What Changes Would You Make To The NO Mass ?

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Traditional English language use. A translation of the Latin perhaps. But I would be happy if:

“Many” instead of “All”

“Lord I am not worthy that thou shouldst come under my roof, by speak the word only and my soul shall be healed”

“Peace be with you”. “And unto they spirit”

You get the idea.

Chant and traditional hymns only - though I would prefer just chant. and the priest not facing the congregation during the consecration.

As for Latin - honestly I could care less if the Mass is done with reverence and tradtional English and terms. I have know enough people grow up in Greek Orthodox churches where Koine Greek is used for me to know that I want my children to hear the words of the Mass in beauty, but also in their own language. When they are older latin is fine. But liturgy is faith formation, understanding it helps a great deal. I prefer the latin mass to a folk NO, but I think there is honestly a better option that both. Latin offered but English as the norm for most Masses (with the specs I mentioned above) would be my ideal.

Mel
 
BobP123 said:
I don’t either. I said that in jest as someone called the “extra” Confiteor before people’s communion an abuse of the 1962 Missal.
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I don’t see anything wrong with the “extra” Confiteor either.
 
Note: This post might get longwinded.

Linguistic changes:

A thorough revision of the English translation to make it conform to the Latin, including translations such as ‘And with your spirit’
‘For many’ or ‘For the many’ or ‘For the multitude’

Changes in the Mass:

-Ad Orientem position to be obligatory

-Cassocks and Surplices for Servers (yes, I know that Servers wore Albs in the Dominican Rite or the Sarum Rite, but this is the Roman Rite, isn’t it?)

-Making the Amice and the Maniple once again obligatory as Sacerdotal Vestments

-Use of Plainchant

-Starting the Mass and saying the Greeting and the Confiteor (which preferably, would be like that of the EF) at the foot of the Altar, then after the Confiteor the Priest says the ‘Aufer a Nobis’ silently as he goes up the Altar and upon reaching it, starts the Kyrie

-Fixing the text of the Prayers of the Faithful into a standard form; perhaps we can have inspiration from the Divine Liturgy or from the Ambrosian Rite (they recite a litany resembling it in place of the Gloria during Lent), or just do away with it altogether

-Reintroducing some or all of the Offertory prayers (for example, the Deus qui humanae substantiae)

-Saying parts of the Canon silently/in Latin and if possible, making Eucharistic Prayer I (The Roman Canon) the standard form to be used

-Making the Priest join his fingers again after handling the Host

-Reintroducing Communion Rails and receiving the Lord by the hand (many of us are not ordained Dominican friars that we can take the Lord’s Body into our hands, we are laymen)

-Reciting the St. Michael Prayer as a sort of Extra-Liturgical function after Mass

Of course, just my two cents.
 
Just tonight, for the first time that I can remember, the dismissal hymn was “America the Beautiful.” How secular can you get?

Now that song is Ok at high school or rallies of one sort or another but…at Mass? :confused:
 
I would remove the Novus, and everything that is contingent upon it.

Abrogate it.

But that’s just me. 🤷
 
havemercy said:
I would remove the Novus, and everything that is contingent upon it.

Abrogate it.

But that’s just me. 🤷
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I agree. I accept that the Novus Ordo is valid, but, in my opinion, when compared with the TLM, it waters down too much of the Faith.
 
I_Believe said:
Assuming the NO is here to stay for now as the Pope has indicated, what changes, if any, would you make if you were in a position to do so ?

One I would make is to forbid anouncements during the collection.
My parish priests say the NO with reverence, but during the collection, the lectors make anouncements from the bulletin. I’ve noticed it at other NO parishes as well. I feel it takes the faithfuls’ attention away from the mass itself.
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Abolish it completely and start from scratch.

Give the task for reform to the SSPX to do what Vatican Council II intended on the Sacred Liturgy. What we have now is NOT what Vatican II intended and one reason for the SSPX schism.

Ken
 
johnstown_johnn said:
Just tonight, for the first time that I can remember, the dismissal hymn was “America the Beautiful.” How secular can you get?

Now that song is Ok at high school or rallies of one sort or another but…at Mass? :confused:
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I do not have a problem with “America the Beautiful” as the recessional hymn. The Mass is over at that point, and the song does mention God. It is appropriate because of Veterans’ Day. It is appropriate to honour the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice for our country so that we have the freedom to worship God.
 
lak611 said:
I do not have a problem with “America the Beautiful” as the recessional hymn. The Mass is over at that point, and the song does mention God. It is appropriate because of Veterans’ Day. It is appropriate to honour the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice for our country so that we have the freedom to worship God.
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I don’t disagree with you about its being used as a hymn, if that’s what its intent is.

By the same token, would you consider the 4th verse of the Star Spangled Banner appropriate as a hymn?
O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their lov’d homes and the war’s desolation;
Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land
Praise the Pow’r that hath made and preserv’d us as a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause. it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
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It, together with the melody, does have a majestic quality to it.

kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/spangle.htm
 
BobP123 said:
I don’t disagree with you about its being used as a hymn, if that’s what its intent is.

By the same token, would you consider the 4th verse of the Star Spangled Banner appropriate as a hymn?

It, together with the melody, does have a majestic quality to it.

kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/spangle.htm
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I agree with you about the 4th verse of the Star Spangled Banner. However, I would not like to hear that in church because it is impossible for most people to sing. It is butchered at just about every sporting event. Most people just don’t have the range to sing it properly.
 
lak611 said:
I agree with you about the 4th verse of the Star Spangled Banner. However, I would not like to hear that in church because it is impossible for most people to sing. It is butchered at just about every sporting event. Most people just don’t have the range to sing it properly.
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That’s why you need a loud organ to drown out the bad voices. I know I am less self-conscious when I hear one. I even hum when I don’t know the words. 🙂
 
If you’re a champion of the Conciliar Church, then of course, you would find the NO ‘service’ perfect… however, it’s basically a Protestant service… better to err on the side of caution and avoid it at all costs… very strong evidence that it’s invalid and illicit and you’re participating in idolatry… that cracker is not the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ…
 
Daisiegirl said:
If you’re a champion of the Conciliar Church, then of course, you would find the NO ‘service’ perfect… however, it’s basically a Protestant service… better to err on the side of caution and avoid it at all costs… very strong evidence that it’s invalid and illicit and you’re participating in idolatry… that cracker is not the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ…
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While I won’t say the OF is perfect, isn’t that a bit strong accusation to make?

Yes, there are a lot of bad NO Masses out there, Yes, the OF is a bit rather watered-down compared to the EF, but to say Christ is not present in an OF Mass!? :bigyikes:
 
We should pray that the Church returns to its very Catholic roots and disengage itself from socio-political correctness.

I attend the NO Mass because it is the only Mass available. The bishop here impedes the The Latin Mass and discourages any entreaties for it.

In my attendance, I focus on the Consecration and Communion. It keeps me going.

I do not like the way the Church has drifted.
 
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