What did Jesus do to respect His Mother?

[sandusky]

The Greek word used here for Woman is gune.

GUNE a woman; specifically a wife: - wife, woman.
other words used for. More a title of respect.

**The word GUNE is translated as wife in several places. **

The woman used in lessor forms are these:

houtos houtoi hautē hautai - nominative feminine signular, and the nominate feminine plural

tautē tautēn tautēs - Dative, accusative and genitive case respectively of the feminine singular of houtos houtoi hautē hautai

thēlus - female: - female, woman.

Joey, please explain what you mean by lesser forms; exactly what parts of speech are those words that you cite as lesser forms?
Joey Warren:

If the author of John intended to say that Jesus was using a derogative woman word( as most protestants and non-catholics believe), then the author would have used anything but GENU and more probable would have used thelus.

Biblical interpretation doesn’t work that way.

Joey Warren, in 2008, from his home in Alabama, does not determine what word, or words the writers of the Gospels should have used to describe one thing, or another. That’s not sound interpretation, but unsound eisegesis.

Sound interpretation moves from the words the writers did use and draws its conclusions/ understanding from the extant texts. Sound interpretation doesn’t impose its own desires on the text in order to force its presupposition into the meaning.

All of the Gospel writers use gune exclusively when referring to females; none use the alternative that you offer (I’m not familiar with the alternative that you offer; perhaps you could post it in a Greek font? I find no such word based upon your “English” rendering of its spelling).

**Both from a historical Jewish perspective and from the Greek word that was used, Jesus was using a term of respect and of position. **

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That’s one of many opinions concerning what Jesus meant in the text.

 

[water]

Please show me chapter and verse where Mary is called that.

Show me where it says Trinity in the Bible. If we keep dwell on this kind of discussion; it is not going anywhere.

 

[NDfan]

I know that is a sign of respect, and I was agreed with you, NDfan. Maybe I didn’t write clearly.

Water here is what you wrote:

It is good to know that you agree that Jesus was disrespecting His Mother by calling Her “woman”

Perhaps you meant to type **was not **disrespecting?

You don’t have to agree with an author to not read his book.

I have read it as well as many others. I’ve also seen him present and I don’t agree with his theological deductions.

 

[water]

Water here is what you wrote:

It is good to know that you agree that Jesus was disrespecting His Mother by calling Her “woman”

Perhaps you meant to type **was not **disrespecting?

I have read it as well as many others. I’ve also seen him present and I don’t agree with his theological deductions.

A big Oopsi! I meant respecting. Thanks for catching that, NDfan.

I just finished the book and I thought you might want to read, but it is your choice.

 

[water]

Anyhow, until his few last breath…being nailed on the Cross, Jesus die for entire world…yet, He paid attention to His Mother specially. Wow! What a special “Woman” indeed!

What did Jesus see in this Woman that many of us don’t see?!?

 

[NDfan]

Show me where it says Trinity in the Bible. If we keep dwell on this kind of discussion; it is not going anywhere.

The Bible doesn’t state trinity as a word but the elements are clearly there when we read God the Father, Jesus and the Father are one in the same, and the Spirit of GOD. I questioned the trinity doctrine until I read scripture. But the elements of Mary being the new Eve are not there. It’s a connection made to Genesis 3:15 which is a copy error made after Jerome used the word Ipsa instead of Ipsum. The original hebrew scrolls contained “it” shall crush the head of the serpent using a masculine pronoun. Jerome used Ipsa which can mean it, he or she in the Vulgate. The Septuagint wrote correctly HE, but a copyist made an error when translating the Vulgate to English and wrote She.

The bottom line and getting back to the original question of the post is did Jesus disrespect Mary by calling her woman? The answer is emphatically no as calling a woman “Woman” at that time was a sign of great respect. It has nothing at all to do with prophecy.

 

[planter654]

Immaculate Conception. She was saved from falling before she even could.

That was not the questioned asked, was it?

 

[water]

The Bible doesn’t state trinity as a word but the elements are clearly there when we read God the Father, Jesus and the Father are one in the same, and the Spirit of GOD. I questioned the trinity doctrine until I read scripture. But the elements of Mary being the new Eve are not there. It’s a connection made to Genesis 3:15 which is a copy error made after Jerome used the word Ipsa instead of Ipsum. The original hebrew scrolls contained “it” shall crush the head of the serpent using a masculine pronoun. Jerome used Ipsa which can mean it, he or she in the Vulgate. The Septuagint wrote correctly HE, but a copyist made an error when translating the Vulgate to English and wrote She.

The bottom line and getting back to the original question of the post is did Jesus disrespect Mary by calling her woman? The answer is emphatically no as calling a woman “Woman” at that time was a sign of great respect. It has nothing at all to do with prophecy.

The elements are all there and it is not only prophecy, it was already happening. But I respect your point of view. I hope that it will come clear someday for both of us. For we are still seeing things through glasses.

I try to focus on the respecting aspect of His life to His Mother without going into debate after debate. It might throw us off track.

 

[NDfan]

A big Oopsi! I meant respecting. Thanks for catching that, NDfan.

That’s OK. It confused me

I just finished the book and I thought you might want to read, but it is your choice.

I read it also but again I don’t agree with his theology.

 

[NDfan]

The elements are all there and it is not only prophecy, it was already happening.

Can you point me to the elements you are referring to and what was already happening? Perhaps we can go to another thread.

 

[water]

Can you point me to the elements you are referring to and what was already happening? Perhaps we can go to another thread.

I would just repeat the same thing what the Church says and Dr. Scott Hahn says in his book, but you are already disagreed with. I don’t think with my knowledge I can grab the total undestanding of all these, but that is where faith and trust come in.

 

[NDfan]

The elements are all there and it is not only prophecy, it was already happening. But I respect your point of view. I hope that it will come clear someday for both of us. For we are still seeing things through glasses.

Thanks and I respect yours.

I try to focus on the respecting aspect of His life to His Mother without going into debate after debate. It might throw us off track.

Good point. I respect Mary tremendously for doing the will of GOD as Jesus points out in Luke. But I never see Jesus exalt Mary or tell anyone to exalt Mary like the church does. But as you say we will have to wait for GOD to clarify for us.

PEACE

 

[NDfan]

I would just repeat the same thing what the Church says and Dr. Scott Hahn says in his book, but you are already disagreed with. I don’t think with my knowledge I can grab the total undestanding of all these, but that is where faith and trust come in.

I see. I am just mindful of what he writes as he has become very pro-Roman Catholic. I spent 40 years in the RCC and have seen the same things he writes over and over again. He doesn’t really present any new information or anything I didn’t already hear in Catholic school over and over again.

PEACE and GOD Bless Water

 

[Nino]

Jesus taught us to honor our parents. What do you think Jesus did to honor His Mother? and How is His honoring His Mother an example to us?

We honor our Mom by never sinning! Jesus was the most perfect of all sons…He never wanted to disappoint His mom,He respected and listened to His dad,He learned a trade,the buildings trade…He honored His mom by always respecting women…the first of all Teachers to respect women…spoke to strangers,women from other ‘tribes’ …taught equality…up till then Women were kept down as only for breeding and entertainment…it was Jesus that said enough of that nonsense. The various orders of Sisters and Nuns are HIs legacy…Teaching,help to the needy,builders of hospitals etc etc…My mother came to America from southern Italy, she could read and write Italian and thus for some 30 years she read then answered mail from the old country to fellow Italians in my village…for all of those years she knew the gossip ,news good and bad of all of those families and her reptuation was immaculate…and thus I learned that gossip and slander were anathema…my mom…I hope to again see her,she will make me a large dish of sauce and pasta and give me that warm smile…as only she had…

 

[water]

I see. I am just mindful of what he writes as he has become very pro-Roman Catholic. I spent 40 years in the RCC and have seen the same things he writes over and over again. He doesn’t really present any new information or anything I didn’t already hear in Catholic school over and over again.

PEACE and GOD Bless Water

You surely spent lots of time there. I have just started to discovered the faith in the last 2 years. It’s been a short but awesome journey!

Thanks for the kind responses and God bless you too, NDFan.

 

[JoeyWarren]

Sandusky said: That’s one of many opinions concerning what Jesus meant in the text.

And why should anyone believe your opinion?

 

[Benadam]

The Bible doesn’t state trinity as a word but the elements are clearly there when we read God the Father, Jesus and the Father are one in the same, and the Spirit of GOD. I questioned the trinity doctrine until I read scripture. But the elements of Mary being the new Eve are not there. It’s a connection made to Genesis 3:15 which is a copy error made after Jerome used the word Ipsa instead of Ipsum. The original hebrew scrolls contained “it” shall crush the head of the serpent using a masculine pronoun. Jerome used Ipsa which can mean it, he or she in the Vulgate. The Septuagint wrote correctly HE, but a copyist made an error when translating the Vulgate to English and wrote She.

The bottom line and getting back to the original question of the post is did Jesus disrespect Mary by calling her woman? The answer is emphatically no as calling a woman “Woman” at that time was a sign of great respect. It has nothing at all to do with prophecy.

Plenty of elements there. Like Adam saying in the presence of Eve;" bone of my bone flesh of my flesh" Jesus and Mary also share this element of unity. In regards of the prophecy in Genesis the important element is that a pagan symbol for eternity is anthropamorphised through a mother and offspring. Who’s foot is crushing the head means little compared to the woman as a new archetype as indicated by the dragons head. There are many other subtle indications as well.

Woman as common usage doesn’t exclude it from also having a deeper meaning…

 

[LilyM]

The Bible doesn’t state trinity as a word but the elements are clearly there when we read God the Father, Jesus and the Father are one in the same, and the Spirit of GOD. I questioned the trinity doctrine until I read scripture. But the elements of Mary being the new Eve are not there. It’s a connection made to Genesis 3:15 which is a copy error made after Jerome used the word Ipsa instead of Ipsum. The original hebrew scrolls contained “it” shall crush the head of the serpent using a masculine pronoun. Jerome used Ipsa which can mean it, he or she in the Vulgate. The Septuagint wrote correctly HE, but a copyist made an error when translating the Vulgate to English and wrote She.

The bottom line and getting back to the original question of the post is did Jesus disrespect Mary by calling her woman? The answer is emphatically no as calling a woman “Woman” at that time was a sign of great respect. It has nothing at all to do with prophecy.

The Bible doesn’t state Trinity as a word? You mean there isn’t a chapter and verse you can point us to? Yet you expect us to point to chapter and verse?

Allow me to oblige - ‘honour thy father AND MOTHER’ Jesus, being perfect in His obedience to the commandments, surely kept this one as well. He honoured Mary, treating her as different from all other people who He was NOT commanded to honour.

 

[Eden]

This is incorrect. Mary is not the woman in Genesis 3 as this was flat out a copy error. Jesus refers to HIS mother as woman because that was how women were addressed at that time. Referring to a woman as “woman” was a sign of respect. We view it as a sign of disrespect but it was natural to call your mother “woman” similar to how we call our mothers today “Mom”.

Mary IS the woman in Genesis 3:15. The error is in the question of who will crush the serpent. The woman or the seed. The correct translation is the seed (Jesus).

See here: catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9709chap.asp

 

[Eden]

Please show me chapter and verse where Mary is called that.

In Galatians 4:4–5 Paul says, “When the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.” Why would Paul think it necessary to emphasize that God’s Son was “born of woman”? On a purely physical level, it is obvious that any man is born from a woman. But Paul is saying something deeper. By speaking of the woman, he is alluding to Genesis 3:15, which says, “I will put enmity between you [the serpent] and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” The woman in Genesis 3:15 is clearly Eve, and Paul is drawing a parallel between Eve and the woman from whom God’s Son was born.

In the first place, the text could be translated “from the woman,” even though it lacks the definite article. Greek does not always require the article when it is referring to a specific person. More importantly, Paul emphasizes that Christ came from the woman to show that “we might receive adoption as sons.” In Adam and Eve, the human race lost its sonship, and part of Christ’s mission was to restore that filial relationship with the Father. By saying that Christ was born “from the woman,” Paul is linking both the Son and the woman with Adam and Eve. Christ the Son is obviously linked to Adam. The only woman who could be linked with Eve is Mary. So, Paul is saying that Mary participated in the Redemption by giving birth to Jesus in the opposite but parallel way that Eve participated in the Fall of man into sin.

catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0312sbs.asp