What did Jesus mean when he said He would not drink of the vine?

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“Truly I say to you, I will never again drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”-what did he mean?
 
I think He meant he would not drink wine with with them again until after His resurrection. Jesus knew the his crucifixion was very near. It’s an indication that something is about to change. The resurrection fundamentally changed the world order–it destroyed death, and conquered sin forever. It is also a reassurance for His disciples that he will not be dead forever. They’re about to see him die, and He’s telling them that doesn’t mean the end. His death is making all things new, and He will be back to celebrate the Eucharist with them, but they are headed for a few very dark days.
 
U can listen to Scott hahn’s teaching on this. First of all, he was celebrating the jewish passover which required to Drink 4 cups. Like the cup of blessing,the kadush cup… but notice when Jesus was celebrating this, he took all 3 cups, but when he got to the fourth cup, he said that he will not drink it until hile drink It new In the kingdom. So then Jesus and his disciples went to the garden of gathsemene. There when jesus prayed to his father, he said “let this cup pass from me, not as I will but thou wilt.” Jesus is talking about the fourth and last cup that he just skipped at the passover. This may be the cup of suffering. When Jesus was taken from there to trial and all the way to crucifixion, he did not eat or drink anything.
Then on the cross, what did he say? He said “I thirst.” Then they gave him sour wine on a sponge on a hissa branch. And st. John tells us that Jesus drank the sour wine. Simple as that. Why did jesus waited until this time to say that he was Thirsty? because Jesus hour of glory has now come through the redemption. Of humankind by The cross. The glory that will let many see that truly this was the son of God!
 
I think you are correct that the “drink it new in the kingdom” points to the Resurrection - the kingdom begins at the Crucifixion, when the new age begins. But -

None of the gospels specify a number of cups that Jesus drank or did not drink at the Last Supper. All three synoptics say that He “took a cup.” Luke’s version suggests that two cups were involved, one during the meal over which He said “I will not drink again until I drink it with you in the kingdom” and another which He said “this cup is the new covenant.” We know that the third cup at the Seder is the cup of Blessing, and the fourth cup at the Seder is the Cup of the Covenant, which commemorates the Sinai covenant, which was confirmed when the people accepted the Law and Moses sprinkled them with the blood of the sacrifce. So the cup of the Covenant became the Cup of the New Covenant. (Paul’s account of the Last Supper refers to this as the cup “at the end of the meal” - worth noting that in the modern seder there is a fifth cup, the cup of Elijah, but that was not practiced at the time of Jesus.)

Scott Hahn’s explication is very thoughtful and useful but is not de fide. (I’m not disputing or confirming his conclusions, I just think it’s important for us to recognize the difference between teaching and the promulgation of doctrines. . . .
 
Jesus was a Jew…he was brought up as a Jew, worshipped as a Jew, celebrated their feasts as a Jew etc. They were in the room to celebrate the Passover…which is celebrated with the four cups of wine according to the Jewish custom. In my opinion, the Bible does not have to name each cup that was drunk during this feast as the people hearing it at that time would know that they would be celebrating with the 4 cups of wine.
 
mskejj said:
Jesus was a Jew…he was brought up as a Jew, worshipped as a Jew, celebrated their feasts as a Jew etc. They were in the room to celebrate the Passover…which is celebrated with the four cups of wine according to the Jewish custom. In my opinion, the Bible does not have to name each cup that was drunk during this feast as the people hearing it at that time would know that they would be celebrating with the 4 cups of wine.
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I agree. What I am cautioning is that we cannot prove from the text which Cup Jesus was holding when He said “this is My Blood.”
 
When we see jesus in the upper room we are actually coming in to the part of the passover meal where the “Cup of the Redemption” is being drank. The four cups signify the jewish exodus from egypt. These jewish passover requirements came over thousands of years from the time of the actual exodus to the time of jesus. To this day jews are required to drink 4 cups of wine at passover in their Seder meal. I would go to the Scott Hahn link or Watch this video www.the4thcup.com. It is pretty long but it is the best explanation of this topic. It goes a long way into answering the OP’s question. god bless

P.S. It is obvious that he was drinking from the third cup when he said “This is my Blood”, he was establishing a new covenant. The final cup he drank on the cross was the “Cup of Consummation” after this he said it was finished. Watch the video and comment !!
 
peeteyg said:
When we see jesus in the upper room we are actually coming in to the part of the passover meal where the “Cup of the Redemption” is being drank. The four cups signify the jewish exodus from egypt. These jewish passover requirements came over thousands of years from the time of the actual exodus to the time of jesus. To this day jews are required to drink 4 cups of wine at passover in their Seder meal. I would go to the Scott Hahn link or Watch this video www.the4thcup.com. It is pretty long but it is the best explanation of this topic. It goes a long way into answering the OP’s question. god bless

P.S. It is obvious that he was drinking from the third cup when he said “This is my Blood”, he was establishing a new covenant. The final cup he drank on the cross was the “Cup of Consummation” after this he said it was finished. Watch the video and comment !!
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I’ve commented on The Fourth Cup before. I find it very interesting and thought-provoking. I am not entirely convinced but I do think it is a very worthwhile study. It is, obviously, not “the teaching of the Church” - we are free to accept it, consider it or reject it.
 
I believe He meant that He will not ‘enjoy the world’ or be with them until the Resurrection. They drank wine when they celebrated; a wedding for example (a more precise example is the wedding of Cana). Since it was for celebrating, there was nothing more to celebrate, or at least nothing more Jesus could celebrate at that moment. He would not enter that state of rejoice or celebration until the celebration of the resurrection.

This is my opinion.
 
The moment he drank the final drink of wine he gave up his spirit to be in the kingdom. This is consistent with the 4 cups. This is not something that we are making up, I read it is taught to catholic priests in the seminary. Maybe a catholic priest is among this group and can comment on this topic. Another example that is in the video is that jesus says “Father, father why have you forsaken me?” I always wondered why he said this and have heard many explanations. It turns out that he was actually saying the beginning passage in Psalm 22, which is a prophecy of the messiah. There is an unbelievable depth to the scriptures, and we all seek to understand it. Read Psalm 22 and contemplate what I have said. God Bless !
 
peeteyg said:
The moment he drank the final drink of wine he gave up his spirit to be in the kingdom. This is consistent with the 4 cups. This is not something that we are making up, I read it is taught to catholic priests in the seminary. Maybe a catholic priest is among this group and can comment on this topic. Another example that is in the video is that jesus says “Father, father why have you forsaken me?” I always wondered why he said this and have heard many explanations. It turns out that he was actually saying the beginning passage in Psalm 22, which is a prophecy of the messiah. There is an unbelievable depth to the scriptures, and we all seek to understand it. Read Psalm 22 and contemplate what I have said. God Bless !
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I apologize for showing my ignorance, but what are the four cups?

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Go to www.the4thcup.com and watch the video. It is kinda long but it is totally catholic and has enormous insight. I’d like to engage in a conversation with anyone who watches it. I found it totally moving and insightful.
 
Matt 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

This passage is problematic because no prophetic statement can be found (using modern hermeneutics) that Jesus should be called a Nazarene.

However, using a first century hermeneutic:

The vow to not drink wine is suggestive of the Nazarite vow. There are others suggestions we should counsider:
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1. The meaning of the word Nazarene suggests that Christ should be called a "Nazarite." 
2. Jesus filfilled the Nazarite law if you consider the law a prophetic shadow.
3. Samson as a shadow of Christ prophecies that he should be a Nazarite.
** Law of the Nazarite**

Elements that are suggestive:
Numbers 6:2

…When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD: 3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
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Jesus took the vow at the last supper when he said he would not drink again until...
Numbers 6:5

All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.

1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
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Long hair was just a shadow of bearing our shame. Jesus bore our shame on the cross
Numbers 6:6

All the days that he separateth himself unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body.
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Jesus, during the time of his separation (in the grave) was not in contact with a dead body since it was an unused grave. Now you know why this was important.
Numbers 6:8

All the days of his separation he is holy unto the LORD.
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All the days Jesus was separated from the Father were Holy. Though he was made sin for us, he had no culpability.
Numbers 6:9

And if any man die very suddenly by him, and he hath defiled the head of his consecration; then he shall shave his head in the day of his cleansing, on the seventh day shall he shave it.
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The shaving of hair is losing ones covering for authority. As the Father forsook Christ on the cross, Jesus head was "shaved". And he was in the grave on the seventh day.
Numbers 6:10
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And on the eighth day he shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons, to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: 
11 And the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, and make an atonement for him, for that he sinned by the dead, and shall hallow his head that same day. 
12 And he shall consecrate unto the LORD the days of his separation, and shall bring a lamb of the first year for a trespass offering: but the days that were before shall be lost, because his separation was defiled. 
13 And this is the law of the Nazarite, when the days of his separation are fulfilled: he shall be brought unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: 
14 And he shall offer his offering unto the LORD, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings, 
15 And a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, and wafers of unleavened bread anointed with oil, and their meat offering, and their drink offerings. 
16 And the priest shall bring them before the LORD, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering: 
17 And he shall offer the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, with the basket of unleavened bread: the priest shall offer also his meat offering, and his drink offering. 
18 And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put it in the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offerings. 
19 And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them upon the hands of the Nazarite, after the hair of his separation is shaven: 
20 And the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: ... 

Certainly all of the sacrifices were shadows of Christ.
Numbers 6: 20
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...and after that the Nazarite may drink wine. 

After his resurrection, Jesus could drink again with the disciples. Christ had pronounced "It is finished" on the cross which declared the successful completion of all his works, including the fulfilling of the Nazarite vow.
 
peeteyg said:
Go to www.the4thcup.com and watch the video. It is kinda long but it is totally catholic and has enormous insight. I’d like to engage in a conversation with anyone who watches it. I found it totally moving and insightful.
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Peetey:

I’d much rather hear your explanation.
 
Cristian_B said:
I believe He meant that He will not ‘enjoy the world’ or be with them until the Resurrection. They drank wine when they celebrated; a wedding for example (a more precise example is the wedding of Cana). Since it was for celebrating, there was nothing more to celebrate, or at least nothing more Jesus could celebrate at that moment. He would not enter that state of rejoice or celebration until the celebration of the resurrection.

This is my opinion.
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I think this is incorrect. The Jews drank wine with every meal, for it was the only way to insure safe drinking, unless they were near a well. There weren’t many fresh water wells in Jerusalem.

So I can’t see how a Jew would equate wine-drinking with celebration.
 
This is one of those rare cases where I think bible scholars may be overthinking. But, I will probably come to find, it is I who am underthinking it. I have always just taken it at face value. That he was just telling his Apostles that it was over, essentially. That he would not have another glass of wine with them again until he meets back up with them in Heaven. In other words, this was his last repast with his beloved companions before their reunion in paradise. That he would be betrayed, arrested, tortured, denied, humiliated, killed, and ressurected just shortly. It was kind of the theme of the evening. Too simple probably. Fire away.
 
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