What can we learn from Ireland's massive vote for abortion?

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The Irish voters by a large two thirds majority voted for abortion in a recent referendum.

How did this happen? There are several partial explanations including clerical sex abuse, international media, general secularism, good well-funded campaign for abortion, media and government support and bad education in Catholic schools.

Also what can be done? Do we write off Irish Catholicism.

Is abortion the litmus test of Catholicism, Do we have other values? Should we focus on social justice? Should we boldly fight the enemy knowing everyone is wrong except us?

Should we remember the famous words of Richard Gregory Tuck “The people have spoken, the b…ds”, and accept the democratic vote of the Irish people and give up or enter into bitter confrontation with most of our fellow citizens?
 
I see the vote as a rejection of Catholic values. As far as I’m concerned, it was the finishing blow that destroyed Ireland’s beautiful status as a Catholic nation. It destroyed my romantic notions of a truly Catholic Ireland unspoiled by the evils of the modern world. This Englishman was very saddened to learn that his ideas of Ireland were a fantasy. Ireland has fallen from grace.
 
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I haven’t followed it closely.

When the people voted to legalize abortion, what does that mean exactly? Abortion in all circumstances? Abortion in the first few weeks? Abortion including third trimester?

I ask this because I could see how someone may largely reject abortion and consider it a grave moral evil, and yet still think that a total ban is not ultimately good. This may not be the Catholic ideal, but I don’t have enough info to say that Ireland is no longer Catholic simply because it voted to allow abortion… So again, what does it mean to allow abortion now?
 
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I think Catholics and all conservative/traditional minded people need to learn how to become activists. Conservative/traditionalists usually just want to work hard, raise a family, and don’t notice that the far-Left is gradually wittling away at obstacles. Then we wake up one day with the rug pulled from under our feet and wonder how it all happened.

Also, the Church needs to clean house and really work on PR because her enemies will exploit any and every mistake its members and higher ups have made. We must both acknowledge our mistakes and work to prevent the same mistakes in the future AND be unapologetically Catholic.
 
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Also what can be done?
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Our first task is for all Catholics to answer the call to holiness by our better co-operating with what the Holy Spirit seeks to achieve in us .

We can do what we can for the Church in Ireland , praying for an increase in numbers and in zeal .

We can use what the Lord desires us to use…prayer and fasting .

We can abstain from knee-jerk reactions , judgemental attitudes , negative speech ( especially on forums ) , listening to people even when we don’t agree with them , etc.
 
I heard a lot about why Trump won the election - it was voter turn out.

My guess, is a lot of older Catholics - sure they yapped about it at church, before mass -
but they stayed at home - they didn’t bother -
maybe the weather was raining that day - or too crowded, no parking - etc.
 
Rob2 said:
We can use what the Lord desires us to use…prayer and fasting .
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If I remember correctly, Benedict XVI recommended this solution in his letter to Ireland. Although addressed to Ireland, it contains good advice for all of us. As Catholics, we all have to do our part to stop the silent apostasy.
 
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Rob2:
We can use what the Lord desires us to use…prayer and fasting .
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If I remember correctly, Benedict XVI recommended this solution in his letter to Ireland. Although addressed to Ireland, it contains good advice for all of us. As Catholics, we all have to do our part to stop the silent apostasy.
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Yes it was in part of his letter…Pastoral Letter of His Holiness Benedict XVI to the Catholics of Ireland (March 19, 2010) | BENEDICT XVI
 
I don’t understand people’s attitude of 'do we write off Ireland" .That attitude is totally uncatholic.
 
NoelFitz said:
The Irish voters by a large two thirds majority voted for abortion in a recent referendum.

How did this happen? There are several partial explanations including clerical sex abuse, international media, general secularism, good well-funded campaign for abortion, media and government support and bad education in Catholic schools.

Also what can be done? Do we write off Irish Catholicism.

Is abortion the litmus test of Catholicism, Do we have other values? Should we focus on social justice? Should we boldly fight the enemy knowing everyone is wrong except us?

Should we remember the famous words of Richard Gregory Tuck “The people have spoken, the b…ds”, and accept the democratic vote of the Irish people and give up or enter into bitter confrontation with most of our fellow citizens?
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Actions good and bad, have consequences good and bad. We don’t live in a consequence free life.

For one to vote for abortion, when they could have voted NO to abortion and yes to life, is then to put their own skin in that horrible action. They are now as guilty of all abortions, as a result of their yes vote, as if they personally drove all the woman to the clinic who go there for an abortion… Potentially into the future, millions of murdered souls will be on their soul.
 
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We are called to be Christ like,and Jesus never gives up on us.
 
I guess what I,we can learn is to think over how much we are aware of what Catholics face in other countries other than our own.
How much did we pray and offer up over the years for Ireland’s people?Did we pray from the heart with all our might?Did we support right to life financially?
I am guilty of being wrapped up in my own life and not praying properly where prayer is desperately needed.Feeling detached because a nation is so far away,enough troubles here to concentrate on.But that’s not how it should be…we have a responsibility and now the means more than ever with the Internet to be up to date and informed of what is going on on the other side of the world.
From the ruins good things emerge.Ever seen a bushfire go through and beautiful new growth come?Often there are plants and saplings that spring up that haven’t been seen in that area for many many years,but the seed has stayed dormant waiting.
Praying for good to come from the bad.
A little saying worth remembering “Don’t let the bad spread” when something terrible or bad happens ,we don’t add to it.In this case we don’t give up on people and praying.

Edit 🙂 Sorry for the blocky post,my iPad likes to rearrange my type.
 
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Do we give up on family if they were to have an abortion? I doubt it Steve-b. God bless.
 
I learned that Western Civilization continues to fall at an alarming rate.

Except that I already knew this, so I guess I didn’t learn a thing.

But my heart is saddened.
 
Greenfields said:
Do we give up on family if they were to have an abortion? I doubt it Steve-b. God bless.
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You didn’t open the links. It’s in Jesus own words that I quoted. Are you going to lecture Jesus on what He said?
 
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Hi Steve,I don’t need to open the links to know what my parents taught me of Jesus teachings is correct.
Your country,mine and many more would be ‘written off’ if I were to go along with your thinking .
 
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Hi Steve,I don’t need to open the links to know what my parents taught me of Jesus teachings is correct.
Your country,mine and many more would be ‘written off’ if I were to go along with your thinking .
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It appears you missed the point. Here’s my post again

I’m quoting the Jesus who is there. Not a Jesus of my own making.
 
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Thanks, I read your links 🙂
You do believe in confession and reparation ?
 
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