What can Catholics do to stop Governments deporting children with disabilities

[L_Amoneti]

Wow. I don’t even…what motivates a comment like that?

 

[RCIAGraduate]

Unfortunately the US can not let every person, disabled child or not into our country and support them with tax payer money.

The case referenced is in Australia I believe and it’s about one case where life is jeopardized. I do agree it’s a broader issue but why not provide an exemption here?

We could spend more wisely with the vast amount of foreign aid we send to many countries each year, to ensure that money improves the lives of the citizens of those countries.

I think we ought to give foreign aid the benefit of the doubt. Yes, we should be careful about propping up bad governments but some our items, particularly the health expenditures are literally life savers like providing vaccines to prevent deaths from preventable diseases or treating diseases like Malaria and H.I.V.

 

[Theo520]

Wow. I don’t even…what motivates a comment like that?

What level of disability do you think warrants automatic permanent residency?

Should we offer it for ADHD, or just limit it to anyone who needs free medical care.

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

How about missions and corporal support to the area to which they are being returned? I’m don’t have any reason to believe it’s a Catholic’s duty to ensure they remain, just that they be cared for wherever they happen to be.

 

[Theo520]

The case referenced is in Australia I believe and it’s about one case where life is jeopardized. I do agree it’s a broader issue but why not provide an exemption here?

We’ve only read one side to the story, obviously written for emotional appeal. It’s up to the authorities in Australia to evaluate if the travel risk is that severe. Also since we don’t know their legal country of residence, it’s hard to comment on available medical care standards.

 

[RCIAGraduate]

Even if there available medical facilities (and if so, can they access/afford it), I believe the risks state in the petition is that travel will jeopardize health/life; again, why not allow for humanitarian exemptions for cases like these, if it’s for individual cases or a small number of them? Like in the words of another poster, justice balanced with a dash/dose mercy or trying to be fair and support clemency.

 

[Theo520]

Even if there available medical facilities (and if so, can they access/afford it)

Maybe they need to be the champion of change in their home country,
Australians and every other OECD country went through those issues in the past and all to varying degrees did agree to provide the services for their citizens, but not for all of asia.

If it’s a couple of cases it can be overlooked, but I gather it’s not isolated.

 

[RCIAGraduate]

Maybe they need to be the champion of change in their home country,

Is it a bit much to expect one person to change things especially if they’re from a marginalized population? And right now, we’re talking about accepting a few cases like individual exceptions necessary to people’s lives, why not allow for that, isn’t deporting them going too extreme?

 

[Theo520]

Is it a bit much to expect one person to change things especially if they’re from a marginalized population? And right now, we’re talking about accepting a few cases like individual exceptions necessary to people’s lives, why not allow for that, isn’t deporting them going too extreme?

How do you think each social justice issue was addressed in the US or Australia?

It was Rosa Parks who sat at the front of the bus, not a ‘do gooder’ in the UK lecturing the US on segregation. Change always happens locally with someone sparking the fire.

I’m not suggesting that’s justification to deport this person but I do expect the services available in their home country won’t improve until individuals bring it to attention and make it a community priority.

 

[adgloriam]

every other OECD country went through those issues in the past and all to varying degrees did agree to provide the services for their citizens, but not for all of asia.

What they agreed to was for humanitarian reasons to permit not only the sick but a person accompanying them to stay in the countries for free medical care.

Those needing Hemodialysis frequently are caught up in Europe for their entire life since their countries of origin don’t have social stability to provide essential life-saving medical care.

Every year a countless Africans are flown into Europe for free medical care. As should be.

MOST Countries don’t even equate extradition in those cases.

@RCIAGraduate

 

[Theo520]

Hemodialysis

You are confirming dialysis is a free service offered. However, I expect there are limits on what services they will provide with residency, and which they won’t.

 

[adgloriam]

adgloriam:

Hemodialysis

You are confirming dialysis is a free service offered. However, I expect there are limits on what services they will provide with residency, and which they won’t.

My country has no limit on medical asylum if the condition is life threatening and the person under-age, this applies to a total of 6 African countries. Families are welcome to relocate with the child. (It’s not about expelling them, they are invited to move here !!!)

@Rozellelily

 

[Brendan_64]

There seems to be assumptions made on here that the parents entered the country illegally. We do not know that, we only know that their application for permanent residency has been turned down because of their son’s medical condition. I think it us also important to note that the little boy was actually born in Australia.

Is it right to deport a very ill little boy who was born in Australia (and his family) because he is ill? That doesn’t seem right or just to me.

 

[Theo520]

My country has no limit on medical asylum if the condition is life threatening and the person under-age, "

We are both talking about your “IF” statement. I’m sure there is often some disagreement on whether the condition is life threatening or not, on whether the services back home are sufficient to meet needs. I see you also exclude adults? Do you deport them to die at home?

 

[L_Amoneti]

Your assumptions about my point of view are baseless and unwarranted. Please come again.

 

[Theo520]

Your assumptions about my point of view are baseless and unwarranted. Please come again.

I asked you very simple questions, I didn’t make assumptions.
Stop being evasive.

 

[Rozellelily]

@Theo520 @L_Amoneti and all

I would just like to mention that a number of these families being targeted (like the one in my original post and below) have come here legally on work visa.
In a lot of instances they have done all “the right things”.
Ie:they have gone to live and work in regional country areas where there are skill shortages and they have been good and loved members of communities.
It is very likely that they would have been given permanent citizenship if they didn’t “commit the crime” of having a child with a disability.
It is understandable that countries can not grant citizenship to everyone,but picking people off based off survival of fittest/genetic lottery is cruel.

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[Theo520]

I would just like to mention that a number of these families being targeted (like the one in my original post and below) have come here legally on work visa.

If I was Australian, I’d sign the petition.

I believe most of these cases deserve compassion but I don’t agree with making it a rule (loophole). I’ve also lived in such countries and they have competent medical staff that can in most cases be trained to provide care. A physical therapist in Australia isn’t qualified I expect to critique physical therapy in the Maldives.

 

[RCIAGraduate]

You can still sign. Why not as a person?

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

Australian political decisions should be decided by Australians, not random internet mobs.