What did Muhammad prophecy?

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I have always understood the word “prophet” to mean someone to whom some future event has been revealed by God, and who must proclaim this in order to warn the people of what is to come. That being said, I am wondering, what future events did Muhammad prophecy and did they come true?
 
CompSciGuy said:
Hi,

I have always understood the word “prophet” to mean someone to whom some future event has been revealed by God, and who must proclaim this in order to warn the people of what is to come. That being said, I am wondering, what future events did Muhammad prophecy and did they come true?
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That’s a common misuse of the word prophet–that they foretell the future. A prophet is “one who speaks on behalf of God” or one who acts as a voice (so to speak) for God. Yes, may prophets speak about the future if that’s the message God wants to convey. But prophecy can be about future, present, or even past. For example, Christ in His role as Prophet often spoke about the Old Testament–explaining the Scriptures to people. That was a form of prophecy because He was speaking God’s message.

A true prophet is one who truly speaks God’s message. A false prophet is one who speaks a message that is not God’s.

Sometimes a false prophet’s message might even come true, but this is because of coincidence, not because the message itself comes from God.

Muhammad was not a true prophet.
 
Muhammed is one of many historical figures that claimed individual revelation and developed a complete religion out of it. Unfortunately, there were no affirming miracles surrounding this event. This means God was not part of the revelation. Miracles are a definitive sign that God is involved.

The next conclusion is to declare, Muhammed was not given revelation to prophecy at all. He therefore is not a prophet at all.
 
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what future events did Muhammad prophecy and did they come true?
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None, but some Muslims might tell you that there is a prophecy in Quran 30 regarding the Roman Empire/Persians wars, but that is an ambiguous one since the commentaries in Arabic are totally split upon the meaning of those verses.
 
CompSciGuy said:
Hi,

I have always understood the word “prophet” to mean someone to whom some future event has been revealed by God, and who must proclaim this in order to warn the people of what is to come. That being said, I am wondering, what future events did Muhammad prophecy and did they come true?
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There are no true miracles or prophecies surrounding Mohammad’s self proclaimed prophethood.

A funny side note-Muslims have been tryinh desparately to find Mohammad mentioned in the Holy Bible. They can’t. Mohammad is just not there.

BUT they have to because of the Quranic verses below which point to of all people, Jesus!!

7.157 “Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.”

Mohammad seems like a nut then when he makes the claim:
7.158 Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided.”
 
Samuel63 said:
Muhammed is one of many historical figures that claimed individual revelation and developed a complete religion out of it. Unfortunately, there were no affirming miracles surrounding this event. This means God was not part of the revelation. Miracles are a definitive sign that God is involved.

The next conclusion is to declare, Muhammed was not given revelation to prophecy at all. He therefore is not a prophet at all.
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Cool isn’t it! Not only miracles but multiple eyewitnesses to the miracles!
 
CompSciGuy said:
Hi,

I have always understood the word “prophet” to mean someone to whom some future event has been revealed by God, and who must proclaim this in order to warn the people of what is to come. That being said, I am wondering, what future events did Muhammad prophecy and did they come true?
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Muhammad (pbuh) was the seal of the Prophets and he probably made more prophecies than any other prophet.

read this article about his prophecies

answering-christianity.com/prophecies_muh.htm
 
CompSciGuy said:
Hi,

I have always understood the word “prophet” to mean someone to whom some future event has been revealed by God, and who must proclaim this in order to warn the people of what is to come. That being said, I am wondering, what future events did Muhammad prophecy and did they come true?
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One prophesy of muhammed is kind of Tolkien-esque, in the same way the Ents came to the aid of the Followship, trees will come to the aid of the muslims. Oy vey talking trees who would think such a thing.
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)
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John_Paul_Jones said:
One prophesy of muhammed is kind of Tolkien-esque, in the same way the Ents came to the aid of the Followship, trees will come to the aid of the muslims. Oy vey talking trees who would think such a thing.
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)
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http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif None sense !

Why the Muslims have to kill the Jews!, because of their religion or because of Palestine !!!

And why those trees will not say the same thing for atheists, at lease the Jews know GOD…
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Didn’t Muhammad in the Hadith make a prophecy that Constantinople would fall to the Muslims, and that soon after, Rome would follow?
 
FabiusMaximus said:
Didn’t Muhammad in the Hadith make a prophecy that Constantinople would fall to the Muslims, and that soon after, Rome would follow?
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the hadith didn’t mention if it was soon after or not

Jabir bin Samurah narrated, "Nafi’ bin ‘Utbah said, ‘We were accompanying the Messenger of Allah (p.b.u.h.) to a battle.’ Then, he (Nafi’) said, ‘Then, some people from the west (of Madinah) came to the Prophet wearing clothes made of wool and they met him next to a mound. They were standing while the Messenger of Allah was sitting.’ He (Nafi’) then said, ‘So I told myself, “Let me come closer to them and stand between them and him so that they will not assassinate him.” He (Nafi’) then said, ‘(Then, I said to myself) “They may be having a conversation with him.” However, I came close by and stood between them and him.’ He (Nafi’) then said, 'And then I memorized four sentences from him, and I can count them with my hand. He said,

“You will invade the Arabian Peninsula and Allah will grant it (to you). Then (you will conquer) Persia and Allah will grant it (to you). Then, you will invade Ar-Rum and Allah will grant it (to you). Then, you will invade The Dajjal and Allah will grant him (to you).” Nafi’ said to Jabir, “O Jabir! We do not believe that the Dajjal will appear until Ar-Rum is conquered.” (Ibid., no. 2028)

-Imam Ahmad narrated that Abdullah Bin Amr Bin Al-Aas said, "While we were around the Messenger of Allah) writing (the Hadith) the Messenger of Allah (p.b.u.h.) was asked/ ‘Which of these two cities will be conquered first, Constantinople or Romiyah (Rome)?’ He said, ‘The city of Heracles will first be conquered.’ He meant Constantinople.’’ (Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak, vol. 4, p. 508. Also, see As-Silsilah as-Sahihah, vol. 1)

the perophcey about rome didn’t come yet , according to hadith it will come true before the appearance of anti_christ ( Al-Dajal)
 
Prophet Mohammad PBUH prophecised the second coming of christ. A companion of The Holy Prophet sa relates: One day we were sitting with The Holy Prophet sa when this chapter was revealed. I enquired from Muhammad sa. Who are the people to whom the words and among others of them who have not yet joined them refer? Salman ra, a Persian was sitting among us. The Holy Prophet sa put his hand on Salman ra and said.If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from among these would surely find it. (Bukhari).

Sidenote, Jesus had prophecised the coming of Mohammad.
 
Prophet Mohammad PBUH prophecised the second coming of christ.
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Yes, well, too bad St. John of Patmos did the same thing 600 years prior! You’re going to have to do better than that.

Islam, while it has some commendable features (together with much grave error) is in the end an empty religion because it lacks grace, it lacks salvation, it lacks redemption. More importantly it lacks the mediator between God and man. All Muhammad offers us is yet another law, but man cannot be saved through law, but only by the grace offered to us by Jesus Christ and his sacrifice on the cross.
 
I am confused as to what you mean by Im going to have to do better than that, would you like me to provide you with an eye witness account of him saying that as in a source?

Anyways I would like to enlighten you with a perspective of Islam you might not be familiar with. One that coincides with values that are associated with grace, redemption basically all of the above. I am in total understanding with the frustration a person might have with the religion of Islam at this point in time or rather the misrepresentation of Islam. Muslims do believe in the great teachings provided by Jesus Christ and love him just as much. The relationship with God that Islam teaches is one of great satisfaction. The way a Muslim relates to the entity of God is eerily similar to the way a Christian would recognise the presence of God. The only disjunct that our beliefs have is that Jesus is only the spiritual Son of God rather than the physical and that he did not die on the cross but was saved by God because that is how much God loved him and needed him to spend the rest of his life preaching to the rest of the world towards the east. There is a lot you might be disqualifying yourself from about the wonderful tasks Jesus Christ had accomplished in living out his life and travelling and preaching and sharing and finally completing his mission from God to find the lost ten tribes of Israel and save them. Jesus Christ was more useful alive and well and teaching rather than "sacrifice his life’ to absolve people from sin. Jesus Christ was saved in a miraculous manner and healed enough to escape the city of Jerusalem from persecution and instead go towards the rest of the world and spread the message only a man of his personality could accomplish. Islam believes in all the prophets before Mohammad. Arabia needed the prophet Mohammad in that time to stand up against the harsh and idolatrous way of life. Did you know that Mohammad freed slaves and denounced the practice of burying infant girls alive. This is of course not all that he did. But it is useful to study material or approach different beliefs not through your own lens but with an open heart and an open mind. Jesus Christ was too special a man to have descended in heaven at such an early age, God had other plans for him which he successfully completed. Thank you for your reply and I look forward to discussing this matter further with you!

PS I do not prescribe to the majority of Islam. I represent a minority sect and we get persecuted on a daily basis by major tenets of Islam, Sunnis in particular.
 
LUV4ALL said:
Prophet Mohammad PBUH prophecised the second coming of christ. A companion of The Holy Prophet sa relates: One day we were sitting with The Holy Prophet sa when this chapter was revealed. I enquired from Muhammad sa. Who are the people to whom the words and among others of them who have not yet joined them refer? Salman ra, a Persian was sitting among us. The Holy Prophet sa put his hand on Salman ra and said.If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from among these would surely find it. (Bukhari).

Sidenote, Jesus had prophecised the coming of Mohammad.
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Jesus did not prophecise about Mohammad. If you were to read the Bible for yourself you would see that.

Mohammad is never mentioned in the Bible which creates a dilemma for Muslims because of the following verse that is actually about Jesus:

7.157 “Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.”
 
LUV4ALL said:
…that he did not die on the cross but was saved by God because that is how much God loved him and needed him to spend the rest of his life preaching to the rest of the world towards the east. There is a lot you might be disqualifying yourself from about the wonderful tasks Jesus Christ had accomplished in living out his life and travelling and preaching and sharing and finally completing his mission from God to find the lost ten tribes of Israel and save them. Jesus Christ was more useful alive and well and teaching rather than "sacrifice his life’ to absolve people from sin. Jesus Christ was saved in a miraculous manner and healed enough to escape the city of Jerusalem from persecution and instead go towards the rest of the world and spread the message only a man of his personality could accomplish. Islam believes in all the prophets before Mohammad. Arabia needed the prophet Mohammad in that time to stand up against the harsh and idolatrous way of life. Did you know that Mohammad freed slaves and denounced the practice of burying infant girls alive. This is of course not all that he did. But it is useful to study material or approach different beliefs not through your own lens but with an open heart and an open mind. Jesus Christ was too special a man to have descended in heaven at such an early age, God had other plans for him which he successfully completed. Thank you for your reply and I look forward to discussing this matter further with you!

PS I do not prescribe to the majority of Islam. I represent a minority sect and we get persecuted on a daily basis by major tenets of Islam, Sunnis in particular.
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So allah pretended to crucify Jesus and fool precious Mary and all His diciples into thinking Jesus was crucified? What kind of cruel decietful allah is this?

When they saw Jesus ressurrected a new religion was started and now allah is saying that religion is false?

The Quran is extremely incomplete and lacking. Even by the Quran it can be proved that Jesus was crucified. Which is exactly why every Muslim should read and study the Bible. I understand though that in some places that is not possible. Why, because Islam can not stand up to the truth that is in the Bible.

LOL!! Mohammad stopped the practice of burying little girls so they could be married off!! Which is absolutely disgusting! Mohammad had slaves. Muslims have slaves today because of following in the footsteps of Mohammad.

People are not possesed unless they are slaves:
4.24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: …
23.6 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or whom their right hands possess,- for they are free from blame,
33.50 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;

Are you Ahmadiyya? Yes you are being persecuted. Islam is set up, the Quran is written is such a way that it is easy to **always find a Muslim **that is not Muslim enough.
 
About Muhammed’s prophecies, they sound more like dictates to accomplish something some day. They had a Muslim on tv a few years ago saying the Islamic world tried two times to overtake Rome, but the next time it will…

As Fr said, true prophecy is about how the ancient prophets spoke…warning people they were turning away from God and going into sin. When we sin against God and our neighbor, there are always bad consequences.

Making prophecies to overtake other people and destroy the vestiges of true religion is not the prophetic work of God. Wanting to take over, kill, plunder is the work of the Evil One. It is regressive and destructive and creates emnity among mankind. When people are enemies with one another, you have destruction, poverty, backwardness, and no peace.

True prophecy in true religion rather points always to the will of God, reflected in the 10 commandments and love of God and neighbor. We must all work for peace and understanding and learn to respect what is authentic teaching of one religion from another.

And that means, knowing what are the authentic teachings and history of Christianity, and not what a rival teaches you. Rivalry always sees itself as having less, and thus being in the position of envy and pride, never satisfied and not wanting to be educated so as to improve one’s condition. Jesus said about those servants given talents, one a little, another more, and yet another servant even more talents. The one who was given many talents used them well and multiplied them. The servant who was given a few talents did not use them and buried them, and Christ named th servant who did not use his talents as evil.
 
LUV4ALL said:
The only disjunct that our beliefs have is that Jesus is only the spiritual Son of God rather than the physical
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Luv4all, this is a common Muslim misconception.

Christian faith has never taught that Jesus was God’s physical son. If you knew christian doctrine or philosophy, you would realize how absurd the notion is to us. God is one pure Spirit. He has no physical properties. We believe that He’s one nature in three persons- The Son or Word is God’s self-knowledge or wisdom, the Holy Spirit, his self-love. There are different ways of expressing this truth, between eastern and western Christians, but we all believe that the trinity is God’s inner nature, How he is in himself, or his relations in himself alone, not how he is with others (creatures) and the three persons possess only one divine nature and are one pure infinite and irreducible spirit. The 2nd person (God the Son/Word/Divine Wisdom) took human nature from Mary’s womb as his own, so we say God became man or the Word became flesh; but he did not stop being who he was, and remained possessing at once the Divine nature from eternity. One Divine person with two natures. Only the human nature (body and soul) was physical, due to the body.

I suggest you navigate CAF regarding questions of the Christian concept of God as one being and his inner nature (Trinity) and about Jesus’ twofold nature, death, resurrection, you’ll find many posts explaining these things well, I’m sure. Muslims have got very poor understanding of Christian beliefs. I hope you can enlighten yourself on the realities of Christian beliefs.
 
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