Wicca advocates this (with a link to the source, preferably)? I have never heard of it being done or discussed by any of the Wiccans I have known, so I at minimum question the “usually.”
I do not know if this is particularly a Wicca thing, but I have heard of it being practiced by those who do spells, on numerous occasions.

There is no doubt that blood is used by some in spells. The people who use these practices are not dishonest or ashamed of it. It is part of their faith, often considered “gross” or “disgusting” by those who don’t understand or agree with it.

I think that most Catholics have experienced similar reactions when they tell others they eat and drink the real body and blood of their Lord.
 
I do not know if this is particularly a Wicca thing, but I have heard of it being practiced by those who do spells, on numerous occasions.

There is no doubt that blood is used by some in spells. The people who use these practices are not dishonest or ashamed of it. It is part of their faith, often considered “gross” or “disgusting” by those who don’t understand or agree with it.

I think that most Catholics have experienced similar reactions when they tell others they eat and drink the real body and blood of their Lord.
Those Catholics are not telling others that they used the body and blood to make another person behave in a manner contradictory to that person’s own will or that they were slipping a potentially lethal substance to that person along with the host without their consent. I am aware that there are spells that use blood, often as a means of personal sacrifice on the part of the practitioner. It is not the “ick” factor that concerns me here, it is the accusation of the intent and method of using the blood.

Are you in fact saying that you have heard of numerous occasions in which women would place menstrual blood in the food of an unsuspecting person in order to bind that person to them without their consent or in direct opposition to that person’s stated desires (presuming that one would not take such an action unless one thought one’s partner were planning on leaving the relationship)? And this was considered ethical by the groups in which they practiced? Do you happen to remember the names of the traditions they followed in any of those circumstances? I’d like to know for future reference.

It seems to me that this particular one (putting menstrual blood in the food of an unsuspecting person to bind them to one) is not within the bounds of the Wiccan ethics with which I am acquainted. There is a vast difference in intent and ethical context between using one’s own blood for a spell that is not aimed at control of another and deliberately placing such blood into an unsuspecting person’s food in order to make them act against their will. Rather like using a knife to cut a piece of cheese or open a package versus using it to stab someone. The tool remains the same, but the intent and ethical/moral context are very, very different.

Such behavior seems to contravene the “harm none” clause in a number of ways—exposure of someone to another’s bodily fluids without their consent and thus potential exposure to blood borne pathogens such as hepatitis, HIV, etc, seeking to control another’s behavior against their will, practicing magic on a person without their consent, etc. This is why it sounds like something other than Wicca, at least the branches of Wicca with which I am familiar. My husband, who is much more familiar with Wicca on a personal level, agrees that in his experience it would be considered wrong and unethical, period. Now, are there branches of Wicca in which this might be acceptable but with which I am just not familiar? Possibly, I can’t rule it out because I am certainly not an expert in the subject (and I have to say that those are branches I would likely avoid, personally, if such exist), but I am very skeptical. That is why I asked for the source of the information.
 
I’ve heard of it. It seems like the kind of spell a woman would use if she couldn’ et another substance for that spell’s purpose or was too hurried or lazy to do so. But I have used a couple of love spells (no personal body substances). I don’t know of any reason to think they worked, but my Wiccan friends approved. We all could really doubletalk our way around the Rede, and love spells were a prime example of that. We said that love was never a violation of someone’s will because they can always find a stronger spell and break it if they really are unhappy with you, or sometimes we said that everyone secretly wants to love everyone and it’s the degree we were manipulating, just bringing out what was there…when people are on their own to find a moral path, distortions can sometimes take place.
 
Are you in fact saying that you have heard of numerous occasions in which women would place menstrual blood in the food of an unsuspecting person in order to bind that person to them without their consent or in direct opposition to that person’s stated desires (presuming that one would not take such an action unless one thought one’s partner were planning on leaving the relationship)? And this was considered ethical by the groups in which they practiced? Do you happen to remember the names of the traditions they followed in any of those circumstances? I’d like to know for future reference.

It seems to me that this particular one (putting menstrual blood in the food of an unsuspecting person to bind them to one) is not within the bounds of the Wiccan ethics with which I am acquainted. There is a vast difference in intent and ethical context between using one’s own blood for a spell that is not aimed at control of another and deliberately placing such blood into an unsuspecting person’s food in order to make them act against their will. Rather like using a knife to cut a piece of cheese or open a package versus using it to stab someone. The tool remains the same, but the intent and ethical/moral context are very, very different.

Such behavior seems to contravene the “harm none” clause in a number of ways—exposure of someone to another’s bodily fluids without their consent and thus potential exposure to blood borne pathogens such as hepatitis, HIV, etc, seeking to control another’s behavior against their will, practicing magic on a person without their consent, etc. This is why it sounds like something other than Wicca, at least the branches of Wicca with which I am familiar. My husband, who is much more familiar with Wicca on a personal level, agrees that in his experience it would be considered wrong and unethical, period. Now, are there branches of Wicca in which this might be acceptable but with which I am just not familiar? Possibly, I can’t rule it out because I am certainly not an expert in the subject (and I have to say that those are branches I would likely avoid, personally, if such exist), but I am very skeptical. That is why I asked for the source of the information.
Remember there is no “authority” or “orthodoxy” or “catechism” for wiccans to follow. Wiccan ethics is only what each Wiccan chooses to follow. We have seen in Christianity what happens when believers reject Church authority and it’s teachings. so what do expect out of Wicca where there is nothing even close to authority of sacred texts, or leadership …🤷 Despite those that claim to be, there are no experts in Wicca.
 
Those Catholics are not telling others that they used the body and blood to make another person behave in a manner contradictory to that person’s own will or that they were slipping a potentially lethal substance to that person along with the host without their consent. I am aware that there are spells that use blood, often as a means of personal sacrifice on the part of the practitioner. It is not the “ick” factor that concerns me here, it is the accusation of the intent and method of using the blood.

Are you in fact saying that you have heard of numerous occasions in which women would place menstrual blood in the food of an unsuspecting person in order to bind that person to them without their consent or in direct opposition to that person’s stated desires (presuming that one would not take such an action unless one thought one’s partner were planning on leaving the relationship)? And this was considered ethical by the groups in which they practiced? Do you happen to remember the names of the traditions they followed in any of those circumstances? I’d like to know for future reference.

It seems to me that this particular one (putting menstrual blood in the food of an unsuspecting person to bind them to one) is not within the bounds of the Wiccan ethics with which I am acquainted. There is a vast difference in intent and ethical context between using one’s own blood for a spell that is not aimed at control of another and deliberately placing such blood into an unsuspecting person’s food in order to make them act against their will. Rather like using a knife to cut a piece of cheese or open a package versus using it to stab someone. The tool remains the same, but the intent and ethical/moral context are very, very different.

Such behavior seems to contravene the “harm none” clause in a number of ways—exposure of someone to another’s bodily fluids without their consent and thus potential exposure to blood borne pathogens such as hepatitis, HIV, etc, seeking to control another’s behavior against their will, practicing magic on a person without their consent, etc. This is why it sounds like something other than Wicca, at least the branches of Wicca with which I am familiar. My husband, who is much more familiar with Wicca on a personal level, agrees that in his experience it would be considered wrong and unethical, period. Now, are there branches of Wicca in which this might be acceptable but with which I am just not familiar? Possibly, I can’t rule it out because I am certainly not an expert in the subject (and I have to say that those are branches I would likely avoid, personally, if such exist), but I am very skeptical. That is why I asked for the source of the information.
As I and other posters have said, many people refer to themselves as Wiccans, whether or not they follow any actual written practice of the faith, or know anything about it other than the name and that some practitioners use magic…is another story.

I have had people, who refer to their religion as Wicca, tell me they have used menstrual blood in love binding spells. Most often it is put on a personal item of the beloved, but I have heard on a few occasions of it being placed in food or drink.

While this may be a perversion of Wicca, or more likely have nothing to do with Wicca itself, but be another form of magic that they have happened across is entirely possible.

I don’t feel I need to defend the practice on their behalf because I do not share their faith, belief in magic, etc. But I also know this is not something the people who shared it are ashamed of, nor would they consider me to be blaspheming or misrepresenting their beliefs to share this information. But it might not stem from the Wiccan aspects of their faith. I do not know.

My sources are the practitioners themselves. If you go to pagan forums, there are threads on love binding spells, using blood in spells etc.It is discussed on openly public forums.

However, as far as using blood in spells goes, nearly everyone I have ever discussed the subject with only uses their own blood, and it is not ingested by others, and very rarely by themselves. It is believed to add power to spells, to show great intention and commitment.

The love binding use of menstrual blood is the only time I have outright heard of anyone unknowingly causing another to ingest blood, and there is conflict among spellworkers about love spells. Many practitioners of magic DO indeed consider them unethical, especially ones that involve blood.

This practice has a tremendous amount of controversy in the magickal community.
 
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