What Bad Experiences you have had with Wicca?

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The Christian seeks God’s will, we don’t to try have God do our will.
Christian Prayer is used to worship God and only to ask for Grace (undeserved help) to be transformed into the being He wants us to be, not to transform Him into being what we think He should be. Every breath we take, every action we take, should be an act of prayer and worship.

🤷 It’s not magick, it is an ongoing relationship secured in faith.
Yes, that’s the central theological distinction between spellbinding and prayer. Pagan theologies assert that the divine is immanent in the souls of living humans. Thus, we have within ourselves a spark of the divine will, and are free - even required - to act in the world on our own account. The Gods are greater powers than we, as are many lesser things in nature and in spirit, but we still have our part to play, and the freedom - real freedom, untainted by rebellion - to act as we will.

The two strains of ‘surrenderism’ (there must be a more technical term) and of holy personal will have always run parallel in world history. That they both persist is just another example of the diverity of spiritual reality, and of the need for multiple paths to satisfy the needs of multiple people.

In my life I’ve worked some in both methods - it is useful, at times, to open ones will to a greater divine will. And I keep a devotional relationship with many of the Gods, in some cases using the ‘turn it over’ formula to ask a deity for aid. But I’ve also worked to more clearly understand my own divine will, and to gain strength and vision by which to accomplish it with wisdom and love.

Casting spells is one technique available for shaping the world. Just like using any tool, one must have a plan, and skill, and persistence to gain the goal of a spell. But it does bring a certain satisfaction to shape the world to ones own will, and see it grow from good to greater good as a result.
 
I noticed two things mainly about the wiccans I have met over time. 1. That the guy I knew was gay and couldn’t reconcile this at all. That is why he left the church. Sin was easier and more accepting of his living immorally. 2. The women I met all seemed to want to desire physical relations. They were very hedonisitic. God help them I suppose.
 
I always find it interesting that the explanation Catholics come up with when people leave the RCC it’s becasue the person who left “enjoys sin”…not that the RCC beliefs no longer met their spiritual needs…or that the RCC beliefs no longer made sense…it’s almost as though an excuse that the person who left HAD TO BE A SINNER and couldn’t handle “the truth” anymore…why is that?
 
I always find it interesting that the explanation Catholics come up with when people leave the RCC it’s becasue the person who left “enjoys sin”…not that the RCC beliefs no longer met their spiritual needs…or that the RCC beliefs no longer made sense…it’s almost as though an excuse that the person who left HAD TO BE A SINNER and couldn’t handle “the truth” anymore…why is that?
I am assuming that your talking about my last post. The man listed was choosing to sin. It is clear in both the Bible and in Catholic doctrine. I never used the phrase “enjoys sin”. Your right! I know how the RCC could fail to meet the “Spiritual” needs of others. They fail to meet them when the individual chooses to met thier own wants for self gratification rather than doing what is right. The basic fact is I knew these people and you didn’t. You are speaking about things that you know nothing about and in doing so are bringing the whole church into this instead of just arguing with me. Why is that?
 
What I saw was a judgement on your part…do you know for a fact the gay man was “active”? Is it possible he may have been chaste? It was a judgement on your part…at least from here in the peanut gallery from someone who doesn’t have a clue and is just observing.
 
I noticed two things mainly about the wiccans I have met over time. 1. That the guy I knew was gay and couldn’t reconcile this at all. That is why he left the church. Sin was easier and more accepting of his living immorally. 2. The women I met all seemed to want to desire physical relations. They were very hedonisitic. God help them I suppose.
You shouldn’t make judgement on thousands of people when you have only met two or three of the thousands. I’m Wiccan and I’m not gay.

And, although this is off topic, homosexuality is not a sin. If you truly love someone, then no one has the right to take that love away. Now if your relationship is only physical, regardless of your sexual preferences, then that is the real sin.
 
I always find it interesting that the explanation Catholics come up with when people leave the RCC it’s becasue the person who left “enjoys sin”…not that the RCC beliefs no longer met their spiritual needs…or that the RCC beliefs no longer made sense…it’s almost as though an excuse that the person who left HAD TO BE A SINNER and couldn’t handle “the truth” anymore…why is that?
😃 You are right! Now that ya mention that, I notice cases like that all the time.

RedSoxFan, let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone. I do not think I can convince you that homosexuality is not a sin, but why can’t you just leave them alone? How would you feel if your whole family and church treated you differently because you married someone they didn’t like? This is what I was talking about in the “Why did you leave Catholicism?” thread. You exile the homosexuals from the Church without even realizing that they are still people and you are treating them injustly and with exetreme bigotry.
 
You shouldn’t make judgement on thousands of people when you have only met two or three of the thousands. I’m Wiccan and I’m not gay.

And, although this is off topic, homosexuality is not a sin. If you truly love someone, then no one has the right to take that love away. Now if your relationship is only physical, regardless of your sexual preferences, then that is the real sin.
Firstly, the individual is not making a judgement but rather observing actions that go against standards set by our God–and did say that those were the only Wiccans they had known. That is not judging, that is perceiving. Unlike you, Blacktiger, who thinks it is perfectly ok to make your own rules and determine what is sin and what isn’t. You speak like someone who is angry at authority.
Secondly, your signature and above comment you made about sex being physical(animal) and being a sin—well perhaps you have been sexually used and abused by someone, because it is not even relevant to Catholics who consider sex only acceptable in marriage and see Marriage as sacred and holy and SPIRITUAL (so much so it is actually considered to be a Sacrament just like Baptism and the Priesthood!)
Why are you so bitter against Catholics? Because we have rules you don’t like?
And BTW–breaking the rules is called sinning and I can not even think of a reason to leave the Catholic Church unless you do not wish to live by the rules anymore…people can say they left for whatever, but no matter what reason they might give it is the same thing–they do not want to live by those rules anymore. It is the same way with any religion. Why else would anyone want to leave? Why would anyone be ashamed of that unless they themselves think there is something wrong with their choice? I left JWs after 22 years and have never regretted it or felt ashamed and it was because —yes I outgrew their limited spirituality—I stopped believing their rules were ‘right’ and I did not want to live by them anymore. To them I sinned and still am sinning. I stopped being a Witch for the same reasons.
 
😃 You are right! Now that ya mention that, I notice cases like that all the time.

RedSoxFan, let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone. I do not think I can convince you that homosexuality is not a sin, but why can’t you just leave them alone? How would you feel if your whole family and church treated you differently because you married someone they didn’t like? This is what I was talking about in the “Why did you leave Catholicism?” thread. You exile the homosexuals from the Church without even realizing that they are still people and you are treating them injustly and with exetreme bigotry.
Actually brothers and sisters that have SSA are not “exiled” from the Church, they are encouraged to live a chaste life like everybody else according to thier vocation. If one chooses an immoral lifestyle then it is they that separate themselves from the Grace offered from participation of the sacraments. You have free will choice, but that choice doesn’t give those that ignore Church teachings the right to become dictators over everyone else and God.🤷 I think that is the reason so many are attracted to Wicca is they seem to think they should be in control, not God. The ignore the creator and worship the creation, including themselves. IMHO
Actually, Wicca is a marriage between Witchcraft and Hinduism with a modern dress…anything goes!, except any doctrine related to Judaism, Christianity, or Islam: God, Satan, Heaven, Hell…
A Problem for a Christian: You can’t be a Wiccan and a Christian, the Bible and the Church condemn Wicca very strongly, and all the wonders of nature can’t erase a single sin… and, if you die in sin, you go to Hell.
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him (John 3:36)
A Problem for a Wiccan: Most Wiccans do not believe in Hell nor Satan… but it is the usual deception of Satan, who is the source of most Wiccans “experiences”… yes, Hell and Satan do exist… like Paris and Moscow exist, it is a fact!.. like it or not… believe it or not… would you dare to to live on earth thinking they do not exist to find out after death that they do exist?.. are you “sure” they do not exist?.. would you risk eternal Hell on something you are not sure of?.
Most Wiccans do not believe in Heaven or Hell, but they do believe that their soul lives on after the body fades. They believe in the Hindu reincarnation, which is the greatest lie of Satan to enslave most of the Eastern culture, and the main reason of the infamous “Caste System” in India, the most “intolerant” and “prejudice” System in the history of the human race.
, is an ancient witchcraft religion which honor the gods of nature. Wicca means “wise one”. the craft****the craft of the wise

For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise: and the prudence of the prudent I will reject. Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?For, seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world, by wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God, by the foolishness of our preaching, to save them that believe. For both the Jews require signs: and the Greeks seek after wisdom. But we preach Christ crucified: unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness: But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ, the power of God and the wisdom of God.For the foolishness of God is wiser than men: and the weakness of God is stronger than men.1Cor 1:19 -25
 
Wicca, the craft, or the craft of the wise, is an ancient witchcraft religion which honor the gods of nature. Wicca means “wise one”.

The site you are referencing is a mishmash of internal contradictions, accurate and inaccurate information. Honestly, it sounds like they polled a bunch of people and asked them what they knew about Wicca, witchcraft and Neopaganism then just wrote all the info down without any attention to editing, fact checking or internal consistency. There have been plenty of other, more accurate sources of info posted on this thread already. I would suggest you check a few of them out.
 
The site you are referencing is a mishmash of internal contradictions, accurate and inaccurate information. Honestly, it sounds like they polled a bunch of people and asked them what they knew about Wicca, witchcraft and Neopaganism then just wrote all the info down without any attention to editing, fact checking or internal consistency. There have been plenty of other, more accurate sources of info posted on this thread already. I would suggest you check a few of them out.
Sounds just like Wicca and neo-paganism - that is contradictive, mishmash which the only true expert depends on whose book of the week you are reading. How is one to check facts and cross reference religions that were dreamed up in the minds and fantasies of bohemian misfits over the last 60 to 70 years? 🤷

Here this may be more to your taste for an objective look leaning neither way pro or con; :rolleyes: though I believe the commentary at the end of the article is anti-Christian in substance. religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/wicca.html
More recently, the actual legitimacy of Gardner’s claims has been refuted with the existence of claims that Gardner was never initiated by a Dorothy Clutterbuck and that the rituals and practices outlined in his book are simply a synthesis of several sources, including Murray’s work, the writings of Aleister Crowley and Freemasonry (Melton, 165; Adler, 63-64). Critics and experts have since drawn the conclusion that Gardner probably was involved in a form of Wicca, as in the Old Religion 3 of earth magic and herbal practices, but in time created a more ritualized and romanticized Wiccan form (Lewis, 173). The Wiccan tradition he created eventually became known as Gardnerian Wicca.
Although Gardner’s claims in Witchcraft Today that Wicca has existed since pre-Christian times have since been refuted, this is not to say that Wicca did not exist during the pre-Christian era. It is simply that the Old Religion of Wicca focused more on herbal medicine and magical lore (Lewis, 178-179). The romantic idea that Wicca survived from the “Old Religion” through the “Burning Times” is an important part of the belief of many modern practitioners. As in any religion, rigid scholarship is not a requirement for membership**.This idea is another tenet that provides a point of separation among the groups within the movement, along with yet another small faction that believes witches are survivors or reincarnations of the citizens of Atlantis, though this is more popular in North America.
I hope you approve of the scholarship at the University of Virginia?
virginia.edu/virginia/images/second/hdrUva.jpg
founded by T. Jefferson 1st Pagan President of the United States:rolleyes:
 
**Here this may be more to your taste for an objective look leaning neither way pro or con; :rolleyes: though I believe the commentary at the end of the article is anti-Christian in substance. **

Yes, actually it is a bit better, however, I would note just for clarification that the page was not written by the University of Virginia, nor by any of the professors on its staff. It was written by a student for an undergraduate sociology class (graduate level classes start in the 500s), then expanded by another person, whose academic credentials are not included. Field research is listed, but it doesn’t say in what field.

“Created by Karen Junker and Vernieda Vergara
This page was initially created by Ms Vergara
for Soc 257: New Religious Movements, Spring Term, 1998.
The page was subsequently revised and expanded by Ms Junker
of Seattle, Washington who has done extensive field research
of modern Wiccans, Druids, Neopagans and Satanists.”

I don’t believe that the authors of the article are as up on current scholarship regarding the known facts of the witch hunts and known history of Wicca as would be ideal, based on some of their comments and other information I have read. In their defense, what they list was probably what was available at the time and reflected widespread misconceptions in the Neopagan community(Hutton’s book didn’t come out until 2001, for instance and the article was written in 1998). It also takes a very long time for scholarship to filter through and down.

As to “As in any religion, rigid scholarship is not a requirement for membership,” no, it isn’t, for Wiccans or Catholics, but that doesn’t make it extremely useful. Does that make misconceptions by the average “Catholic in the street” about the history of their religion accurate?

There really is, to my knowledge, no credible academic support to back up claims that Wicca as an organized religion such as that practiced by Wiccans currently existed before the advent of Gerald Gardner. I am not aware of any religion that worshipped the Triple Goddess as described by Wicca prior to the development of that image by Robert Graves, the poet, in his book “The White Goddess” (1948) or that pre-Christian religions in general viewed their Gods and Goddesses as simply interchangable facets of a single God and Goddess. It has more to do with the works of Frazer and others of the 19th century than with actual documentable pre-Christian practice.

The article itself says that. “Critics and experts have since drawn the conclusion that Gardner probably was involved in a form of Wicca, as in the Old Religion 3 of earth magic and herbal practices, but in time created a more ritualized and romanticized Wiccan form (Lewis, 173).” To go on to the footnote to clarify what is meant in this context by “The Old Religion”—
"On the use of the concept “Old Religion,” John Brightshadow Yohalem, Editor of Enchange: The Journal of the Urbane Pagan , writes: “Contrary to the statements of Gerald Gardner,Wicca was NOT a religion at all before his time, but consisted of various folk magic practices.Its practitioners were Christians with some heterodox traditions, many of which may have descended from ancient Pagan religions. But they were not themselves Pagans – unless you count all Roman Catholics as Pagans, which is arguable (both ways). The Great Witch Hunt came about during the era of the Reformation as an attempt of the hierarchy to rid the religion of these heterodox practicers. The people persecuted were themselves Christians whether or not they also practices witchcraft.” (11/08/98) "

It is not the claims that Gardner created Wicca that I found glaringly inaccurate in your original article, it is the claim that it is a survivor of a pre-Christian religion and that it is based on Hinduism: “Wicca, the craft, or the craft of the wise, is an ancient witchcraft religion which honor the gods of nature.” and “Wicca is a marriage between Witchcraft and Hinduism.” I would like to see citations of evidence for the use of Hinduism by Gardner, in particular.

I still prefer Professor Hutton’s work (he is a professor of history at Bristol University) overall as the best source currently available for a factual look as he looks into what can actually be supported by current scholarship and documentation, and being a book it is more in depth.

Overall, to be a new religion is not shameful. All religions at one time were new. Mythic language, stories and imagery are not shameful–the sacred stories are the way that religion speaks to our souls. Myths that embody deep truths grow up around things other than religion (George Washington and the cherry tree, for instance). However, historical facts are just that–supportable and documentable. Facts and myth are not interchangable and need to be evaluated differently.
 
. Field research is listed, but it doesn’t say in what field.

**"Created by Karen Junker and Vernieda Vergara **
**This page was initially created by Ms Vergara **
**for Soc 257: New Religious Movements, Spring Term, 1998. **
**The page was subsequently revised and expanded by Ms Junker **
**of Seattle, Washington who has done extensive field research **
of modern Wiccans, Druids, Neopagans and Satanists."

I don’t believe that the authors of the article are as up on current scholarship regarding the known facts of the witch hunts and known history of Wicca as would be ideal, based on some of their comments and other information I have read. In their defense, what they list was probably what was available at the time and reflected widespread misconceptions in the Neopagan community(Hutton’s book didn’t come out until 2001, for instance and the article was written in 1998). It also takes a very long time for scholarship to filter through and down. .
**Here contact her yourself and give her your eval of her scholarship:shrug: **

**Karen Junker, **
Executive Director
**Address: **PO BOX 3832Bellvue, WA 98009
#234 ::: Karen Junker ::: (view all by) ::: On the topic of Wicca - the word has been used by lots of different kinds of witches to describe themselves, religious or not. In the past 10-15 years, there’s been a real push by the Gardnerianesque trads to co-opt the word. My articles on Wicca and Druids can be found on the University of Virginia’s web site for the New Religious Movements. Just a note - they’ve been altered by students. Alexandrians, for example, are not named for a city in Egypt. I also wrote the workbook for the ADF course of study. I’ve been interviewing pagans for over thirty years for an archive in a couple of universities, as well. What you’d call primary source material, I guess. Anyhow, I just wanted to pipe up on that subject since I can claim some background in it. Nice to see you all
Sorry I misrepresented U of VA, I have old friends there.

**PAX **
 
What I saw was a judgement on your part…do you know for a fact the gay man was “active”? Is it possible he may have been chaste? It was a judgement on your part…at least from here in the peanut gallery from someone who doesn’t have a clue and is just observing.
Yeah he was active. He was playing the field in college, and this he admitted. Knowing him as a friend I could tell that he was unhappy about a few things. His being gay caused a rift between him and his family. Honestly I felt bad for him. It made his life very tough.
 
You shouldn’t make judgement on thousands of people when you have only met two or three of the thousands. I’m Wiccan and I’m not gay.

And, although this is off topic, homosexuality is not a sin. If you truly love someone, then no one has the right to take that love away. Now if your relationship is only physical, regardless of your sexual preferences, then that is the real sin.
I made no judgements. I commented on the 4 wiccans I have known in my life. This thread asked to comment on my experiances with them. These are those experiances. As for homosexuality it’s not a sin to be gay. It is one to act upon it.
 
😃 You are right! Now that ya mention that, I notice cases like that all the time.

RedSoxFan, let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone. I do not think I can convince you that homosexuality is not a sin, but why can’t you just leave them alone? How would you feel if your whole family and church treated you differently because you married someone they didn’t like? This is what I was talking about in the “Why did you leave Catholicism?” thread. You exile the homosexuals from the Church without even realizing that they are still people and you are treating them injustly and with exetreme bigotry.
What the heck are you talking about? Admonishing the sinner is a work of Mercy. This may be hard to understand, but it is. If you knew that an act that would send someone to hell is being commited by people you cared about would you keep your mouth shut? Go ahead try and to use your pathetic biggotry argument. Trying to intimidate to shut me down won’t work. I considered this person a friend in college and if I was around I still would. As for exiling them I had no part in that. But if that is what it would take to alert them to the seriousness of their actions then it is a necessary step. They church always welcomes back the penitant wayward soul. Open your eyes and get off your high horse.
 
**Here contact her yourself and give her your eval of her scholarship:shrug: **

To say that someone who posted something in 1998 did not appear to have access to information we have available in 2007 is not a slam, merely an observation that more information is widely available now. To say that the information provided by a journalist (Margot Adler for instance, who wrote “Drawing Down the Moon”) or writer (as Ms. Junker appears to be–the address is for a writers’ workshop) and that provided by an academic professional can and should be evaluated differently in regard to current scholarship in the field of study of that academic professional is not a slam. It is knowing and judging one’s sources.

I fully expect a writer to take a different approach, have a different goal for her work and have access to different information overall in the field of archaeology, especially as relates to the most current scholarship in the field, than an archaeologist, for example. Their sources and aims in writing are different.

Ronald Hutton is an historian. His aim is to show the documentable history as well as possible. That is a different thing than surveying current popular opinion in a group. Both have value, but for different purposes. His work may also become somewhat dated as new information comes available in other fields or the information from those fields becomes more widely disseminated. One of the issues in groups that seek to understand as much as possible about what pre-Christian religious practices actually were like is that one has to attempt to synthesize knowledge from many different fields, and that is often difficult for a lay person to do. It takes time for academic knowledge to filter across disciplines and into the popular press. The popular press has a tendency to become increasingly self-referential as time goes on (this happens in any group), as writers use as source material other older writers in the same field rather than looking outwards.

Note also that she herself says (my emphasis)"My articles on Wicca and Druids can be found on the University of Virginia’s web site for the New Religious Movements. Just a note - they’ve been altered by students. "
 
Ronald Hutton is an historian. "
And his “areas of specialisation include the history of the British Isles in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, especially on the Reformation, Civil Wars, Restoration and Charles II.”
What is striking about him on Wicca/Neopaganism; *“He questioned many assumptions about its development and argued that many of the claimed connections to longstanding hidden pagan traditions are questionable at best. However, he also argued for its importance as a genuine *new religious movement.” Which is the sentiment of most New Agers/Neo-pagans such as the Religion Sociologist, theosophist and Liberal Catholic (nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church). Dr. Robert S. Ellwood. One of his comments on practicioners of neo-paganism/wicca, “They seek to recover a sense of wonder and respect as religous feelings towards nature in all its moods and toward the human body and psyche. Thus they want to find a new totality, perhaps in reaction to a schizophenic culture. They look for it in new cosmic religion that vehemently rejects the religous values of history, while it radically affirms the religous value of raising the conciousness through stimulation of the imignation by ritually creating a suggestive and sacred milieu.”
He wrote that back in 1973, and here 34 years later we have "historians’ like Hutton still saying the same thing and still many people searching for that “real” experience. What we really have are middle-aged people that are still trying to sell thier adolescent fantasies as up-to-date scholarship to a young unknowing public. Just rehashing and recycling the same old rejected false spiritualities and presenting them as being an enlighten but supressed spirituality of the past. Have you wondered why the early Church Fathers rejected those pagan practices, which they once practiced? and at a time when they were persecuted by the pagans in power for being athiest, because they accepted the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Church? Maybe it is because true enligtenment came with the death and resurection of Jesus Christ? Just maybe God wants us to be true individuals that have a personal relationship with him and not just melt or “meld” into the cosmos? Just a thought.:ehh:
 
He wrote that back in 1973, and here 34 years later we have "historians’ like Hutton still saying the same thing and still many people searching for that “real” experience.

What we really have, these decades later, is a maturing new religious movement, with multi-decade organizations, spreading social involvement, and a constant flow of powerful personal involvement with the spiritual. We’re producing art, music, philosophy and spiritual practice that can fulfill and inform individual life, and contribute to the general good of any society. Since we don’t believe that souls need ‘saved’ you won’t find us bragging about sudden ‘conversions’ or the like - we don’t seek them because we don’t think we need them. But one does see a constant power of improvement, deepening wisdom, increasing spiritual skill and growth in our real-world organization and ability.

**What we really have are middle-aged people that are still trying to sell thier adolescent fantasies as up-to-date scholarship to a young unknowing public. **

Mere lack of in formation on your part. Teachers in the movement do include boomers, but lots of new young voices are coming up. We’re developing 2nd and 3rd generation Pagan families now, with children raised entirely in a Pagan context. Those kids are in their 20s and younger - keep an eye out for them.

Have you wondered why the early Church Fathers rejected those pagan practices, which they once practiced?

The time of the first Christians was a time of religious ferment much like our own. The traditional faith of the people was competing against a variety of foreign cults, and it was the fashion of those times for educated people to seek among the world’s philosophies, and choose one to practice. The various Christianities competed with many other sects, and converted those who preferred it. Eventually, and as soon as they could, Christians made it illegal to be anything but a Christian… conversion proceeded more quickly then.

and at a time when they were persecuted by the pagans in power for being athiest, because they accepted the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Church?

Pagan persecution of christians is insignificant compared with christian persecution of pagans for the next 600 years. Pagans held fast to the old ways for as long as the oppression of the christianized empire would allow, depite the work of defilers and blasphemers like Martin of Tours or Charles the Great.

Maybe it is because true enligtenment came with the death and resurection of Jesus Christ?

Maybe it’s because troops with swords would take your land if you didn’t parrot the line of the roman church.

**Just maybe God wants us to be true individuals that have a personal relationship with him and not just melt or “meld” into the cosmos? **

I’m not a ‘meld into cosmos’ kind of guy, myself. I enjoy a personal relationship with the divine in the persons of my gods and goddesses - if me soul never dissolves into the one, that’s ok with me 🙂
 
[bIt is not the claims that Gardner created Wicca that I found glaringly inaccurate in your original article, it is the claim that it is a survivor of a pre-Christian religion and that it is based on Hinduism: “Wicca, the craft, or the craft of the wise, is an ancient witchcraft religion which honor the gods of nature.” and “Wicca is a marriage between Witchcraft and Hinduism.” I would like to see citations of evidence for the use of Hinduism by Gardner, in particular.
You need to do more research on Gardner, all the influences upon him and those individuals that had influenced him. Hinduism has some, if not many of the same elements which are claimed to be pure Wicca, just because the same terminology is not being used, doesn’t separate the connection. The idea of reincarnation is a direct link to Hinduism. And Hinduism had been introduced into Great Britian and had it’s own popularity a long time before Gardner came along, and it would only be natural for Britians to Westernized any spirituality they are attracted to inorder to fit into English acceptability, mindset and racial requirements. Otherwise to separate itself from any connection to the East
I don’t accept that disconnect which Wiccans and Wiccan Historians try to make as to how modern Wicca was born, in order to isolate it from the influences of its modern day creation.

Gardner spent three decades in Asia before coming back to England and “discovering” The Craft". His interest in the occult didn’t start the day he returned to England:shrug:And the influence of theosophy upon all occult practices of the West is selfevident and theosophy tried to bring it all together, but instead was more like a seed wart.:rolleyes: Oh, theosophy what does it have to do with it? uummmm.
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