I admit I have rejected everything but presuppositional apologetics. If you are converting souls to Christianity based upon another apologetic method, good for you. I was not converted based upon a series of evidences but the power of the Holy Spirit. Thus I tend to support presuppositional apologetics because the opposite was my rational for all my years as an atheist.
Amen !
But you reject the church He founded, His Body, that he gave authority to. You separate ‘His scriptures’ from ‘His church’, as if the bible came before the church, when just the opposite is true.
I would say that just as the Holy Spirit guided the writers of scripture, so too did the Holy Spirit guide Jesus’ Church to define the canon.
I’m so very happy to hear that you’ve made this journey. I’d love to read the whole story if you’ve written it.
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to limit and close the OT before the DC were writen around 250 BC. Holding to the Tanakh of 22 books of the OT or 39 using the Greek numbering system of the OT. They also quote Jerome as having been a strong antagonist to the DC.
I do not believe that we have scripture because of the authority of a church.
I don’t believe Michel is saying what is Scripture is Scripture because of someone’s authority; and the Catholic Church doesn’t teach this. Scripture was Scripture from the moment the ink hit the writing surface.
You do not find examples of people in scripture declaring THEIR writings as such. People can say that something is scripture all they want; Moses was not the authority; God was. IF people recognized it based upon the position of Moses that could and probably was a means that God used, it was not their authority that made it such.
Sinaticus and Vaticanus. You might as well be cussing. I wrote a substantial paper-research project- in one of my classes concerning the textual differences between the two concerning one small book! These two linchpins of modern biblical translations are part of the reason I am a majority stream proponent. You do not want to get into that conversation with me.
Why not? I might find I learn something.
Seems we agree Scripture (in the vast majority) does not self-identify.
Of course, God is THE Authority, yet He exercises HIs authority through men; God’s authority heals, yet He uses Peter (and Peter’s shadow) to heal. I don’t believe you are saying God individually revealed to every Israelite the Scriptural-ness of Moses’ writings.
It was Moses’ authority - or, better stated, Moses exercising God’s authority - the people recognized.
Moses had authority. His authority came from God.
God made it scripture.
And that which does, points to books that are not in the Canon - i.e., Assumption of Moses and Book of Enoch.
Well, Christ said the Moses put in some bad teachings on divorce to appease the hard-hearted Jews, so that was Moses exerting his own authority.
Subsequent to what? The Church which Christ founded, the Catholic Church, is given authority from Jesus Himself, not the Scriptures. Scriptures just give witness and testimony to that fact.
Great point!
Subsequent to the fact they are scripture because God is their author.