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qui_est_ce
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oooo I was hoping you would come here.
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AgnosTheist
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catholics are not that different from you. they believe in the exact same god, and they value faith and good works as much as you do. So what if they offer a much greater reverence to the saints? So what if they use images to help them with their spirituality?
Catholics - Protestants, you both have strenghts and flaws.
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AgnosTheist
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i know that they have a monthly communion. is it supposed to be weekly?
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AgnosTheist
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i completely agree with you.
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qui_est_ce
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Daily, all over the world all the time. As in the Communion of Saints. and itās supposed to be the Real Thing, just like in the old days.
See, I told you you make a good apologist.
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qui_est_ce
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Originally Posted by bengal_fan
iām not sure everyone would say that. if you want to say that the RCC has the āfullness of truthā thatās fine, but to say itās more ābiblicalā isnāt exactly accurate since one of the arguments for the church is that you donāt rely totally on the bible. so, if a church is more ābiblicalā (which i take to mean biblically based, whether you agree or disagree with their interpretation, they still are basing their church on what they think the bible says) they will be based totally on the bible. by that standard, i would say most of the non-denoms would fit the bill.
i completely agree with you.
WHOA, major faux pas. :dts: We Catholics believe we are the Church instituted by Christ, as written in the Bible. We are the mustard seed.
I would say Catholic Christians totally rely on the Bible, but not ONLY on the Bible. We believe everything in the Bible is inerrantly correct and true.
Originally Posted by bengal_fan
iām not sure everyone would say that. if you want to say that the RCC has the āfullness of truthā thatās fine, but to say itās more ābiblicalā isnāt exactly accurate since one of the arguments for the church is that you donāt rely totally on the bible. so, if a church is more ābiblicalā (which i take to mean biblically based, whether you agree or disagree with their interpretation, they still are basing their church on what they think the bible says) they will be based totally on the bible. by that standard, i would say most of the non-denoms would fit the bill.
i completely agree with you.
WHOA, major faux pas. :dts: We Catholics believe we are the Church instituted by Christ, as written in the Bible. We are the mustard seed.
I would say Catholic Christians totally rely on the Bible, but not ONLY on the Bible. We believe everything in the Bible is inerrantly correct and true.
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AgnosTheist
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that was the point. each of us we all have the exact limited amount of time, just 24 hours per day. if a catholicās time is divided between whats in the bible and those that are not in the bible, how does that compare to someone whose entire time is devoted to the bible only? i would say the latter is more biblical.
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qui_est_ce
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I disagree with your definition of Biblical. Just because somebody carries around a book and quotes from it all the time does not make them āBiblical.ā You have to LIVE the book.
The entire Catholic Christian Church practices are Biblical.
And you are discounting the fact that the CC teaches that it is the Church instituted by Christ in the Bible. :tsktsk:
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AgnosTheist
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Neither catholics nor protestants live the book. But many non demons do live the new testament.
i agree. but there are non denoms that are more so.
you know me, i think the church is both the catholics & protestants.
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jmcrae
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It is not good stewardship to split congregations, because then you have to pay two sets of staff, instead of just one - so the reason for splitting has to go deeper than just a matter of administration - people normally donāt cheerfully decide to pay double what they have been paying to the Church, just for a different kind of administration.
Usually, the split occurs because of a deep disagreement on something they consider essential to the faith - then, the administrative changes are seen as necessary, and then they become willing to pay for them.
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qui_est_ce
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AgnosTheist
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splits also occur because of deep resentments for management. anyway if the splits were really due to essential matters of faith, then how come protestant beliefs appear to be homogenous within the major sects? like there are hundreds of sects under the banner of Evangelicals, there are hundreds of sects under the banner of Baptists, under Pentecostals, etc. but do the beliefs vary between the sects? even between those 3 major branches, there is hardly any difference in major beliefs.
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allischalmers
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Not so, Baptist wrote the Bible
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jmcrae
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It may seem so to you and to me, but to them, issues that may seem minor to us (whether to allow teenagers to go out dancing, or whether to permit the reading of secular fiction) can have serious theological implications to a lot of people in these groups - they may say that the one that forbids dancing is being too legalistic/pharasaical, and not fellowship with him on that basis, or they may argue the other side and say that those who permit dancing are unnecessarily creating occasions of sin for young people, thus leading them (potentially) astray - and choose not to fellowship with persons of such loose morals.
Where you stand on these issues ultimately determines where you go to Church, and who you fellowship with, even if on every other issue, they agree.
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snowfly
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The one that Jesus founded.
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jmcrae
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The founder of the Baptist Church, John Smythe, was born in 1570, 200 years after the first English Bible was published, and died in 1612, a year after the King James Bible was produced in 1611.
Which Bible do you think he wrote?
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qui_est_ce
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The first NT written was begun approx 385 in Latin by St. Jerome under the authority of Pope St. Damasus I. This new book is commonly called the Latin Vulgate, (or common language). The actual Canon of the OT and NT was determined by several Church councils, beginning with the Council of Hippo in 393 AD, Carthage, 393, Carthage 397, and Carthage 419.The founder of the Baptist Church, John Smythe, was born in 1570, 200 years after the first English Bible was published, and died in 1612, a year after the King James Bible was produced in 1611.
Which Bible do you think he wrote?
Read your history. Read the Church Fathers.:crying:
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Nope, the Church did not the Baptist. Baptist didnāt exist then. It was the Council of Carthage 392 AD, Council of Hippo 396 AD. The Church then was Catholic, which consist of the Patriarchiates Churches, Rome, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Constantinople.
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Mannyfit75
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I have no authority. The authority is from the Church not the Bible. The Church received Her authority from Jesus Christ.
The Father send Jesus with authority. Likewise, Jesus said before his ascension gave his Apostles authority. The Apostles themselves handed down their authority to their successors the bishops.
I have read enough of the ECF to know the Early Christian after the death of the Apostles had an orthodox belief of Christianity and it was also universal. The beliefs which we Catholics believe have been handed down to us. St. Ignatius &St. Polycarp (both disciples of St. John the Apostle) , St. Clement of Rome, and St. Papias were taught by the Apostles. St. Clement personally knew Peter, and was taught by him.
Everything that I have said in here concerning Catholicism is not mere propaganda. Itās the truth. Protestantism only contain partial truths and lacks the fullness of it. It is just as I see it, a man-made religion founded by Martin Luther, and other Fathers of the Reformersā¦
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