What did Jesus do to respect His Mother?

[Tantum_ergo]

Agnos, it would be most helpful if you remembered that the Bible was not written in 21st century English. Phraseology, titles, terms, references, styles etc. change a great deal from culture to culture, century to century, etc.

You have to look at it in the context not of how we would use the word “Woman” to speak to somebody TODAY, but how it would have been used in the time of Christ, by the Jewish society then.

 

[inJESUS]

Indeed, look how some words have changed over the past. Gay had positive connotation ( happy), but now it’s negative (homosexual) so if you read in an ancient text : how gay you are, it surely does not mean disrespect.

 

[MarcoPolo]

You are stretching it.

I’m not stretching it. There is a consistency in Tradition that this is what Jesus meant. But you don’t accept that anyway, so what’s the difference…

 

[SD_Catholic]

I almost did.

Ahhh… quite sneaky aren’t you… maybe not come out and say it… just put that thought in the back of our minds… fortunately most of us here are pretty grounded in our faith so we won’t fall for that old trick… but clever none the less.

SD

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

why did jesus call his mother “woman”? that sounds so disrespectful.

In the ancient world, Woman was a title of respect—Mark Antony is said to have called Cleopatra “Woman”—and can be considered roughly equivalent to calling a modern noblewoman “Lady.” The term Woman also recalls the protoevangelium in the book of Genesis (cf. Gen. 3:15), where Eve is referred to as “Woman.” By calling his Mother “Woman,” Jesus was making a theological point and showing great respect to Mary.
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0511qq.asp

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

I think JesusYeshuaIssa loved her mother Mary very much. After the incident of Crucifixion, in which he did not die a cursed death on Cross, when Jesus decided to migrate from Judea due to the misciefs of the Jews, he did not leave Mary behind with the strangers and took her alongwith him to take care of her.

As was Jesus respected in these far off land so was his mother respected there. This was all because Jesus loved her very much.

Thanks

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… and they lived happily ever after.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

… And Mary died a natural death at Murree ( named after Mary), a hilly resort near Islamabad, Pakistan. Her grave is till there and people visit there and pray for her.Aand Jesus died a natural death at Kashmir; his tomb is still there in Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kahsmir, India.

Thanks

 

[YADA]

Woman … some say that this does not sound ‘nice’ one poster said that this sounded “neutral”

I say go back and read Genesis again …

God says that it is not good for the “man” to be alone … then all of the animals are brought before Adam … now the animals, like Adam are made form the dust … what is different about Adam … Adam has the breath of God … breathed into him … humans then are Good breathed creatures [embodied spirits] …

Adam finds no companion amoung the animals … then God imposes a deep sleep upon Adam … takes a rib and forms Eve… when Adam awakes … he sees Eve and declares:

"This one, at last, is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; This one shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of ‘her man’ this one has been taken."

Now Adam and Eve are one flesh … Jesus is one flesh with Mary … all his humanity [incarnate - flesh] is received from His Mother …

Adam saw his union with Eve and called it ‘woman’ this is a term that signifies a unity of persons that transcends all … he recognized in her what was *missing *in the other creatures … that ‘made in the likeness of God’ quality …

That human kind can take this term and make it mean, dirty or neutral … does not change its real meaning when used in a God inspired sense …

My musings …

Jesus honored his Mother by recognizing and calling out to her in the same way Adam recognized his oneness with Eve, unity in God’s sight …

And as JEsus was there at the creation he would know of which he speaks …

 

[Benadam]

You are stretching it. Besides, Mary wasnt the mother of those guys who wrote Genesis & Revelation, so even if they knew mary they are not required to call her ‘mother’. We are talking about Jesus here. He is the one who called his own mother ‘woman’. Odd.

If the lives are the foundation of a new age or in the case of Adam and Eve or Jesus and His mother a new creation ,they are not one of many but many in one. Archetypes. The Author of Genesis may not have known Mary but knew her as a future archetype for woman. In that capacity the author knew her as mother of all who would be saved.

There is no doubt that the author of Revelation knew the mother of Jesus as the New Woman which is inherently New Mother as well.

 

[Eden]

Calling the Blessed Virgin “woman” was symbolic and a crucial title necessary to fulfill certain Biblical prophecies from the Old Testament. Genesis 3:15 says "“I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; *he *will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel.” The woman and her seed of Genesis 3:15 do not simply stand for Eve and one of her righteous sons. They prophetically foreshadow Mary and Jesus. Referring to the Blessed Virgin as woman declares her to be the New Eve.

Further reading on the Virgin as the New Eve:

catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0312sbs.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/1998/9812frs.asp

 

[JoeyWarren]

The Greek word used here for Woman is gune.

GUNE a woman; specifically a wife: - wife, woman.
other words used for. More a title of respect.

**The word GUNE is translated as wife in several places. **

The woman used in lessor forms are these:

houtos houtoi hautē hautai - nominative feminine signular, and the nominate feminine plural

tautē tautēn tautēs - Dative, accusative and genitive case respectively of the feminine singular of houtos houtoi hautē hautai

thēlus - female: - female, woman.

If the author of John intended to say that Jesus was using a derogative woman word( as most protestants and non-catholics believe), then the author would have used anything but GENU and more probable would have used thelus.

**Both from a historical Jewish perspective and from the Greek word that was used, Jesus was using a term of respect and of position. **

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[b_justb]

What did Jesus do to respect His Mother?

The Gospel according to St. John 15:26, 27 But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me; and you also are witnesses, because you have been with me from the beginning.

The Acts of the Apostles 1:12-14 & 2:1-4 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olives, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day’s journey away; and when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James. All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers & When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly a sound came from heaven like the rush of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire, distributed and resting on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

I think that’s a great example of the respect Jesus gave His Mom.

 

[NDfan]

Only to modern ears. It is a reference to Mary as the one in Genesis 3:15 as well as the last book of the Bible, Revelation, the Woman Clothed with the Sun.

This is incorrect. Mary is not the woman in Genesis 3 as this was flat out a copy error. Jesus refers to HIS mother as woman because that was how women were addressed at that time. Referring to a woman as “woman” was a sign of respect. We view it as a sign of disrespect but it was natural to call your mother “woman” similar to how we call our mothers today “Mom”.

 

[water]

This is incorrect. Mary is not the woman in Genesis 3 as this was flat out a copy error. Jesus refers to HIS mother as woman because that was how women were addressed at that time. Referring to a woman as “woman” was a sign of respect. We view it as a sign of disrespect but it was natural to call your mother “woman” similar to how we call our mothers today “Mom”.

It is good to know that you agree that Jesus was respecting His Mother by calling Her “woman” - May I suggest this book “Hail, Holy Queen” by the convert - Dr. Scott Hahn. There are many discussion about Jesus and Mary in regard to the OT and NT.

edited: big typo.

 

[NDfan]

In the ancient world, Woman was a title of respect—Mark Antony is said to have called Cleopatra “Woman”—and can be considered roughly equivalent to calling a modern noblewoman “Lady.” The term Woman also recalls the protoevangelium in the book of Genesis (cf. Gen. 3:15), where Eve is referred to as “Woman.” By calling his Mother “Woman,” Jesus was making a theological point and showing great respect to Mary.
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0511qq.asp

Right on the money

 

[water]

Right on the money

The term Woman also recalls the protoevangelium in the book of Genesis (cf. Gen. 3:15), where **Eve **is referred to as “Woman.” By calling his Mother “Woman,” Jesus was making a theological point and showing great respect to Mary.

What is the "theological point " the author talking about? She’s the New Eve!

The old Eve shows disobedient; the new Eve shows total obedient.
The old Eve brought death; the new Eve brought new life - Jesus.

Thanks!

 

[NDfan]

It is good to know that you agree that Jesus was disrespecting His Mother by calling Her “woman”

You obviously didn’t read my post but let me re-quote myself:

“Referring to a woman as “woman” was a sign of respect.” Pay attention next time.

May I suggest this book “Hail, Holy Queen” by the convert - Dr. Scott Hahn. There are many discussion about Jesus and Mary in regard to the OT and NT.

No you may not suggest Scott Hahn to me as I don’t agree with his work.

 

[NDfan]

What is the "theological point " the author talking about? She’s the New Eve!

The old Eve shows disobedient; the new Eve shows total obedient.
The old Eve brought death; the new Eve brought new life - Jesus.

Thanks!

Please show me chapter and verse where Mary is called that.

 

[water]

You obviously didn’t read my post but let me re-quote myself:

“Referring to a woman as “woman” was a sign of respect.” Pay attention next time.

No you may not suggest Scott Hahn to me as I don’t agree with his work.

I know that is a sign of respect, and I was agreed with you, NDfan. Maybe I didn’t write clearly.

You don’t have to agree with an author to not read his book.