What did the life and death of Christ accomplish?

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What did the life and death of Jesus Christ accomplish? What was his mission, and did he accomplish it?

Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. - 1 Tim 1:15
 
What did the life and death of Jesus Christ accomplish? What was his mission, and did he accomplish it?
It opened the door to the possibility of salvation for all mankind. Was it accomplished? Yes, Christ opened the door, now we must but choose to walk in. 😉
 
It opened the door to the possibility of salvation for all mankind. Was it accomplished? Yes, Christ opened the door, now we must but choose to walk in. 😉
If Jesus Christ lived and died to give all mankind an opportunity to be saved, why do most perish in Hell? Do you believe God is sovereign in saving sinners? How big is your God? Please look at the biblical text again. Did Christ come (God incarnate) to suffer and die only to give all mankind an opportunity to be saved but did not secure salvation for anyone? Or did Christ come to save the elect of God chosen before the foundation of the world? Did the disciples choose Jesus Christ? Did the Apostle Paul choose Christ? I believe God chose all the apostles according to the Scriptures.

Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. - 1 Tim 1:15
 
If Jesus Christ lived and died to give all mankind an opportunity to be saved, why do most perish in Hell?
Because they reject Him.
Do you believe God is sovereign in saving sinners?
Yes, he reveals Himself then it’s up to the person to follow.
How big is your God?
Bad question. There is one God. Do you know of others?
Please look at the biblical text again. Did Christ come (God incarnate) to suffer and die only to give all mankind an opportunity to be saved but did not secure salvation for anyone?
He secured salvation for those accept Him.
Or did Christ come to save the elect of God chosen before the foundation of the world?
The “elect” are those who believe and follow Him.
Did the disciples choose Jesus Christ? Did the Apostle Paul choose Christ? I believe God chose all the apostles according to the Scriptures.
God did choose the disciples who became Apostles. Do you think God chose the disciples from John 6? What do you think God’s example of choosing Judas was?
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. - 1 Tim 1:15
What we’ve been saying, God chose us and deserves full acceptance. What do you think happens to those who reject?
 
Because they reject Him.

Yes, he reveals Himself then it’s up to the person to follow.

Bad question. There is one God. Do you know of others?

He secured salvation for those accept Him.

The “elect” are those who believe and follow Him.

God did choose the disciples who became Apostles. Do you think God chose the disciples from John 6? What do you think God’s example of choosing Judas was?

What we’ve been saying, God chose us and deserves full acceptance. What do you think happens to those who reject?
So you are an Arminian Roman Catholic? Please look for the predestination thread and you will find that some Roman Catholics embrace predestination or even double predestination to the praise and glory of God.
 
So you are an Arminian Roman Catholic? Please look for the predestination thread and you will find that some Roman Catholics embrace predestination or even double predestination to the praise and glory of God.
You are going to twist anything a Catholic says. I have one question for you. Why do you have such a dislike of Catholicism?
 
You are going to twist anything a Catholic says. I have one question for you. Why do you have such a dislike of Catholicism?
LOL… The complete sovereignty of God will always cause the flesh to flair up in us, regardless of being Protestant or Roman Catholic. What do you think about Augustine’s work against Pelagius? Are you semi-pelagius in your ideas?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagians
 
LOL… The complete sovereignty of God will always cause the flesh to flair up in us, regardless of being Protestant or Roman Catholic. What do you think about Augustine’s work against Pelagius? Are you semi-pelagius in your ideas?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagians
You didn’t address my question, which is an answer in itself.

How does Pelagius apply to the topic of this thread or any of my answers in response to your questions?

I am sorry you feel the need to keep a divide up between people seeking God. I believe Christ wanted us to be unified so that we might possibly be perfectly one. What do you believe about that?
 
What did the life and death of Jesus Christ accomplish? What was his mission, and did he accomplish it?

Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. - 1 Tim 1:15
Jesus Christ, the God-man, was sent by the Father to redeem all people, that is, to buy them back from the guilt and punishment of sin. Jesus came to fulfill the law (Matthew 5:17) so that on the basis of his perfect obedience all people would be declared holy (Romans 5:18,19). He came to bear “the iniquity of us all” (Isaiah 53:6), ransoming all people by his sacrifice for sin on the altar of the cross (Matthew 20:28). We believe that he is the God-appointed substitute for all people. His righteousness, or perfect obedience, is accepted by the Father as our righteousness, his death for sin as our death for sin (2 Corinthians 5:21). We believe that his resurrection gives full assurance that God has accepted the payment he made for all (Romans 4:25).

We believe that God reconciled “the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them” (2 Corinthians 5:19). We believe that Jesus is “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29). The mercy and grace of God are all-embracing; the reconciliation through Christ is universal; the forgiveness of sins has been gained as an accomplished fact for all people. Because of the substitutionary work of Christ, God has justified all people, that is, God has declared them to be not guilty. This forms the firm, objective basis for the sinner’s assurance of salvation.
 
If Jesus Christ lived and died to give all mankind an opportunity to be saved, why do most perish in Hell?
I don’t know how many will go to Hell and how many will be in Heaven. That is above my pay grade. However, I can tell you that God does not wish for ANY to go to Hell. Those that have or will end up there have chosen that path by rejecting the gift of Salvation either by disbelieving or by disobedience to God.
Do you believe God is sovereign in saving sinners?
I believe that God is in control yes. I also believe that God allows mankind the ability to choose (free will). Therefore, I believe that God has provided mankind with a means toward Salvation (Jesus Christ); however, He will not force anyone to accept Him and live the life of a believer.
How big is your God?
There is only one God. For you to suggest that because I am Catholic, I worship a different God than you, is judgmental at best, and down right deceitful at worst. To answer your question, my God is big enough to create all things, big enough to destroy all things, existed (and still does) in the beginning, is present as you read this, and is currently standing at the doorway to the completion of time. Nothing, from my losing a single strand of hair, to a supernova somewhere far out in space escapes His attention. And yet, my God, is big enough, strong enough and compassionate enough to physically hang on a cross and die so that maybe, I might choose to spend eternity with Him.
Please look at the biblical text again. Did Christ come (God incarnate) to suffer and die only to give all mankind an opportunity to be saved but did not secure salvation for anyone? Or did Christ come to save the elect of God chosen before the foundation of the world?
There is a difference between predestined and predetermined. You almost seem to be saying that God created only a few to be with him in Heaven (they don’t have a choice) while creating the vast majority to burn in Hell (again they have no choice in the matter). Calvin was an idiot. This teaching goes directly against Scripture. We can debate it if you wish, but in the end, Calvin’s belief will run out of Scripture support long before the Truth on the matter. I would start by referring you to 2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance. (Douay-Rheims Bible)
Did the disciples choose Jesus Christ?
Actually, Christ invited the disciples and they then CHOSE to follow. However, just as Judas later CHOSE a different path which led to his destruction, God gives the rest of us free will as well.
Did the Apostle Paul choose Christ? I believe God chose all the apostles according to the Scriptures.
I believe that He did as well. Nevertheless, I’ll take it further and say that God did not take free will away from the Apostles and that they could have turned away from God and rejected His invitation to follow Him had they chosen to do so. If Calvin was correct, why was St. Paul worried about losing his salvation (I Cor 9:24-27)? Surely, he had to have known that he was among the “elect” as not everyone back then was struck blind by Christ and invited to be an Apostle.
 
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There is only one God. For you to suggest that because I am Catholic, I worship a different God than you, is judgmental at best, and down right deceitful at worst. To answer your question, my God is big enough to create all things, big enough to destroy all things, existed (and still does) in the beginning, is present as you read this, and is currently standing at the doorway to the completion of time. Nothing, from my losing a single strand of hair, to a supernova somewhere far out in space escapes His attention. And yet, my God, is big enough, strong enough and compassionate enough to physically hang on a cross and die so that maybe, I might choose to spend eternity with Him.
I like this.
There is a difference between predestined and predetermined. You almost seem to be saying that God created only a few to be with him in Heaven (they don’t have a choice) while creating the vast majority to burn in Hell (again they have no choice in the matter). Calvin was an idiot. This teaching goes directly against Scripture.
Come on, Tietjen, no kid gloves here. Tell us what you really think of Calvin. 😃
Actually, Christ invited the disciples and they then CHOSE to follow. However, just as Judas later CHOSE a different path which led to his destruction, **God gives the rest of us free will **as well.
Exactly. He frees us from the bondage of sin and the devil, and makes it possible for us to believe, by grace, since we cannot have faith on our own. The free will we have is to reject grace.
Both grace and free will are available to us all.

Jon
 
LOL… The complete sovereignty of God will always cause the flesh to flair up in us, regardless of being Protestant or Roman Catholic. What do you think about Augustine’s work against Pelagius? Are you semi-pelagius in your ideas?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagians
Reformed, my dear brother. When you laugh out loud at someone who simply asked you a question, it suggests either that you think more highly of yourself than the mere mortal you are having a discussion with or that you are unable or unwilling to answer the question posed. That, brother is simply my observation and really not very important within this thread.

In the spirit of “staying on topic,” I will however offer you this web link. I have noticed that you enjoy throwing around the beliefs of St. Augustine and thought that you might like this short essay concerning his predestination belief. See, here’s the thing. Just because you use an Early Church Father’s flawed belief, doesn’t in any way cause Catholics to question the Church. Last time I checked, Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium were the only authorities that determined Spiritual Truth. Nowhere have I found St. Augustine’s name included in that list. Psst… Want to know a secret? Don’t tell anyone but… the Early Church Fathers sinned too.
 
You didn’t address my question, which is an answer in itself.

How does Pelagius apply to the topic of this thread or any of my answers in response to your questions?

I am sorry you feel the need to keep a divide up between people seeking God. I believe Christ wanted us to be unified so that we might possibly be perfectly one. What do you believe about that?
If you don’t think the battle between Pelagius and Augustine is related to what Christ accomplished in His life and death, then maybe you should ask your local Roman Catholic theologian. 🙂
 
You didn’t address my question, which is an answer in itself.

How does Pelagius apply to the topic of this thread or any of my answers in response to your questions?

I am sorry you feel the need to keep a divide up between people seeking God. I believe Christ wanted us to be unified so that we might possibly be perfectly one. What do you believe about that?
John 17:17, and the women at the well is my answer to your question. Unity in the truth is pleasing to God.

John 17:17
Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.

16 Jesus said to her, “Go, call your husband, and come here.” 17 The woman answered him, “I have no husband.” Jesus said to her, “You are right in saying, ‘I have no husband’; 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have said is true.” 19 The woman said to him, “Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” 26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.” - John 4
 
Jesus Christ, the God-man…
That was a great summary of what Christ came to accomplish. I believe the work of Christ is both exclusive and universal in nature. Christ came to save those chosen before the foundation of the world which includes individuals from all tongue, tribe, and nations…let the nations be glad in Christ!

I Am the Bread of Life
22 On the next day the crowd that remained on the other side of the sea saw that there had been only one boat there, and that Jesus had not entered the boat with his disciples, but that his disciples had gone away alone. 23 Other boats from Tiberias came near the place where they had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks. 24 So when the crowd saw that Jesus was not there, nor his disciples, they themselves got into the boats and went to Capernaum, seeking Jesus.

25 When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you come here?” 26 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. 27 Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” 28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 30 So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” 32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”

35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread [3] the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 Jesus [4] said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum.

60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the Twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” 70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” 71 He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the Twelve, was going to betray him.
  • John 6
 
I have to ask. Perhaps you’ll answer or perhaps you’ll ignore me. I hope that you will answer though as it might help some here to better understand who and what you are.

How many points of the TULIP formula do you subscribe to?

(T)otal depravity
(U)nconditional election - we know you subscribe to this one.
(L)imited atonement
(I)rresistible grace
(P)erseverance of the saints

Total depravity - Do you believe that man is incapable of doing anything that pleases God? We cannot even love Him?

What about limited atonement? Do you believe, as many Calvinists do, that Christ only died for the “elect” and not for all?

On the point of irresistible grace, do you believe that if God chooses to save an individual, that person has no ability to refuse God’s salvation?

Then what about the perseverance of the saints? Do you believe that it is impossible for God’s chosen (elect) to lose their salvation? In other words, a cousin to the “once saved always saved” mentality.
 
I have to ask. Perhaps you’ll answer or perhaps you’ll ignore me. I hope that you will answer though as it might help some here to better understand who and what you are.

How many points of the TULIP formula do you subscribe to?

(T)otal depravity
(U)nconditional election - we know you subscribe to this one.
(L)imited atonement
(I)rresistible grace
(P)erseverance of the saints

Total depravity - Do you believe that man is incapable of doing anything that pleases God? We cannot even love Him?

What about limited atonement? Do you believe, as many Calvinists do, that Christ only died for the “elect” and not for all?

On the point of irresistible grace, do you believe that if God chooses to save an individual, that person has no ability to refuse God’s salvation?

Then what about the perseverance of the saints? Do you believe that it is impossible for God’s chosen (elect) to lose their salvation? In other words, a cousin to the “once saved always saved” mentality.
I do embrace all 5 points as biblical truth. I’m not sure if your excellent questions represent what 5 point Calvinists actually believes. I don’t think someone needs to embrace 5 points of Calvinisms to be saved, nor do they need to embrace election and predestination to be saved. I’ll start a 5 points thread so we can discuss them better.
 
I remember being lost in the 5 points, God rescued me and now I’m Catholic
 
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