What dear friend, do you find strange about Catholicism?

[PJM]

Patrick - What I find strange is most of what is posted above. From a lover of Christ outside the confines of these rituals, I must say how people see these are quite bizzar

I would put a question to you. How would it be seen that a person who has not and will not submit to all this doctrinal ritual, but submits to and serves His life in Christ.

Example. A Jew this very day reads the Bible, sees Christ message and His sacrifice for our Sin and gives all to Christ and would drop at the feet of Christ and ask to also give their life. He would spend the remainder of His given life Teaching, praising and living for Jesus the Christ and the Glory of God so others to may share in this. This person needs no ritual his heart connects spiritually to Christ, he feeds of the Knowledge and Love of His Beauty, His Sacrifice and His Promise. He falls to the ground each day and confesses his complete servitude to that love and His inability to render befitting service. He immerses Himself in the Water of knowledge and the Fire of the Love of God through Christ.

This narrative could continue, the point clear enough for a considered answer to be given.

God bless and regards Tony

And the REASON you do my friend, is that God has to grant one [who is seeking thee truth] the ability to understanding it

Seek first God as God desires to be sought and understanding will flow naturally from this effory:thumbsup:

 

[PJM]

Originally Posted by TonyBS View Post
Patrick - What I find strange is most of what is posted above. From a lover of Christ outside the confines of these rituals, I must say how people see these are quite bizzar

I would put a question to you. How would it be seen that a person who has not and will not submit to all this doctrinal ritual, but submits to and serves His life in Christ

Tony my friend, what your attempting here mimics Protestantism:

Namely that you insist on some unwarranted right to dictate to God how you choose to worship him.

Who’s in charge of the relationship Tony? YOU or God:shrug:

Pray about it

 

[PJM]

Good observation. The bible does not state that loving Jesus is the requirement of salvation. One can love Jesus in different ways. You might love Him for his wisdom or His healing etc.
Biblical salvation has to do with repentance and placing trust in Christ and believing that He has accomplished everything for salvation and life. The proof of this would be that one would then cease from his own works as God did from His and actually trust in Christ alone.

Good observation. The bible does not state that loving Jesus is the requirement of salvation.

REALLY:shrug:

Matthew 22:37
Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.

Romans 8:28
And we know that to them that love God, all things work together unto good, to such as, according to his purpose, are called to be saints.

1 Corinthians 8:3
But if any man love God, the same is known by him.

1 John 4:19
Let us therefore love God, because God first hath loved us.

God Bless you friend

 

[PJM]

Who appointed you judge over who is or is not a Christian?
Is salvation not open to all? I will question your religious practices but never your faith.

Actually God, who is THEE singular truth

Is salvation not open to all? I will question your religious practices but never your faith

What my friend you share here is accurate Faith can only be judged fully by God’; but truth LIKE God is singular per defined issue is it not:shrug:

And while the degree of one’s Faith cannot be judged; one’s faith-beliefs can and must be:thumbsup:

God Bless you,
Patrick

 

[Memaw]

Moses and Elijah.
They were not Catholic yet are “saved”.

They were before the coming of Christ and HIS dying on the Cross for our sins. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Sunlight]

Confessing to a priest your sins and being told how many our fathers, hail mary’s to say afterwards when it should be god you need to confess to directly, not another human who is imperfect.

 

[blanchardman]

I accept all you have said here although I might use different terminology. Moses was “saved” long before the church was established.

.He had to wait for the death and resurrection of Jesus to receive his reward.

 

[Memaw]

I know and I agree, but they existed long before Christ established HIS Catholic Church and it became known as the Catholic (universal) Church, God Bless, Memaw

 

[benhur]

Hi Jack (could not quite say “Hi JC”),

The way you worded the underlined may indeed show your sentiment, but I thought we, the church, are grafted onto the earlier dispensation, sons of Abraham, even of the nation Israel. Not sure the visible church will rule as much as the elect (those ‘called out’ , the ‘church’ will rule , and it seems that thru the visible New Jerusalem, the seat of David, the Lord on the throne. For sure we rule with Him (along with OT saints) but not as "church’ or thru "church’.

But open to suggestions however, for indeed this topic is not much talked about.

Blessings

 

[guanophore]

I thought we, the church, are grafted onto the earlier dispensation, sons of Abraham, even of the nation Israel.

I think you are right.

Not sure the visible church will rule as much as the elect (those ‘called out’ , the ‘church’ will rule , p.quote]

Won’t they be visible?
benhur;13538820:

and it seems that thru the visible New Jerusalem, the seat of David, the Lord on the throne. For sure we rule with Him (along with OT saints) but not as "church’ or thru "church’.

But open to suggestions however, for indeed this topic is not much talked about.

Blessings

I am having trouble reconciling your excision of the Church with what Paul wrote.

"…and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things; 10**so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places. **11This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord,… Eph. 3

 

[eazyduzit]

Thank you for that admission. Most Catholics will not admit that there is also a spiritual and unseen side to the church to which all believers are joined together.

 

[adrift]

Hi a,

Correct.Was not addressing that issue, only that the Lord’s words (This is my body…") are not “simple”, as was posted. In simplest terms at the Last Supper one sees the elements and one sees the Lord’s body, as separate entities still, requiring some explanation. I feel figurative, symbolic language is the the simplest explanation, and transubstantiation, not as simple, the other. That is all I was saying.

Blessings

I am glad I asked. It is good to understand your position and not assume.

 

[adrift]

Confessing to a priest your sins and being told how many our fathers, hail mary’s to say afterwards when it should be god you need to confess to directly, not another human who is imperfect.

I am curious as to what authority you use to state it should be directly to God not another human certainly the Scriptures do not support such a belief so where do you get it?

Guanophore has pointed out the command of Jesus but also there is James 5:16

 

[guanophore]

Thank you for that admission. Most Catholics will not admit that there is also a spiritual and unseen side to the church to which all believers are joined together.

Well, if you do have the misfortune of encountering such poorly catechized Catholics, please refer them to the Catechism.

And especially for those who still hold a pre-Reformation understanding of the teaching that outside the church there is no salvation,

Wounds to unity

817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ’s Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:

Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

 

[adrift]

I accept all you have said here although I might use different terminology. Moses was “saved” long before the church was established.

.He had to wait for the death and resurrection of Jesus to receive his reward.

Could anyone be saved until the sacrifice of Jesus?

Someone needs to give a definition because I think we might have different definitions.

 

[Vaseljen]

As an Orthodox, i find it strange that Roman-Catholic clergy shave their beards. I must say because of it your bishops and priests look fake to the majority of Orthodox laity. It is just an ugly tradition to me. A tradition which came from, i don’t know where, because Christ and Apostles had beards, and portraits of early popes, they had beards.

 

[JustaServant]

Thank you for that admission. **Most Catholics will not admit **that there is also a spiritual and unseen side to the church to which all believers are joined together.

I never heard a Catholic who denied that. In fact understanding that was a major factor in my re-version years ago.

 

[JustaServant]

Confessing to a priest your sins and being told how many our fathers, hail mary’s to say afterwards when it should be god you need to confess to directly, not another human who is imperfect.

Alvin…is that you?

 

[blanchardman]

Could anyone be saved until the sacrifice of Jesus?

Someone needs to give a definition because I think we might have different definitions.

We know Elijah was taken to heaven on a whirlwind and God took Enoch (to be with him)
Would you not say they are saved?

 

[Michael68]

Confessing to a priest your sins and being told how many our fathers, hail mary’s to say afterwards when it should be god you need to confess to directly, not another human who is imperfect.

Could you please show scripture, chapter and verse, that says we are to confess our sins to God alone?