What can we do to solve environmental problems?

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I had an older gentleman call out to me across the parking lot if I know about all the chemicals they put in the cloth bags, and how it’s actually counterproductive… huh? I looked it up and I believe he was talking about the plastic inserts that some of the early bags I got came with. I thought, buddy, where I come from, no one wastes anything, and this goes for bags. We’ve been using cloth bags for as long as we’ve had farmer’s markets. Sheesh.
 
I had an older gentleman call out to me across the parking lot if I know about all the chemicals they put in the cloth bags, and how it’s actually counterproductive… huh? I looked it up and I believe he was talking about the plastic inserts that some of the early bags I got came with. I thought, buddy, where I come from, no one wastes anything, and this goes for bags. We’ve been using cloth bags for as long as we’ve had farmer’s markets. Sheesh.
It’s amazing how anti-enviornmentalists are so quick in coming up with problems re each and every enviornmental solution out there.

Like windpower killing birds…which I later found out is only a teeny-tiny fraction of human-tech-caused (non-hunting) bird kills in the U.S. and even a smaller fraction of cat-caused bird kills (our cat killed and ate a pheasant once…and out of hunting season, no less 😦 – we still have the beautiful tail feathers). Not to mention they are working to come up with solutions to reduce wind-generator bird kills – which is more than I can say for those naysayers who suddenly got environmental religion about saving the birds.

Not to mention global warming is expected to make some 30% of bird species extinct within a 100 years or so.

I my view, it’s really all for the birds. 🙂
 
And who might those “many environmentalists” be who are against good stewardship in the way the Church says we should be? I’ve never really met one, tho people claim they are legion.
They are legion. The issue here is not whether or not they exist, but the recognition of their existence.
 
They are legion. The issue here is not whether or not they exist, but the recognition of their existence.
Just as long as the existence of these unchurched environmentalists doesn’t dissuade good Catholics from doing their part to solve enviro problems…

I guess the reason I don’t know much about them is (1) I’ve mainly been involved in Catholic and interfaith environmental orgs, in which the people were squarely into Christian ideals (it is their Christianity that underlies their environmentalism), and (2) the other environmentalists I work with are honed into working on solutions, and we just don’t talk about our religious and ideological beliefs much. I guess I just assume they have some sense of morality that underlies their works, bec it becomes clear to me they are working to save the earth for future generations and reduce our harms to the earth (whether or not they call it God’s creation). They have a strong sense of caring (and frustration that others do not care).

However, a strange thing happened. When our priest said he wanted do a short TV spot on environmentalism for the local channel, and that he also needed a Spanish speaker (since he does the program in English, then in Spanish), I set out to look for one. He also wanted the speaker to be a Mass-attending Catholic (perhaps bec he was afraid of those environmental ideas that go against Church teachings).

I’m adviser for the Environmental Awarness Club on my campus and nearly all members are Hispanic (so I assumed many would be Mass-attending Catholics), so I put the word out to them, since there are not really many environmentalists in our area – like trying to find a needle in a haystack. In fact, in a 20,000 student campus, there are only some 20 members of that club.

It turned out one or two were Mass-attending, but they said they felt they didn’t speak Spanish well enough, so I ended up getting one who was reared Catholic, but was not Mass-attending.

So I guess I’m the only Mass-attending Catholic environmentalist in our area. Even up north in my 2000-family IL parish, there were only about 8 members of our parish environmental committee.

I think there is tremendous opportunity for the Catholic Church to get onto issues like environmentalism (sticking well within Church teachings), so as to attract the youth back. I think they see the Church as not completely committed to righteousness, but backing away from many serious moral issues of our day, of not speaking to them and their concerns. I know the Church is good on the abortion issue and a few others, but that does not mean we cannot also be engaged with other moral issues, especially working to maintain a viable environment for the youth and their progeny.

I feel the Church really doesn’t show it cares for the youth and their future. The popes and bishops are wonderful on environmentalism – it is the laity and their lackadaisical stance on environmental issues, their refusal to follow or promote the environmental messages of BXVI and JPII (both of whom really connect to the youth very well).

So instead of focusing on and crying about environmentalists who are not Catholic (tho we can hope at least most are doing some good or other by reducing their harm to future generations, even if their ideologies don’t jive with ours), we need to increase Catholics who are environmentalists and follow our Holy Fathers’ messages. Follow Jesus – who helped and cured people, not harmed them.
 
Lynnvinc - I agree that many people just don’t seem to care, and it is so frustrating. I was called the “recycling queen” in my office in my old job bc until we finally got recycling containers in the office (long and arduous process), I would collect the paper, plastic, and cans from our (small) office and take them home to recycle. It physically hurts me to see a recylable item in the trash, and I do dig in the trash when I see it. I don’t go looking for it, but if I see it, I can’t pass by without correcting the problem!
I was surprised when the trash collector told me I am an excellent recycler. I guess I am, compared to others in my community. One of my neighbors was taking medical waste (syringes, lancets, and other materials) and burying them in a national forest. All he had to do was get a yellow or orange detergent container and put them in there. I offered to give him some containers. I have a feeling that he is still burying that stuff off somewhere and if I find out he is, I’m going to report him because it’s illegal, very bad for the environment, and it’s also obnoxious.
LittleSoldier - Yes! I did realize that I must use hot water for my dog’s blankets and the like. I’m not usually one to share the mellow-yellow/flush the brown attitude, but ever since I first read about it, I’ve incorporated it at home and thank God my husband is on board with it. The only challenge is making sure we’re all “in the clear” when guests come over!
That is a problem, isn’t it? 😃
When we let our dogs out in the backyard, we do have cleanup days and I too have found this to clog the toilet. What I do is pace myself, limiting how much I flush at a time. I have no suggestions for cats and cat litter, unfortunately. Unless maybe composting in a flower garden?
Maybe or perhaps I could sell it. I’ve learned that when I put some in the garbage can, the bears, raccoons, and coyotes tend to leave it alone. It is a very serious problem where I live. We can’t set our trash cans out the night before because of the animals. And for some reason the bears enjoy taking someone else’s garbage and dragging it over to my front yard in order to dine.

I toss the dog “leavings” over the fence into the forest. Since I’ve been doing that, the plants have been growing like crazy and it’s beautiful.
Possible TMI, especially for men…Also, feminine hygiene products are available that do not end up in landfills. There’s cloth pads/liners, but there’s also menstrual cups that are worn like a tampon but emptied out and washed regularly.
Re your TMI? 😃 I worked for a county health department and during my training a group of us were taken to a water treatment facility. There was a HUGE area filled with large white “somethings” and the trainer asked us if any of us knew what those things were. I knew but I was too embarrassed to say. Yes, they were tampons. Clean tampons, but still tampons. I believe they are carted off in trucks to be buried in a landfill. And what goes on top of a landfill (at least in California) is parks. It makes me feel kinda eeewwww…
 
Hi LittleSoldier. Good to see you here.

There are dust mite treaments using tea tree oil I think, and I’m not sure but I think you can use that and wash in cold or warm, and effectively get rid of dust mites, but I’m not sure about other bed bugs or pet blanket issues.

Also re clothes line issue. It is way too hot and sunny for outside here, so I have an indoor foldable clothes rack. My husband wants his dried in the dryer, so I dry mine on the rack & on hangers in the laundry room and his in the dryer – using 4 of those dryer balls. Also it helps to shake out the clothes before putting them in the dryer to dry them faster.
I have a foldable clothes rack on my Amazon wish list but for some reason nobody ever buys it for me. I guess I’ll have to get it myself. I haven’t been shaking out the clothes but I will from now on. That makes sense. Thank you.

And I’ll check into tea tree oil treatments. I even have some tee tree oil! 🙂

It is good to be here. There is so much we can do. 🙂
 
The first insult to me came as a joke in the early 90s – my neighbor (member of my parish) showed me a cartoon about a girl telling another girl that the environment is her religion – my neighbor was laughing but I wasn’t.

And another neighbor also in our parish – after I had talked about electric vehicles back in the early 90s, and how they could reduce our ICE emissions & help save lives – she said, “Where is God in this?” I had to carefully explain again that by reducing our harm and killing of people we are pleasing God, and that all my environmentalism is for doing God’s will (reducing harm). I don’t think it really sank in and I don’t think she got it, even tho we had been working together on the anti-abortion efforts and she clearly understood that reducing the killing babies was God’s will and part of our duty.

Then later in recent decades came accusations of environmentalists being earth worshippers, etc. I don’t know of any environmentalists who are earth-worshippers and I’m worried about the slander they are engaged in. I have always been a Christian and never worshipped the earth, tho I appreciate all the many and various blessings God has granted us, and think it is wrong to harm people whatever way we may be engaged in harming.
I’m participating in a thread on an unmoderated forum (youtube). One of the Catholics who is posting comments there has been mocked and attacked because of his views on nature. He is not a left-wing environmentalist; in fact, the only thing he has said is that he likes St. Francis of Assisi, looks upon him as sort of a mentor, and considers himself to be a “secular Franciscan monk.” I was shocked to see that he was being called a “brother elk lover” and “sister tick lover” and other things like that. I tried to explain that we can see God in His creations. I didn’t even get to the part about our responsibility to foster the earth before I was attacked and mocked, too.

But then, the person who is attacking us hates Catholics anyway. 😦
 
Collect the waste and put it in a composter - but make sure to use this one just for waste and nothing else, not your veg scraps - to let it part compost and allow the heat to kill off any meds residue such as the worming tabs you may will have given your cat.

Once the waste is heated up sufficiently and part composted, simply put it into a vermicomposting bin - but again, one that you’re only going to use for poo and nothing else.

Not only do you kill off any bugs in the poo and any meds residue but by precomposting it the worm bin won’t get too hot when you feed it to them.

The worms will love it, and the castings they produce will be the best compost you’ll ever have.

A word of warning though - it’s best to use this composted cat waste just for non fruit trees and bushes and so on, and not on your veg patch or flower patch.

This is just a precaution.

We’ve been composting our pets poo since forever using worms.

All our horse manure is also composted in a similar manner but in much bigger ground based vermicomposting beds.

If you don’t know about vermicomposting there is a ton of free information on the net and if you need any help, just ask.

I’m not going to be around much over the next three weeks as we’re incredibly busy right now but I’ll reply when I can, or I’m sure there are other experts here only to happy to help.

Vermicomposting is awesome - the worms will eat just about anything - we’ve even composted old clothes and leather shoes that were not fit to be donated elsewhere.

And you will never buy commercial compost as good as the vermicompost you produce yourself.

Sarah x 🙂
Thank you! I suppose there is an initial cost, but it would be worth it. That will be on my list of things to do. But is there a problem with the litter itself?
 
Reusing paper.

One of the things I do – being an academic using reams and reams of paper – is collect used paper from the university library, on which one side is blank. In the process of sifting thru their recycling bins, I also find some really good paper – blank on both sides (which I keep separately for formal use).

The only problem I’ve found is that some work-study students will copy both sides of the resued paper (on which I have printed out some handout), and waste even more paper (if I specify double-sided, indicating 1-to-2 sided), so I have to put a big X on the wrong side, and print “Do Not Copy This Side.”

Years ago our library was using “separator sheets” – and extra piece of paper between student print jobs. They finally did away with that AND introduced a double-sided print-out option, so I have to sift a lot more carefully…but I feel happy many students are opting for double-sided.

I’m not suggesting people drive out of their way to go to a library, but if they happen to pass by one or go to one, they might want to check out (and ask permission) getting used paper for their reuse.
 
Reusing paper.

One of the things I do – being an academic using reams and reams of paper – is collect used paper from the university library, on which one side is blank. In the process of sifting thru their recycling bins, I also find some really good paper – blank on both sides (which I keep separately for formal use).

The only problem I’ve found is that some work-study students will copy both sides of the resued paper (on which I have printed out some handout), and waste even more paper (if I specify double-sided, indicating 1-to-2 sided), so I have to put a big X on the wrong side, and print “Do Not Copy This Side.”

Years ago our library was using “separator sheets” – and extra piece of paper between student print jobs. They finally did away with that AND introduced a double-sided print-out option, so I have to sift a lot more carefully…but I feel happy many students are opting for double-sided.

I’m not suggesting people drive out of their way to go to a library, but if they happen to pass by one or go to one, they might want to check out (and ask permission) getting used paper for their reuse.
This is great. I cannot comprehend why some people start to take notes on a sheet of paper and then when they make a mistake, they crumple the entire sheet and start over. This is notes, not a formal letter, for crying out loud!

I’ve started specifically asking my students to print their essays double-sided, but unfortunately, this means that some of them will print it out one sided and then copy it to make it double sided, completely missing the point. So if they say they don’t know how to print it double sided, I say not to worry about it.
 
They are legion. The issue here is not whether or not they exist, but the recognition of their existence.
Come to think about it, I am aware of at least one more environmentalist who goes against Catholic principles. It came to me yesterday. I don’t really know the person face-to-face, but only thru the internet.

Some 5 years ago he was advocating a revolution to bring the world into compliance with solving environmental problems that are endangering lives of people and nature. That really turned me off – as did the war in Iraq. (I’d like to be a pacifist…tho if push comes to shove I don’t know if I have the right stuff.) Not only that, but like where is the army??? There aren’t a whole lot of environmentalists out there to pull it off, even if they were will and armed to the teeth. The patriots movement in the U.S. would have a better chance of toppling the U.S. Gov.

Now, to be fair it may not totally go against Catholic teachings, since Catholicism allows for a “just war” using “proportionality,” and it would be well within proportionality to wage an eco-war in which, say, 10,000 die, in order to save 7 billion people (or even save 1 billion people) — the env harms we are causing now will be playing out and killing people for 1000s of years…so no telling how may lives would be saved by mounting an eco-war and ushering in true environmentalism and eco-justice where everyone works to reduce their harm and maintain a viable world for future generations.

It’s just that I’m a pacifist, and while his idea may not (or may) go against Catholic teaching, it does go against my ideals…and against those of Jesus, who taught us to turn the other cheek.

Besides, people, esp Americans, respond negatively to force and may even do the opposite just out of spite – trash to earth (that is, trash it even faster and more ferociously).

Anyway, the reason I thought of that man is bec yesterday I happened to see something he wrote by way of environmental solutions:

We must love one another.

That is precisely the solution BXVI calls for when he says that first we need human ecology before we can address environmental issues. It’s like this: people who are unloved and mistreated will more likely mistreat the earth and disregard the impacts on their fellow humans – the “cycle of abuse” theory. Or in the airplane they tell us first to put the oxygen mask on ourselves, then on our child. That’s bec a person who is not in good condition will be of no help to others, and both will perish. Same way we need to love each other and help promote psycholocially healthy, caring, and good people who are eager to care for others, and they will then do environmnetally correct things to maintain a viable world for others.

So it seems that even tho this man is not a Catholic, and probably doesn’t know about BXVI’s writings, he eventually came around to understanding the “Catholic way.” That may be true for many non-Catholic, intelligent and thoughtful environmentalists who sincerely care – they eventually come around to understanding the Catholic way, despite being unaware of it.
 
I don’t understand how some Catholics can be so pro life, yet only for abortion. To be truly pro life I think you have to love all life, and respect all life. Why do so many conservative catholics think that environmentalism is some pagan worship thing. Is is wrong to protect our Earth that God has given us. I don’t think it is that hard to see that wears absolutely killing our planet, even if you don’t believe in Global Warming, it is pretty easy to see all of the other terrible things that we are doing. Why? Because we have lost the sense that the earth is a gift and we are it’s stewards. We can use it, but we can’t abuse it.

Anyone that supports the Keystone Pipeline is no more pro life than an abortion supporter. The tarsand oil is killing people, not to mention creating lakes of poison sludge that can be seen from space. Or someone that supports mountain top removal, or fracking,how are those pro life. If we Are we so greedy that we say that money is worth more than our mother earth, than we have truly lost sight of the message of the gospels.
All of us environmentalists don’t worship nature, but we can see that Creation is indeed good and we can learn the ways of God and praise him through all of his creatures.
 
CatholicTimmy, reading your post made me think of a parallel. Many Catholics do seem to think that environmentalists “worship” nature (thus calling us “neopagans” and the like), much like many Protestants think that Catholics “worship” Mary and the saints (thus calling us idolaters and non-Christians). Kind of ironic how neither is true and leads to missing an important aspect of the Gospel.
 
Another thing about this “neo-pagan” thing – aside from the fact that 97% of people who become neopagan do NOT do so because of environmental concerns – is that most environmentalists are well educated, or at least they paid some attention in HS and college science courses and have some scientific understanding of the world.

It seems absolutely ludicrous that all, most, or even a large portion of enviornmentalists actually believe that the earth, trees, etc are anthropomorphic deities who can get angry if we harm them, etc., and take revenge by causing hurricanes, etc, to wipe us out, and therefore they need to be propitiated – like doing sacrifices, or something…or that such ritual sacrifices or prayers to the nature spirits would be the way to solve enviornmental problems.

Quite frankly I don’t know ANY enviornmentalist who has that view, tho there could be a few, but since environmentalists are such a small portion of the population & are hardly to be seen anywhere, it would be nearly impossible to find a neo-pagan environmentalist.

However, over the past 25 years I have met a few neopagans and one pagan (she claims her family history of paganism goes back many centuries, and they talk of the horrible brutality from Christians against them – and I sincerely hope Christians don’t again get into burning witches at the stake, etc…think of all the GHG emissions). None of them appeared to be any more concerned about environmental issues than a typical person. Or, the topic of enviornmental issues didn’t even come up, and you’d think if they were so zonked into environmental issues, they’d bring it up.

If environmentalists per chance use the term “mother earth,” I can assure those champing at the bit to burn them at the stake, that they are only speaking figuratively. They do not actually believe there is a Gaia that will be happy if we do the EC things, or get angry and punish us if we do not. Tho they do understand (from a scientific perspective) that our environmental harms can harm people and others of God’s creatures. And they do not think worshipping the earth really helps solve environmental problems – though turning off lights not in use and the engine when going thru drive-thrus can be helpful.
 
Another thing about this “neo-pagan” thing – aside from the fact that 97% of people who become neopagan do NOT do so because of environmental concerns – is that most environmentalists are well educated, or at least they paid some attention in HS and college science courses and have some scientific understanding of the world.

It seems absolutely ludicrous that all, most, or even a large portion of enviornmentalists actually believe that the earth, trees, etc are anthropomorphic deities who can get angry if we harm them, etc., and take revenge by causing hurricanes, etc, to wipe us out, and therefore they need to be propitiated – like doing sacrifices, or something…or that such ritual sacrifices or prayers to the nature spirits would be the way to solve enviornmental problems.

Quite frankly I don’t know ANY enviornmentalist who has that view, tho there could be a few, but since environmentalists are such a small portion of the population & are hardly to be seen anywhere, it would be nearly impossible to find a neo-pagan environmentalist.

However, over the past 25 years I have met a few neopagans and one pagan (she claims her family history of paganism goes back many centuries, and they talk of the horrible brutality from Christians against them – and I sincerely hope Christians don’t again get into burning witches at the stake, etc…think of all the GHG emissions). None of them appeared to be any more concerned about environmental issues than a typical person. Or, the topic of enviornmental issues didn’t even come up, and you’d think if they were so zonked into environmental issues, they’d bring it up.

If environmentalists per chance use the term “mother earth,” I can assure those champing at the bit to burn them at the stake, that they are only speaking figuratively. They do not actually believe there is a Gaia that will be happy if we do the EC things, or get angry and punish us if we do not. Tho they do understand (from a scientific perspective) that our environmental harms can harm people and others of God’s creatures. And they do not think worshipping the earth really helps solve environmental problems – though turning off lights not in use and the engine when going thru drive-thrus can be helpful.
I completly agree with you, I know lot’s of environmentalists and naturalists, not one is some pagan earth worshiper, they just respect the earth and want to preserve it for future generations.

I think St. Francis called the earth his mother, he also referered to all of creation as brothers and sisters, because we all the creation of God.
 
I know the below mentioned good deeds are extremely tiny, just a drop in the ocean, but as Mother Teresa would say, our love makes them infinite, and St. Therese teaches us the “Little Way.”
I couldn’t agree more. Nothing God has ever given us is ours to use and abuse without thought. We are to care for the Earth, one of the most amazing gifts he ever gave us. I firmly believe that everything we need is here naturally and that we will answer for literally dumping our waste into our oceans, hunting his creatures to extinction and not caring enough to make good use of the natural ways we can obtain energy without polluting and destroying everything around us.

We HAVE the technology, I am sick of the greed preventing progress and halting the cleanup.
 
I think people who consider themselves environmentalists need to consider, and perhaps declare, how they propose to help the environment concretely, rather than in vague generalities. Some posters here do that, but some rail against things like fracking without ever stating just how far they are willing to push society in order to prevent it.

Not all environmentalists are the same. Some do those small things like avoid plastic when possible and turning off lights when leaving a room. Those are personal choices, and people are to be commended for doing them, whether I or someone else thinks they make much difference or not.

But many environmentalists have coercive intent. “I will MAKE you do without this or that.” That attitude, I think, is what makes many people contemptuous of environmentalism, perhaps more broadly than they should.

Take, for example, Obama’s declaration that he would “break” the coal industry and make utility rates “skyrocket”, all in the name of environmentalism. Well, the coal industry has a lot of jobs, and the poor would like to be warm and refrigerate their food too. But these totalitarian-sounding declarations bespeak an obliviousness to human needs. The whole world can’t be nature parks. There are limits to how “environmentally friendly” we can be without making life miserable or impossible for people. Taken to its extreme, radical environmentalism means “no people” because human activity inevitably alters the environment from what it would be in our absence.

So, there’s a poison seed in the center of the environmental apple, and if environmentalists want a wider acceptance of their views, this needs to be recognized and people need to be assured that they’re not willing to bite all the way down to the seed.
 
I think people who consider themselves environmentalists need to consider, and perhaps declare, how they propose to help the environment concretely, rather than in vague generalities. Some posters here do that, but some rail against things like fracking without ever stating just how far they are willing to push society in order to prevent it.
Just showed the film GASLAND to my Environmental Crime & Justice students last night. I’d seen it 2 times before, but something really snapped in me and I was very much affected by the sufferings and environmental health problems so many people face from fracking (not just that it involves perhaps more GHG emissions than even coal-burning–see below*). They use some 596 chemicals in the 7 million gallons of water they pump in the fracking process, like benzene, etc. – known carcinogens and toxins.

It is so wrong to do that to people. They keep saying there are safe methods, but we pretty much know those will rarely or spottily be employed since it costs more and Bush made it perfectly legal to pollute ground and drinking water from fracking (and other oil and gas operations) in 2005.

It may be legal, but it is surely a sin, and we who use energy or products involving fracking (which increasing means everyone) are also part of those harms. Of course it is sad to see the animals that are harmed by it, and the ranchers and farmer cannot really haul in unpolluted water for their animals and crops, the way the have to do for their families, but is it exceedingly terrible to see the impacts on the people.

If a person’s heart is not crying out on this issue, then there is something wrong with that person – some desensitivity to the sufferings of others.

Then just today I read that there is not only not enough studies on the health impacts of fracking, but it seems purposely companies and people don’t want it studied and brought to light: climateark.org/shared/reader/print.aspx?linkid=288009

I know, Ridgrunner, that you live on a rural ranch/farm. You really need to see that film.
Not all environmentalists are the same. Some do those small things like avoid plastic when possible and turning off lights when leaving a room. Those are personal choices, and people are to be commended for doing them, whether I or someone else thinks they make much difference or not.
But many environmentalists have coercive intent. “I will MAKE you do without this or that.” That attitude, I think, is what makes many people contemptuous of environmentalism, perhaps more broadly than they should.
Take, for example, Obama’s declaration that he would “break” the coal industry and make utility rates “skyrocket”, all in the name of environmentalism.
Do you have a source for that. It’s sort of hard to believe Obama would have said something like that – he appears to me to be a person who is very circumspect in his speech. Maybe Biden?
Well, the coal industry has a lot of jobs, and the poor would like to be warm and refrigerate their food too. But these totalitarian-sounding declarations bespeak an obliviousness to human needs. The whole world can’t be nature parks. There are limits to how “environmentally friendly” we can be without making life miserable or impossible for people. Taken to its extreme, radical environmentalism means “no people” because human activity inevitably alters the environment from what it would be in our absence.
So, there’s a poison seed in the center of the environmental apple, and if environmentalists want a wider acceptance of their views, this needs to be recognized and people need to be assured that they’re not willing to bite all the way down to the seed.
I think most environmentalists understand the issues that we are sort of caught up or entangled in structures of environmental harm, and it will take a lot of work and nearly everyone participating voluntarily (or to some mild, market-based pressures) to put us on the right track, and that inflamed rhetoric (even tho environmentalists may be screaming on the inside) only turns people off. That it will take a combination of government actions at all levels (local, county, state, national, internation) and in various creative ways that make it doable and acceptable for people, as well as actions at home, at work, in businesses, in our churches and schools, etc.

I think most enviornmentalists who have actually enacted various environmental measures to reduce harms are very much aware there is a plethora of environmental strategies that can not only reduce our harms by half or 75% or more without lowering productivity or living standards, and strenthening our pocket-books and the economy at the same time.

And that’s just with current technology. Hopefully if there is some incentive for more environmentally better tech, then that will be forthcoming in future years, probably well before we even implement currently available measures.

It just depends on what we want – a dying world for the kids and the poor around the world, or something viable and good for them.

Nearly every environmentalist I know grasps these issues in that way.

 
An article of the earlier week, of JUN, before the 22nd had a special report about The Arctic: the last sentence concluded one article by saying, The Arctic has become the symbol of The Age of Man. What started me thinking is the contention between countries on the issue, that the two countries, which will not go to war, but among whom the greatest geo-strategic stakes exist, Canada, and The U.S., recognizing superficially this abrupt conflict; I started wondering: how might opinions change on this issue? Of course, the key to this issue in my opinion, that became clear through the article is this: the ordinary course of nature, throughout The Arctic, hasn’t really changed, but sea ice, and glaciers, have melted more rapidly than even the most extreme predictions: were this a natural occurrence, then where is the natural phenomenon to explain such a dramatic melting of The Polar Ice Cap? The explanation of course, gases from man’s activities, which blow with the wind, and drive in part, the ocean’s currents, end up at one time or another at The North Pole, they become trapped, and warm The Polar Ice Cap. As The Polar Ice Cap melts, and glaciers melt, land becomes available to soak in the heat, and the darkness of water, increased without the reflectivity of ice, stores more, and more, and still, more heat. The key to the contention; seems to be, that irregardless of what good, all our efforts to conserve, and mitigate our damage to The Polar Ice Cap, at some point there is no return: decreasing greenhouse gases at some point, may not restore The Polar Ice Cap to previously observed norms., but this leaves us with the economic stakes, like oil, and gas, and gold, silver, and nickel. Not all of this belongs to The U.S., but what little I recall of it, belongs to Canada, and still there is Greenland, and Denmark. The thing is this as well: The Polar Ice Cap may be close to the point of no return, but to further the mechanisms of The Age of Man, to bring the same effect on Antarctica, … well, I leave you to your own conclusions. As a Californian, limiting fossil fuels burned is one thing I can do to mitigate the change. (The article was in the periodical, “The Economist” around page 52.)
 
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