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I would like to read the context of this Scripture’s source, but my thoughts are that the relation is in the condition of pre-fallen man. One of the benefits may be what this Scripture mentions.
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The devil quotes this scripture from Psalm 91:11-12 to Jesus during the temptation.
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rcwitness
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Good question ben!
This is my understanding of what Peter, and the disciples who stayed with Jesus, believed and why they stayed with Him after this challenging Doctrine from the Lord…
They, as we too, believed that Jesus’ Words and even physical being was equal to the Word of God. They decidedly chose to venerate Him to the same level of Sacred Scripture.
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ptisme
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Why would you not want to make God’s house beautiful. Was not God pleased with Abel at the nice things Abel sacrificed to God? God deserves the best and I have no problem paying for Him to have a beautiful house
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Wannano
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It strikes me with interest this morning that Mary is professing God as her personal Saviour!
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PJM
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Hi Fran,
“Predestined” is used in the context of PRE-KNOWLEDGE of an event; NOT a mandated obedience to one
God Bless you, and Mary Christmas
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I’m curious if this is something you were not aware of? Or are you assuming this means that she was an actual sinner? We believe she was saved through Christ from Original sin, and she relied on His grace to avoid sin throughout her life. This is no less being saved by the Lord than any of her offspring.
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Wow, I made that post in what seems like a long time ago! Sure I appreciate beautiful churches, I get into a lot of them. I feel uncomfortable though with opulence.
Absolutely God deserves the best, and the best we can give Him is our heart since He makes His dwelling within us not in a house made with human hands.
I am going from memory on this but I think Abel offering was acceptable to God because his heart was right not because what He offered was nice.
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PJM
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As I have taught repeatedly; on this thread and others; it is absolutely impossible that Sola Scriptura be a fact; a reality; a part of GOD"S truth.
The Bible dear friends is a CATHOLIC BOOK; which would not exit were it not for Christ Catholic Church.
It was Catholics who selected the Jewish OT books to be included in the Bible
It was Catholics who AUTHORED the Entire NT
It was Catholics who assembled and Codified the bibles 73 books [which Luter some 1,500 years Later cut to “63.”
Read please the last to verses in John chapters 20 & 21. John teaches IN THE BIBLE [emphasis not shouting] that NOT everything is in the bible by intent; not accident.
The Church Jesus established begin right after His Ascension; that was 33-36 AD [after death]. The Bible was not fully authored until the END of the 1st or early 2nd centuries.
HOW then did the infant Church [singular Mt 16:18] teach and grow? BY word of Mouth as they had traditionally been taught for the OT books and teachings]
ADD then to this dynamic a high rate of illiteracy [may have included some of the Apostles?] & and include the sacristy and high cost of writing materials
Even then the bibles books were NOT assembled as “a book.” They were just scattered letters and teachings. So there was a prolonged period after the Church had already been formed when no bible existed.
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Certainly God COULD HAVE
BUT that is NOT what GOD choose to do**
So now the BIG questions: what does this have to do with a Christmas message; and what more specifically does this have to do with Mary?
In all of creation for all time; God choose and God permitted only one person; one soul, to be born in an absolute sense “perfect.” This was not something Mary “merited” so much as being a gift from Jesus Her son; who merited this grace for Her. Not just ten fingers and toes perfect; BUT perfect in every possible way. Only Mary, having been given the call; having been granted the graces necessary; would be both born without the stain of any sin and then choose freely never to sin. Mary then becomes the human model that we each can, and each ought to with God’s grace; emulate. If we don’t set high our sights, we can never attain the higher things.
**Hail Mary, [Lk. 1:28]
Full of Grace [Lk. 1:28]
The Lord is with thee [Lk 1:27]
Blessed are you among all women [Lk 1:42]
And Blessed in the fruit of your womb: Jesus [Lk. 1;42]
Holy Mary [Lk.1: 28]
Mother of God 1:35
Pray for us sinners [our catholic petition]
Now and at the hour of our death
Amen” **
God’s greater purposes for the Incarnation include the possibilities of man knowing God in ways far more personal and intimate than ever before and therefore far more demanding. And of course to become man’s Redeemer; and if we fulfill the very reason for our existence; our Savior. Towards this end Jesus gave to humanity His Mother to be our Mother; knowing that She could, and that She would bring many Souls to Him, and to their personal salvation. [Jn 19: 25-27]
Mary Christman my friend**
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Nicely done my friend! Thanks
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PJM
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Sorry:blush: I missed that great point.
Before his death and resurrection Mortal like OURS
After the Resurrection more lie Adams; BUT now completely perfected in every possible way:thumbsup:
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I was aware but it never stuck out to me like it did just now. I am not building any theology on it and I can understand your explanation as well. I could use more clarification on your last sentence.
Actually what was really in my mind was the title of another thread here, “what is the history of the term Personal Lord and Saviour.” Seems like Mary was way ahead of anything attributed to “those Protestants.”
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PJM
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Because God Himself teaches: I AM the way & I AM thee Truth; what Father shares is correct. Grace DOES depend on Truth for GOD IS Truth. Amen? Amen.
IMO [not a church teaching here]
This fact of an absolutely necessary relationship between “truth and grace” is born out in the multiplicity and variety of Protestant churches and differing sets of faith beliefs.
Because Faith stem from and must flow through TRUTH [always singular per defined issue]; a lack of faith stems from a lack of grace.
God’s Faith has to be “one” because even God cannot hold contrary; often contradictory positions on the same defined issues.
God Bless you and Mary Christmas
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PJM
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I’ve never been asked that one before. THANKSALL Communion bread is unleavened [like the bread of Passover]
The size is incidental As Jesus is in every waver and every part no matter how small or how large [its a mystery joined to a Miracle]
The larger sizes [small, medium and large" ] are a personal option of the priest or Bishop.
The Medium and Large Host are used to STRESS the Real Presence of Jesus; but are not mandated or essential for Jesus to actually be “made Present.”
The medium host can be totally consumed by the priest [presider]
; or as is more often the case [personal choice] broken into four pcs; 1 of 2 consumed by the priest; and the balance distributed as Holy Communion.
The Largest host can be broken into 8 sections and the above distribution made as a personal choice. There is NO additional benefit for receiving a fragmented host or a small normal cCommunion host. Its the One and Same Jesus always:thumbsup:
God Bless you, and thanks for asking,
Patrick
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BUT
They do exist; I have been to several of them:thumbsup:
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Peter_J
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Well, I think protestants came up with, or at least popularized, the idea of putting the word “personal” at the beginning. Otherwise they stole it from us Catholics.
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rcwitness
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Ok, that’s a good attitude! My last sentence means that she was saved in a similar way of all those who keep the commandments of her Son. Though her’s was also unique in that she was prevented from the effects of Original sin, even from her conception. This means the Lord was with her, in the Christian sense, from the beginning. She was redeemed at her very beginning because she was to be the first to receive the grace of Jesus. All who are subsequently redeemed are done so with the fact that she believed and consented to Christ’s coming into the world.
That’s very true. She is unique in her motherhood to all who personally believe and keep His Word. She is like the whole Church, but also like an individual member. She is mysterious in her relation to Jesus! So bound to Him and yet part of us all.
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