What dear friend, do you find strange about Catholicism?

[PJM]

Every now and then I like to restate this:

I retain that right and privilege to assert what I will assert.

I’m not here in the role of a catechist or to teach anyone anything.

I leave that to you and to PJM -.

Fran

THANK YOU!

But unfortunately simply posting AS A CATHOLIC [all of us us are presumed to informed and fully practicing], holds the possibility of scandal if and when we are sharing our Faith NOT completely in alignment with Church Teachings. ,

May God Bless you and Mary Christmas

I wish you well!

Patrick

 

[PJM]

Wow, I made that post in what seems like a long time ago! Sure I appreciate beautiful churches, I get into a lot of them. I feel uncomfortable though with opulence.

Absolutely God deserves the best, and the best we can give Him is our heart since He makes His dwelling within us not in a house made with human hands.

I am going from memory on this but I think Abel offering was acceptable to God because his heart was right not because what He offered was nice.

My friend this practice of Catholics making God’s Huse [after all that is what a church is supposed to be]; flows from the expectations of God himself

Here we have GOD commanding Moses on how He; God, wants the Ark of the Covenant to be built:

Exodus 37:16
And the vessels for the divers uses of the table, dishes, bowls, and cups, and censers of pure gold, wherein the libations are to be offered

1 Kings 7:49
And the golden candlesticks, five on the right hand, and five on the left, over against the oracle, of pure gold: and the flowers like lilies, and the lamps over them of gold: and golden snuffers,

Exodus 25:11
And thou shalt overlay it with the purest gold within and without: and over it thou shalt make a golden crown round about

Exodus 25:13
Thou shalt make bars also of setim wood, and shalt overlay them with gold.

Exodus 25:17
Thou shalt make also a propitiatory of the purest gold: the length thereof shall be two cubits and a half, and the breadth a cubit and a half.

Exodus 25:18
Thou shalt make also two cherubims of beaten gold, on the two sides of the oracle

WHY?

Because desires what is WORTHY of Him; always our Best; always the most we can do:thumbsup:

 

[adrift]

Every now and then I like to restate this:

I retain that right and privilege to assert what I will assert.

I’m not here in the role of a catechist or to teach anyone anything.

I leave that to you and to PJM -.

Fran

THANK YOU!

But unfortunately simply posting AS A CATHOLIC [all of us us are presumed to informed and fully practicing], holds the possibility of scandal if and when we are sharing our Faith NOT completely in alignment with Church Teachings. ,

May God Bless you and Mary Christmas

I wish you well!

Patrick

Patrick you have stated it well. In addition, when you make the claim of having authority such as being a catechist, theologian, religious order, or priest, you are and should be held to a higher standard. You can’t then claim I am not in that role, that train left once you claim it.

 

[adrift]

It’s a theological question Adrift. I’m just trying to show you that everything is not as easy as you make it out to be.

I believe I know what the problem is ETERNITY

We have a past, present, and future but eternity is.

God knows what choices we will make even though He gives us those choices
God knew how Mary would chose but she still had a free choice.
How can we reconcile free will with God’s omniscience?

There is nothing to reconcile. Because you know that the sun will be in the sky tomorrow doesn’t mean that you will have caused it to be there! Even though God already knows what our free choices will be in the future, our choices are still ours and are still free. If our free choices change how the future will be, God already knows that and has known it for all eternity.

---

Answered by: Fr. Vincent Serpa O.P.

The same is true of Mary.

 

[adrift]

BUT They do exist; I have been to several of them:thumbsup:

No doubt. I have attended some my self. I have attended masses in Colorado, ND, AZ, NM, NV and AK and both species are offered to everyone. The post I answered has a different experience as being mostly received only under one. It was rightly pointed out that you receive full communion even if you only receive under one species.

 

[fbl9]

fbl9;13526582:

No arguement with that. Same issue occurs when a church creates a practice from an idea or philosophy that has no direct biblical reference.

The Eucharist is entirely biblical. You dont agree with the CCs interpretation of the scripture passages. Transubstantiation is an explanation of how this mystery is such. Born out as to protect the identity of the divine presence in the Eucharist.

 

[guanophore]

Ben Carson:

The media has a “gotcha” mentality.
Kind of reminds me of you in my regard.

I have a feeling that the people reading along have understood my point.

Fran
Oh. And you can read CCC no. 488 over again - slowly.

I hope so. It would be better if you could find a way to make your point that does not so directly contradict the Catechism.

Hi benhur,

I’d say that Jesus had a perfect, pre-fall body.

Just like the lamb in Exodus 11,12 had to be a perfect lamb with no blemish.

Just a thought.

Fran

I was having the SAME THOUGHT! What if I start to think like Fran! :bigyikes:

Every now and then I like to restate this:

I retain that right and privilege to assert what I will assert.

I’m not here in the role of a catechist or to teach anyone anything.

I leave that to you and to PJM -.

Fran

Well, there are limits here on CAF to what you can assert. And really, it is not a right to post here, but a privilege. Certain kinds of “assertions” or promoting of one’s “rights” can get one suspended or banned.

 

[PJM]

Patrick you have stated it well. In addition, when you make the claim of having authority such as being a catechist, theologian, religious order, or priest, you are and should be held to a higher standard. You can’t then claim I am not in that role, that train left once you claim it.

I both agree and disagree; truth my friend has to remain as what it is: singular truth per defined issue.

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[adrift]

I both agree and disagree; truth my friend has to remain as what it is: singular truth per defined issue.

God Bless you,

Patrick

What?

 

[guanophore]

Patrick you have stated it well. In addition, when you make the claim of having authority such as being a catechist, theologian, religious order, or priest, you are and should be held to a higher standard. You can’t then claim I am not in that role, that train left once you claim it.

I think this is especially true after one has appealed repeatedly to that authority to bolster one’s points.

 

[Michael68]

Wannano;13526527:

The issue occurs when some one speculates what Jesus told his disciples and makes that (the speculation) a basis for their own teaching.

What is speculation about " This is my body"? Can’t get plainer than that!

 

[Memaw]

Wow, I made that post in what seems like a long time ago! Sure I appreciate beautiful churches, I get into a lot of them. I feel uncomfortable though with opulence.

Absolutely God deserves the best, and the best we can give Him is our heart since He makes His dwelling within us not in a house made with human hands.

I am going from memory on this but I think Abel offering was acceptable to God because his heart was right not because what He offered was nice.

How about both, he gave his best as a sacrifice also. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Wannano]

fbl9;13526582:

What is speculation about " This is my body"? Can’t get plainer than that!

Kindly refer to post 768 as these are not my words and we’re not originally posted by me at all.

 

[adrift]

Kindly refer to post 768 as these are not my words and we’re not originally posted by me at all.

The problem is the quoting. A post has a quoting error that is carried over to others no one fixes it and so goes.
I fixed the one here

Merry Christmas to all

 

[Wannano]

The problem is the quoting. A post has a quoting error that is carried over to others no one fixes it and so goes.
I fixed the one here

Merry Christmas to all

:rolleyes

 

[fbl9]

Michael68;13532198:

Kindly refer to post 768 as these are not my words and we’re not originally posted by me at all./QUOTE

 

[benhur]

I am curious about how this can be understood symbolically. Ignatius is not specific about what the heretics DID believe about the Eucharist, but it seems clear they did not believe in the Real Presence, as the Apostles did.

Igantius was very clear of what the Gnostics believed and is explicit as to why they did not believe in a real presence, and implicitly even on a symbolic level of the Eucharist.“They are ashamed of the cross; they mock at the passion; they make a jest of the resurrection. They are the offspring of that spirit who is the author of all evil,…”
And preceded by this:“Let no man deceive himself. Both the things which are in heaven, and the glorious angels, and rulers, both visible and invisible, if they believe not in the blood of Christ, shall, in consequence, incur condemnation”. post #648

How can the Body and Blood of the Lord be descrated if it is not present?

The reality that any symbol represents is always “present”.

27*Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 I Cor 11

Absolutely. Carry the flag of the US around yet steal from her and not pay your taxes, or trample on the less fortunate, or those of colored skin as less equal etc., etc., and you profane the reality of what the flag symbolizes: the United States and her constitution.

Blessings

 

[TonyBS]

fbl9;13526582:

What is speculation about " This is my body"? Can’t get plainer than that!

As the Glory of Jesus the Christ is Spiritual and the aim to be born again Spiritual, then look for the Spiritual Lesson.

Thus a material explanation was just supporting a deep and everlasting spiritual truth.

Many wonderful truths can be obtained from these few passages and of understanding the Covernant that God had given us within these Words.

Regards Tony

 

[Peter_J]

As the Glory of Jesus the Christ is Spiritual and the aim to be born again Spiritual, then look for the Spiritual Lesson.

Thus a material explanation was just supporting a deep and everlasting spiritual truth.

Many wonderful truths can be obtained from these few passages and of understanding the Covernant that God had given us within these Words.

Regards Tony

Even if you don’t believe that there’s any Physical significance to the verse “This is my body”, ample historical evidence shows that Christians have always interpretted it that way.

Needless to say (or is it?) that doesn’t mean we don’t see it as Spiritually significant.

 

[rcwitness]

Needless to say (or is it?) that doesn’t mean we don’t see it as Spiritually significant.

You MUST believe in the Spirit giving life in His Eucharist to believe a change from ordinary food to becomes Spiritually beneficial, because there is nothing which gives evidence to the carnal senses that any change has occurred.