What Bible do you use? Why? Recommendations?

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I have a pretty good collection of full length Bibles, as well as pocket sized New Testaments. The full sized Bible that I use the most is an NAB (Copyright 1987 by Thomas Nelson Inc.). I also carry a pocket sized NT with Psalms and Proverbs at all times, which I read quite a bit. It is a Gideon New KJV (Copyright 1982 by Thomas Nelson Inc.). I am pretty satisfied with these two Bibles. I also have several other Bibles/NTs, most of them KJVs (One family Bible from 1839 and another from 1952). I also have a pocket sized NASB and a full length NIV that was given to me recently (I’m not really a fan of the NIV).

I was wondering what version other people are using. What are your preferences and why? What version do you believe tends to be the most accurate? Is their any particular version you would recommend steering away from? I do enjoy comparing various versions on my own, but I would also appreciate anyone’s (name removed by moderator)ut on this issue. I am especially interested in the Douay-Rheims, the RSV (Catholic Version), and the Anglican Bible.
 
As a cradle Catholic and Catholic School student, I grew up with the Duoay version, of course. Even after I was “Born Again” I refused to look at any other Bible. Until the Lord literally dragged me into a CofE church. I cried, wept real tears and said “Lord its a PROTESTANT church” but the Lord said, “are you afraid of Me, Ian?” Hesitantly, I said, “No, Lord” and he pushed me in. That broke my rigid bigotted Catholicity and freed me to listen to other ideas (not that I accepted them unless the Boss said so.
He said to me one day, appropos of nothing, “one day you will praise Me in Greek, Ian.” And was silent. I taught myself Koine, not good enough for a fireside read by enough to check out the NT with the help of a lexicon.
Although I had the gift of tongues, I was reluctant to pray aloud in tongues. But at one Chrismatic meeting when everyone was giving it wellie in tongues I opened my mouth and belted out the Lord’s Prayer in Greek. I heard a chuckle, “I told you you would praise me in Greek, Ian!”🙂 So to answer the question, I prefer the NIV, which is translated from both Latin and Greek texts, checking with my Interlinear Greek English NT.
PS Paul Johnson, in his History of Christianity, writes: “no wonder Jesus comes across as an enigma: His words come down to us in Greek.” He goes on to explain that the Greek language developed to support their favourite pastime: the argument. Whereas Latin was developed support Roman Law. Johnson writes, "if you say “the cat is black” in Greek, its enough to start a whole afternoon’s argument in the agorra. Whereas if you said it Latin, there can be no argument, its a legal edict: “THE CAT IS BLACK”.
I don’t understand much Latin (except Mass Latin from the old days) but I understood then that when Jerome translated the NT from Greek to Latin it became doctrinal. Translations from Latin to the vernacular must therefore lose much fluidity.
For example Jesus did not ask Peter “do you love me” three times. In the Greek, Jesus asks, “Peter do you AGAPE me?” (That truly is an untranslateable word, nearest being “God’s love”). Peter, in all honesty replies, “Lord, I PHILO you” (Man’s love). Jesus repeats his Agape question and Peter repeats his Philo answer. The third time Jesus climbs down and asks, “Peter do you PHILO me?” and Peter can truthfully, if testily, reply, “that’s what I’ve been telling you over and over!!!”😃
 
Depends on what you’re looking for.

Orthodoxy, old-style English, and correspondence to the Vulgate: the Douay-Rheims Challoner.

Orthodoxy, modern English, and common ground with Protestant Bibles: Revised Standard Version, 2nd Catholic Edition (“RSV-2CE”). (The First Catholic Edition or RSV-CE is all right, but has a few inaccuracies / points of debate).

Translations used in the English version of the Catechism: RSV-CE and NRSV-CE

Moderate-to-liberal biblical scholarship, literary quality and excellent formatting: Jerusalem Bible

Inclusive language versions: New Revised Standard Version, Catholic Edition (“NSRV-CE”) (readable, but errs on various points) and New Jerusalem Bible (much more readable, much less obtrusive use of inclusive terms, and better notes)

Liberal / “modern” Biblical scholarship and fair readability: New American Bible, New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE).

Those are just the ones I own. If you want the ones I read regularly, in descending order, they would be the JB / NJB, RSV-CE/2CE, and Douay-Rheims.
 
I use the Revised Standard Version, Catholic edition. My previous Bible (I still have it, but rarely use it,) was a hard covered student edition of the New Jerusalem Bible, because that was what was assigned to purchase and use when I was a high school freshman. The NJB is now falling apart, and when I did the Spiritual Exercises I needed a Catholic Bible that would handle frequent (daily) use. I also needed something with big print: Even with prescription reading glasses, I was getting eyestrain from frequent reading of small type.

So I went shopping at physical brick and mortar Catholic bookstores around here. The one run by the diocese had several to choose from. The New American Bible, revised edition, only came in smallish print. There were several RSV (C,) on the other hand. I decided on the Ignatius Press, large print, leather bound edition ($63.)

When I brought it along with me to a group meeting of those of us who were doing the Exercises, the priest commented, “Oh, my! It’s about the size of a lectionary!” But for me, it’s nice to be able to sit down and read for a more protracted period of time without the distraction of an eyestrain headache.

The translation seems to have a more formal flavor, without being archaic language, than the NABRE Bible (the one from which Mass readings are taken.) I haven’t noticed any attempts to use inclusive language. The style is well-written. The references are in the form of end notes, in other words, there is not a large footnote section visually cluttering the page. That may or may not be an advantage; some people dislike page-flipping to find references.

The physical book itself is gilt edged and bound in flexible soft leather (it feels like glove leather to me, but I can’t be certain of that) and it feels good in the hand. There is also no need for “gorilla grip” to keep it open, it lies flat on the table when opened. It really is beautifully produced, but that fact makes it the kind of Bible I wouldn’t want to mark up or put notes in. I solved that problem by getting a notebook and putting my own notes there.

I understand Ignatius Press also makes a study version. It wasn’t there when I went to the bookstore.
 
For me, understanding the historical context (e.g., setting, customs, factions, location, etc) help immensely in grasping the full meaning of the scripture. As such, I use two Bibles:
  • Ignatius Study Bible, NABRE translation. I use this on my Kindle Fire, and I have found it an OUTSTANDING resource for understanding scripture, how the early Church fathers interpreted scripture, and how it relates to & influences Catholicism.
  • Archaeology Study Bible, NIV translation. I have the hard-copy edition of this. I know the NIV isn’t an “official” translation of the Church, but it is suitable for individual study (besides, I don’t think they have a “Catholic Version” of this Bible). This Bible focuses on exposing the historical side of scripture, and it is full of maps, bios on key figures, analysis of the politics of the day, in-depth discussion on practices, etc. My favorite part is the treatment it gives to biblical archaeology; as the name denotes, it gives the reader a thorough understanding of archaeological excavations and scientific findings related to the events/places described in scripture.
Hope this helps! 🙂

God bless,
Dean
 
The NJB, NAB, and many others are honestly quite useless when it comes to reading the words of God in English, often due to the politically-correct (feminism, etc.) or secular (anti-supernatural, prophecy is impossible, miracles are fake, etc.) biases of the translators. Then, there are some good Bibles that display anti-Catholic bias in certain translational choices, but I’d rather have an anti-Catholic bias in certain passages than an anti-Christian or anti-theistic bias pervading the entire work, especially when heaped together with the textual and historical criticisms, the latter of which, when operating from naturalistic premises (which one can’t blame them for, as it’s the only way to research history), is inherently and necessarily denying of God and faith, and the attendants, such as prophecy and miracles.

The Douay-Rheims is an excellent Bible. I trust only several translations, and none of them absolutely, as I read the NT in the original Greek and in Latin, but I must read translations of the OT (both the Septuagint and English translations). These translations have I found worthy, although not all of them come with a full canon. If you want, I can tell you of particularly egregious choices in translation that make certain books (such as the NAB and its rendering of Genesis 1:1-3, and its rearranging of verses to introduce contradictions where none exist in the text, not to mention the annotation, which is actually beyond useless, and harmful, if one thinks that it is true because it is written in a Bible, or orthodox because it has the imprimatur) worthless as Bibles, although all translations are imperfect.

These are the translations, in rough order of preference: Douay-Rheims, KJV, Confraternity Version, Knox’s Translation, NKJV, Brenton’s Septuagint, Orthodox Study Bible, New English Translation of the Septuagint, NASB, ASV 1901, ESV, Old Jerusalem Bible, RSV-2CE, CPDV, NAB (New Testament only). The New International Version (1984) is decent, as it doesn’t have an anti-Christian bias, but it has a very, very strong Protestant, sola fide, sola gratia, solus Christus bias throughout the NT. The HCSB is similar.

These are the translations I refuse to read: NRSV (although it can be used for critical study, to refute the critics, who all use it), NAB OT, NABRE OT (the NAB NT is decent), NEB, REB, NJB, Moffatt, NLT, NIV 2011, MSG, NWT, TNIV (much the same as NIV 2011).

Those not listed - pretty much very rare versions (AMP, Berkeley, Goodspeed), and the RSV and RSV-CE - are acceptable, but not as good as those that are good, but not as horrible as those listed as bad. For detailed study, a good Bible is important, but for the bare outlines of the Gospel message, any Bible - even the worst - will almost certainly do. The errors creep in when getting in to points of doctrine, such as prophecy, miracle, the eternity or creation of the world, the reliability or infallibility of Scripture, the place of women in the Church, Paul’s vice lists/morality/what is a sin?, etc. The NLT, MSG, and NIV 2011 are listed as poor because of the former two’s very, very loose use of language, so that it’s not so much a translation as a retelling of the Bible, and the latter for its use of gender language, even though it doesn’t have an anti-supernaturalist or anti-theistic bias.

If you’re interested in starting to study the Bible, you should come at it from both sides, so that you can confront the scoffers and doubters on your own terms, instead of being first exposed to some of the more ridiculously thin higher-critical theories by atheists and modernists.
 
I use…and have for about 30 years…the Oxford Study Bible Expanded Edition…2nd edition…I have copies of the 3rd and 4th edition as well in paperback…but my devotional copy I use is the 2nd edition.

It’s the RSV…and it contains all the books shared as scripture between the Orrthodox, Catholic and Protestant brances of Christianity.

It has great informative notes and good introductions to each book…with a short history of the Bible’s complilation.

This edition was called the “Common Bible” in the '70’s.

I utilize the RSV as my version of choice…I have a wide variety of translations I use when I need to…Jerusalem Bible, NAB and DR included.
 
Recently I acquired the Ignatius Press RVS-CE, second edition. Highly recommended! The second edition doesn’t use ‘thee’ and ‘thou’ when referring to God, so it reads a bit more smoothly than their first edition. I find the RSV in general a good balance of literal wording with readability.

I’m not a fan of the so-called ‘inclusive language’ translations. I also have an older NAB that has excellent footnotes. The Douay-Rheims is always good, especially if you want the most literal wording, and the original Jerusalem Bible from 1966 is good too. I have the readers edition of that. The footnotes in the complete edition are great, but the print on the footnotes is very small, and the bible itself is rather thick and cumbersome.
 
I use almost all of them, I’m not kidding :o

For the OT I like to use English translations from the Septuagint, the Orthodox Study Bible being my favorite. For non-Septuagint Translations I navigate between the RSV-CE, NASB and ESV.

For the NT I mostly use NKJV, NASB, Jerusalem Bible (1966), RSV-CE. But I also use the ESV and HCSB a lot. I also have NIV-84 and 2011 since I like the vast selection of references it has (Concordance, Cross References, etc).

I like translations that include verses like Matthew 17:21 and the such and then have notes about them. I don’t like translations to keep verses from me. If I have a doubt I have a Church to go to :D.

I don’t like the NAB in any version, and I don’t like translation that put the Spirit of God as a wind… I know the word has that dual meaning in its original language but I don’t like the use of wind… :p;)
 
Worst is that it begins, “In the beginning, when God created…”… without 2 Maccabees in there, it seems that Genesis is teaching creation from pre-existent, co-eternal matter, which is what some of the more liberal exegetes claim it is, based on specious parallels with other ANE creation myths (although when one thinks they’re all falsehood, or “myths” in the non-academic sense, what’s the difference?). I refer to Walter Brueggemann’s Interpretation of Genesis, pp. 29-31, and corresponding passages in Wenham’s Genesis 1-15 and Mathews’ Genesis 1-11:28, and while avoiding the Exegetical Firm of Walton, Alter, and Sarna. For a moderate (not liberal, conservative, not strict creationist as Mathews is) interpretation of the beginning of Genesis, John Collins’ Genesis 1-4: A Historical, Literary, and Theological Study is good.
 
Douay Rheims, because its the most orthodox. You can never go wrong with it I am translating the Glossa Ordinaria right now, and the Vulgate is the Scripture text used, which means the Douay fits right in! The Vulgate has the greatest roots in the Church, and the Douay is a literal translation of it.
 
The NJB, NAB, and many others are honestly quite useless when it comes to reading the words of God in English, often due to the politically-correct (feminism, etc.) or secular (anti-supernatural, prophecy is impossible, miracles are fake, etc.) biases of the translators.

The Douay-Rheims is an excellent Bible. I trust only several translations, and none of them absolutely, as I read the NT in the original Greek and in Latin, but I must read translations of the OT (both the Septuagint and English translations). These translations have I found worthy, although not all of them come with a full canon. If you want, I can tell you of particularly egregious choices in translation that make certain books (such as the NAB and its rendering of Genesis 1:1-3, and its rearranging of verses to introduce contradictions where none exist in the text, not to mention the annotation, which is actually beyond useless, and harmful, if one thinks that it is true because it is written in a Bible, or orthodox because it has the imprimatur) worthless as Bibles, although all translations are imperfect.
Thank you for your reply. Could you give me some more specific information on what you dislike about the NAB?

To clarify my reason for posting on this issue, I am looking to pick up another full length Bible and another pocket sized NT. Although I have six full length Bibles and five pocket NTs, only one (the full length NAB) is a Catholic Bible. I would like to get another full length Catholic Bible, but not an NAB (mainly because I already own one).

For the pocket sized NT, I want to get a Catholic version because I do not currently own one. The best one I currently own is a New KJV. Because it is so easy to carry around, I read from this NT on a daily basis. I would like to get a good pocket sized Catholic NT, so I can use a Catholic version more frequently.

JK
 
Thank you all for your responses. I have done a bit of online research on this topic, but your opinions are helpful.

It seems like some people really like the NJB, while others do not. Could anyone give me some pros and cons of this version?

Also, with a D-R, I have heard that the language is a bit difficult sometimes. I am pretty used to KJVs, so I am not sure if this would be an issue anyway.

Right now I think I am leaning toward an RSV-CE for a full length Bible. For a pocket sized NT, I am still pretty unsure.

Also, does anyone know of a reputable online source for buying a Catholic Bible/NT? I have looked on Amazon and and E-bay and they do not have the best selection, especially when it comes to NTs.
 
Thank you for your reply. Could you give me some more specific information on what you dislike about the NAB?

To clarify my reason for posting on this issue, I am looking to pick up another full length Bible and another pocket sized NT. Although I have six full length Bibles and five pocket NTs, only one (the full length NAB) is a Catholic Bible. I would like to get another full length Catholic Bible, but not an NAB (mainly because I already own one).

For the pocket sized NT, I want to get a Catholic version because I do not currently own one. The best one I currently own is a New KJV. Because it is so easy to carry around, I read from this NT on a daily basis. I would like to get a good pocket sized Catholic NT, so I can use a Catholic version more frequently.

JK
For a pocket NT, get the Confraternity Version published by Scepter. It can be had on Amazon Marketplace (every seller I’ve dealt with, all two hundred, are legitimate, and I buy a lot of books and journals - I place 7-10 - yes, seven to ten, I read a book of fiction in a few hours, and a commentary in a few days, although philosophy and theology takes much longer to read; I have spent probably $10-15k over the past year or two with over a hundred different sellers, and have never once been burned completely, although sometimes the condition of the book, if anything other than “new”, isn’t quite as advertised - there’s an art to reading the postings - Amazon orders a month, not counting Kindle, and a majority of those have at least one book from a Marketplace seller in them) for $10 and $4 shipping. It’s very durable, nicely bound, includes a reading plan, is well-printed (in two colors), is in a surprisingly large font, and is single column and paragraphed with nearly ideal verse markings (it satisfies almost every criteria of J Mark Bertrand on ideal Bible design), and small enough to fit in a shirt pocket, in addition to being an excellent translation.

The Douay has easier English than the KJV, IMO. One can get the KJV with “Apocrypha” (the New Cambridge Paragraph Bible, my primary one), and the DRC is the Catholic equivalent of the KJV.

Stay tuned for my posting dissecting some few points of the NAB, as I’m grepping for it on my PC - I wrote an essay on it long ago, when I was more active on these forums and others, in response to the constant queries about it.
 
Thank you all for your responses. I have done a bit of online research on this topic, but your opinions are helpful.

It seems like some people really like the NJB, while others do not. Could anyone give me some pros and cons of this version?

Also, with a D-R, I have heard that the language is a bit difficult sometimes. I am pretty used to KJVs, so I am not sure if this would be an issue anyway.

Right now I think I am leaning toward an RSV-CE for a full length Bible. For a pocket sized NT, I am still pretty unsure.

Also, does anyone know of a reputable online source for buying a Catholic Bible/NT? I have looked on Amazon and and E-bay and they do not have the best selection, especially when it comes to NTs.
If you are used to the KJV, you will no problems at all with the D-R.

The NJB does have some gender inclusive language. although I am not sure.

RSV-CE 2nd Edition is good, you can get it from Ignatius Press or Amazon or you can visit you local Half Price Books - I have found really good deals on old Bibles there.

Good Luck and God Bless you on your journey.

Jose
 
When I was an evangelical Protestant, my main Bible for over 35 years was the extremely accurate (if not clunky) NASB. I still refer to it often since I know it so well and still trust it. I also enjoyed the KJV.

As a convert to the Catholic Church I wanted to use an approved version for my main Bible and the RSV-CE comes the closest to what I need in terms of accuracy and dignity, although it has not been an easy transition for me (I wish they would approve more Protestant versions). I have the large RSV-2CE at home and the compact RSV-CE which I carry in my bag every day in addition to a bunch of Bibles on my Kindle. Since they don’t make the RSV-CE in a pocket version (around 3 X 5 inches) I also have the Confraternity New Testament which I like a lot.

If the ESV ever comes out in a Catholic Edition, I think there will be a lot of people switching over to that. I know I would.

The NAB is a little too smooth and inclusive and makes me uneasy (Jimmy Aiken wrote in an article that it actually made him “cringe”) and the New Jerusalem Bible also tends to go too far in avoiding male references. It may be OK in daily conversation to oddly refer to an individual man in the plural (“they” instead of “he”) to avoid mentioning to his gender or call a man a “human person” for the same reason, but translating the Bible should have stricter standards for accuracy and honesty. Not to mention clarity! Imagine if I told you that a human person was coming to dinner and that they will arrive at 5:00.

The KJV-only people may have some convincing arguments for the Majority Text/Byzantine family of manuscripts as being the earliest and most faithful line, and the D-R-only people may have some convincing arguments that the Latin Vulgate reflects an early line of Greek manuscripts no longer available today, and the Septuagint people may have a convincing argument that the Greek Old Testament reflects an early line of Hebrew manuscripts that predates the Masoretic text, and the Aramaic Primacy people (have you heard of them?) may have convincing arguments that the original New Testament manuscripts were written in Aramaic and can be found in the Peshitta. But I’m not convinced, so I stick with the more popular versions. And most Catholic converts seem to prefer the RSV-CE or RSV-2CE (at least as their approved Catholic Bible).
 
Heh, I’m not KJV-only, but I’m one of those who believes in the superiority of the Byzantine type-text to the modern critical Greek texts, and also in the Septuagint as containing a much earlier recension of the OT than the Codex Leningradensis Masoretic text.

The latter is somewhat easier to demonstrate than the former, as it can be seen from text-critical study alone that the LXX, when it differs, often agrees with the DSS, and not with the MT. The former is impossible to demonstrate from text-critical, historical-critical, and secular presuppositions, as it has to do with God’s preservation of his written word (such as, “Would God allow the Church to use a false Bible since at least the fall of Alexandria to the Saracens, until it was recovered by Wescott and Hort and Tischendorf?”, a textual equivalent to one of the arguments for the Catholic Church, “Would God allow his Church to be false, and the gates of Hell prevail, for 1490 years, until Luther and Calvin recovered it?”).
 
I have a pretty good collection of full length Bibles, as well as pocket sized New Testaments. The full sized Bible that I use the most is an NAB (Copyright 1987 by Thomas Nelson Inc.). I also carry a pocket sized NT with Psalms and Proverbs at all times, which I read quite a bit. It is a Gideon New KJV (Copyright 1982 by Thomas Nelson Inc.). I am pretty satisfied with these two Bibles. I also have several other Bibles/NTs, most of them KJVs (One family Bible from 1839 and another from 1952). I also have a pocket sized NASB and a full length NIV that was given to me recently (I’m not really a fan of the NIV).

I was wondering what version other people are using. What are your preferences and why? What version do you believe tends to be the most accurate? Is their any particular version you would recommend steering away from? I do enjoy comparing various versions on my own, but I would also appreciate anyone’s (name removed by moderator)ut on this issue. I am especially interested in the Douay-Rheims, the RSV (Catholic Version), and the Anglican Bible.
From my view, it would depend on what you want from your bible reading…

If you want to learn then you would go to a study bible… there are a few excellent choices within that…

Plus there are some excellent commentaries and bible study book sets available…

I prefer: William Barclay and his new testament bible study for the best insight of
the culture and laws of the time and places where the church began…

Amazon.com has his whole set and individual books for sale at very low prices…
many less than ten dollars…

If you want to read to be inspired… then you can go to any online bible site and have access to many different bibles, where you can read them and find one which speaks too you with the best means of your perception…

You can find that means at:

biblegateway.com/

There they have a whole list of different bibles for you to read… You pull down a menu and pick the bible you want, and then put in your book name and chapter and read…

I have lived in four different Monasteries in the past forty five years, and I have found all types of bibles being used by different Monks… Each one has a choice as to which bible they preferred.

I read the bible to be inspired to become the person I feel God is calling me to be.
I do not read the bible to attempt to study and understand God’s Truths. So my choice of a bible might not be the same as someone else…

Good Luck…
 
I primarily use the RSV-CE and the NAB. I have both of these as well as a few other Catholic Bibles and several Protestant Bibles on a program called E-Sword. I have a hard copy of both the RSV-CE, NAB, and Confraternity Bible.
 
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